Towel Boy Basketball Returns! - Page 8

rjolley · 10-23-2007, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

I only recruited one guy.

That's a great strategy. You should..ummm..only recruit one. That's all you'll ever need.

MikeVic · 10-23-2007, 09:57 AM

Yeah, I'm going to get rid of all my recruiting offers too and follow lordscarlet's strategy. I'll start my getting rid of the one on Randy Dexter, and I suggest you all follow suit. This seems like a fool-proof strategy.

rjolley · 10-23-2007, 10:04 AM

Ok, I checked out this Randy Dexter fellow. He looks like a good player. Thanks for the tip.

MikeVic · 10-23-2007, 10:06 AM

Hey that's not funny.

rjolley · 10-23-2007, 10:09 AM

Sure it is. I told Randy and his family about it over dinner on the school jet on our way to Chicago so he could play pickup with the Bulls. We all had a big laugh over it...reminded me of Doctor Evil and his henchmen in Austin Powers.

MikeVic · 10-23-2007, 10:10 AM

That's it... I better send over a nice gift basket of chocolates to counter this action!

Coffee Warlord · 10-23-2007, 10:13 AM

Randy prefers the warmth of the Coachella Valley, thank you.

Especially the warmth of the hot California women we put underneath him.

MikeVic · 10-23-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Randy prefers the warmth of the Coachella Valley, thank you.

Especially the warmth of the hot California women we put underneath him.

Hey man, you forget I'm in Beverly Hills!

Coffee Warlord · 10-23-2007, 10:24 AM

We piss on Beverly Hills here in Palm Springs.

MikeVic · 10-23-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

We piss on Beverly Hills here in Palm Springs.

I don't know where that is in relation to Beverly Hills, or where Beverly Hills even is... but I say we deflect that piss and let it drain into the Pacific Ocean.

chesapeake · 10-23-2007, 10:31 AM

Randy was ecstatic about coming to the University of Falls Church as well. I think he's planning to drive his new Porsche to our campus shortly.

MikeVic · 10-23-2007, 10:35 AM

Looks like I'll just have to win him with some good old-fashioned legit recruiting then!

vex · 10-23-2007, 12:51 PM

Oh, it's all legit at OU with Will Brown at the helm.

BishopMVP · 10-23-2007, 01:56 PM

Hmmm.... Dexter is Highly Positive for me and Jang down at Somewhat Interested. Do certain recruits have higher baseline interests in teams than others? And do we ever find out their secondary preferences as the recruiting weeks go by?

Mr. Wednesday · 10-23-2007, 02:05 PM

I don't need a PF, but I'm almost tempted to start recruiting Dexter anyway.

rjolley · 10-23-2007, 02:19 PM

Hey, stay away from my stolen PF.

vex · 10-23-2007, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I don't need a PF, but I'm almost tempted to start recruiting Dexter anyway.

Back up or your batracing season is over!

Coffee Warlord · 10-23-2007, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Hmmm.... Dexter is Highly Positive for me and Jang down at Somewhat Interested. Do certain recruits have higher baseline interests in teams than others? And do we ever find out their secondary preferences as the recruiting weeks go by?

No and No.

That said, it's easier to hit certain interests than others. And thusly easier to heavily miss certain interestes.

Coffee Warlord · 10-24-2007, 10:01 AM

Friendly reminder of games tonight!

Coffee Warlord · 10-24-2007, 10:03 PM

Palm Springs moves to 2-0. Booyah!

k0ruptr · 10-24-2007, 10:04 PM

sweet ass, Honolulu moves to 2-0 as well.

Mr. Wednesday · 10-24-2007, 11:56 PM

First win for NU! Granted, it was against an ironman lineup...

TargetPractice6 · 10-25-2007, 12:56 AM

My Nuggets move to 2-0 on the back of the nation's leading scorer, Jochen Baker.

Tasan · 10-25-2007, 12:58 AM

2-0!

I love my PG. Too bad he's a senior...

korme · 10-25-2007, 01:07 AM

Falck drops 35 in a dominant 90-66 Waffle House victory!

wade moore · 10-25-2007, 04:31 AM

Blah, I lose to my hated rival LS...

I wish I had watched the pbp last game, I didn't realize my guys were all exhausted when they get pulled.. but it seems like they're exhausted even if they play 5 minutes?

Coffee Warlord · 10-25-2007, 08:11 AM

Don't read too much into the fatigue blurb. I need to go back and tweak the verbage a little.

lordscarlet · 10-25-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Blah, I lose to my hated rival LS...

I wish I had watched the pbp last game, I didn't realize my guys were all exhausted when they get pulled.. but it seems like they're exhausted even if they play 5 minutes?

It wasn't in the PBP last time.

I have to check my endurance levels -- haven't watched the PBP yet. However, I'm very happy with this win. HRU's one-dimensional offense could not handle the Run-and-Shoot of our hometown Stars!

wade moore · 10-25-2007, 08:25 AM

I'm having a difficult time deciding what offense to use when my SG and my C are clearly my best players. I've used the Inside Post the last two games and my C does very well, but my SG gets very little opportunity..

Hrmm..

rjolley · 10-25-2007, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

I'm having a difficult time deciding what offense to use when my SG and my C are clearly my best players. I've used the Inside Post the last two games and my C does very well, but my SG gets very little opportunity..

Hrmm..

Yeah, I'm having the same problem. I ran Low Post the first game and my guards didn't shoot much. Ran Perimeter this game and my big men didn't shoot much. Might try Screen sometime soon to see if that's a good mix.

Coffee Warlord · 10-25-2007, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

I'm having a difficult time deciding what offense to use when my SG and my C are clearly my best players. I've used the Inside Post the last two games and my C does very well, but my SG gets very little opportunity..

Hrmm..

I'm in the exact same boat as you. Thinking on ways to make those two offenses a little less one-dimensional.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-25-2007, 08:37 AM

Same problem here. I'm running the low post since my PF and C are my best players, but I also have a good SF. My PF and C are taking 80% or more of the shots between them and my guards are hardly shooting. Oh yeah, we lost to S.U.C.K

wade moore · 10-25-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I'm in the exact same boat as you. Thinking on ways to make those two offenses a little less one-dimensional.

This would be a total shift in what you're doing, but..

Could there be maybe a setting where you set your positions in order of preference for the offense to go through or something?

Idano, thinking outloud.

Coffee Warlord · 10-25-2007, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

This would be a total shift in what you're doing, but..

Could there be maybe a setting where you set your positions in order of preference for the offense to go through or something?

Idano, thinking outloud.

You know...that might actually work better than you'd think. That's quite close to how the engine translates who gets the ball in the first place.

lordscarlet · 10-25-2007, 08:51 AM

The run and shoot appears to give looks to everyone but the center...

Anthony · 10-25-2007, 08:54 AM

or maybe you can make it so that if you have Low Post, your C/PF are the ones who get the ball first. if nothing is there your PG or whomever else then will look for their shot. vice versa for Perimeter, where your guards will look to shoot first, if nothing's there or if they're double teamed they dump it into the post.

Coffee Warlord · 10-25-2007, 08:55 AM

The problem really lies in just how much focus the "target" players are given in each offense. As it stands, it's just really, really likely that the key players will get the ball, that the other guys aren't getting enough looks. The math is really preventing things.

rjolley · 10-25-2007, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

or maybe you can make it so that if you have Low Post, your C/PF are the ones who get the ball first. if nothing is there your PG or whomever else then will look for their shot. vice versa for Perimeter, where your guards will look to shoot first, if nothing's there or if they're double teamed they dump it into the post.

This is how I thought the offenses would work, at least the Low Post offense.

At least, it's how it works in real life.

Coffee Warlord · 10-25-2007, 09:14 AM

It's supposed to work like that. Obviously not as well as I'd like.

So, I can go about tweaking this 1 of 2 ways, and I'd like to gauge opinions.

1) Simply mess with the percentages in the code. I'm figuring with some tweaks to the numbers, this issue could be improved.

2) Add a new item to the lineups page that allows you to specify the percentage you want to focus on each position in the lineup. The offensive schemes would still be there, but they'd be less of an influence on who the offenses are passing the ball to and more of an influence on who should be taking shots.

rjolley · 10-25-2007, 09:25 AM

Does option 2 mean that if I run Low Post with the percentages leaning towards the guards, the bigs will shoot the most, but the guards will shoot more than once or twice?

vex · 10-25-2007, 09:28 AM

Sweet, my SG can go all Kobe on everyone.

I say try the code first, but it doesn't matter to me.

MikeVic · 10-25-2007, 09:30 AM

I don't want to mess around with more input though... I like keeping things simple.

MikeVic · 10-25-2007, 09:31 AM

Of course the California UofM lost again, but we'll keep it exciting with the run-and-shoot!

Anthony · 10-25-2007, 09:55 AM

option 2 is simple. we're not talking FOF2K7 screens here. if you could swing that it'd be awesome. but if you do option 2 does that mean if i set my SG to get the most percentage, then my crappy bench SG will also take as many shots? cuz if so, then maybe option 1 is best.

ntndeacon · 10-25-2007, 10:14 AM

The Fighting Creeks won handily to move to 2-0

Coffee Warlord · 10-25-2007, 11:07 AM

Some early tests on the Low Post offense are showing better results after some number tweaks.

Coffee Warlord · 10-25-2007, 11:30 AM

Okay, I made several changes to the percentages of both the Low Post and the Perimeter offenses. Spot checking some of the others, they appear to be working pretty closely to what I had intended (I reserve the right to pretend I never said that line).

In simplest terms, the players in the post on the low post offense are more apt to kick the ball back out for an open shot, and the guards in a perimeter offense are more likely to drop one inside if they don't have a shot.

A few sims generated good numbers for both offenses, and got the non-focus players much more involved.

wade moore · 10-25-2007, 11:51 AM

I think this is a good step. My suggestion may potentially open up for too much skewing or complications.. idano.. Either way, I think if you can tweak the existing ones that may be fine.

vex · 10-25-2007, 11:54 AM

Ok, this might not be very fun coding, but how about an actual play-by-play, where you click "next play" and it gives you a line by line read out. Or a staggered play-by-play, so every 3 seconds it shows another line of the game.

Coffee Warlord · 10-25-2007, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

I think this is a good step. My suggestion may potentially open up for too much skewing or complications.. idano.. Either way, I think if you can tweak the existing ones that may be fine.

Yeah, the more I thought on that, the less I liked it, though I'd love to be able to do a "key on" switch per player in the future.

10-23-2007, 02:05 PM	#365
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I don't need a PF, but I'm almost tempted to start recruiting Dexter anyway. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

10-24-2007, 10:04 PM	#371
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	sweet ass, Honolulu moves to 2-0 as well. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

10-24-2007, 11:56 PM	#372
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	First win for NU! Granted, it was against an ironman lineup... __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

10-25-2007, 12:58 AM	#374
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	2-0! I love my PG. Too bad he's a senior... __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

10-25-2007, 01:07 AM	#375
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Falck drops 35 in a dominant 90-66 Waffle House victory! Last edited by korme : 10-25-2007 at 01:07 AM.

10-23-2007, 09:57 AM	#352
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Yeah, I'm going to get rid of all my recruiting offers too and follow lordscarlet's strategy. I'll start my getting rid of the one on Randy Dexter, and I suggest you all follow suit. This seems like a fool-proof strategy.

10-23-2007, 10:04 AM	#353
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Ok, I checked out this Randy Dexter fellow. He looks like a good player. Thanks for the tip.

10-23-2007, 10:06 AM	#354
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Hey that's not funny.

10-23-2007, 10:09 AM	#355
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Sure it is. I told Randy and his family about it over dinner on the school jet on our way to Chicago so he could play pickup with the Bulls. We all had a big laugh over it...reminded me of Doctor Evil and his henchmen in Austin Powers.

10-23-2007, 10:10 AM	#356
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	That's it... I better send over a nice gift basket of chocolates to counter this action!

10-23-2007, 10:13 AM	#357
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Randy prefers the warmth of the Coachella Valley, thank you. Especially the warmth of the hot California women we put underneath him.

10-23-2007, 10:24 AM	#359
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	We piss on Beverly Hills here in Palm Springs.

10-23-2007, 10:31 AM	#361
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Randy was ecstatic about coming to the University of Falls Church as well. I think he's planning to drive his new Porsche to our campus shortly.

10-23-2007, 10:35 AM	#362
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Looks like I'll just have to win him with some good old-fashioned legit recruiting then!

10-23-2007, 12:51 PM	#363
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Oh, it's all legit at OU with Will Brown at the helm.

10-23-2007, 01:56 PM	#364
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Hmmm.... Dexter is Highly Positive for me and Jang down at Somewhat Interested. Do certain recruits have higher baseline interests in teams than others? And do we ever find out their secondary preferences as the recruiting weeks go by?

10-23-2007, 02:19 PM	#366
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Hey, stay away from my stolen PF.

10-24-2007, 10:01 AM	#369
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Friendly reminder of games tonight!

10-24-2007, 10:03 PM	#370
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Palm Springs moves to 2-0. Booyah!

10-25-2007, 12:56 AM	#373
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	My Nuggets move to 2-0 on the back of the nation's leading scorer, Jochen Baker.

10-25-2007, 08:11 AM	#377
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Don't read too much into the fatigue blurb. I need to go back and tweak the verbage a little.

10-25-2007, 08:37 AM	#382
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Same problem here. I'm running the low post since my PF and C are my best players, but I also have a good SF. My PF and C are taking 80% or more of the shots between them and my guards are hardly shooting. Oh yeah, we lost to S.U.C.K __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

10-25-2007, 08:51 AM	#385
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	The run and shoot appears to give looks to everyone but the center... __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

10-25-2007, 08:54 AM	#386
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	or maybe you can make it so that if you have Low Post, your C/PF are the ones who get the ball first. if nothing is there your PG or whomever else then will look for their shot. vice versa for Perimeter, where your guards will look to shoot first, if nothing's there or if they're double teamed they dump it into the post.

10-25-2007, 08:55 AM	#387
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	The problem really lies in just how much focus the "target" players are given in each offense. As it stands, it's just really, really likely that the key players will get the ball, that the other guys aren't getting enough looks. The math is really preventing things. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 10-25-2007 at 08:56 AM.

10-25-2007, 09:14 AM	#389
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	It's supposed to work like that. Obviously not as well as I'd like. So, I can go about tweaking this 1 of 2 ways, and I'd like to gauge opinions. 1) Simply mess with the percentages in the code. I'm figuring with some tweaks to the numbers, this issue could be improved. 2) Add a new item to the lineups page that allows you to specify the percentage you want to focus on each position in the lineup. The offensive schemes would still be there, but they'd be less of an influence on who the offenses are passing the ball to and more of an influence on who should be taking shots.

10-25-2007, 09:25 AM	#390
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Does option 2 mean that if I run Low Post with the percentages leaning towards the guards, the bigs will shoot the most, but the guards will shoot more than once or twice?

10-25-2007, 09:28 AM	#391
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Sweet, my SG can go all Kobe on everyone. I say try the code first, but it doesn't matter to me.

10-25-2007, 09:30 AM	#392
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I don't want to mess around with more input though... I like keeping things simple.

10-25-2007, 09:31 AM	#393
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Of course the California UofM lost again, but we'll keep it exciting with the run-and-shoot!

10-25-2007, 09:55 AM	#394
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	option 2 is simple. we're not talking FOF2K7 screens here. if you could swing that it'd be awesome. but if you do option 2 does that mean if i set my SG to get the most percentage, then my crappy bench SG will also take as many shots? cuz if so, then maybe option 1 is best. Last edited by Anthony : 10-25-2007 at 09:57 AM.

10-25-2007, 10:14 AM	#395
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	The Fighting Creeks won handily to move to 2-0

10-25-2007, 11:07 AM	#396
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Some early tests on the Low Post offense are showing better results after some number tweaks.

10-25-2007, 11:30 AM	#397
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Okay, I made several changes to the percentages of both the Low Post and the Perimeter offenses. Spot checking some of the others, they appear to be working pretty closely to what I had intended (I reserve the right to pretend I never said that line). In simplest terms, the players in the post on the low post offense are more apt to kick the ball back out for an open shot, and the guards in a perimeter offense are more likely to drop one inside if they don't have a shot. A few sims generated good numbers for both offenses, and got the non-focus players much more involved.

10-25-2007, 11:54 AM	#399
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Ok, this might not be very fun coding, but how about an actual play-by-play, where you click "next play" and it gives you a line by line read out. Or a staggered play-by-play, so every 3 seconds it shows another line of the game.