Chris Benoit found dead.... - Page 8

Eaglesfan27 · 06-26-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Current research on the behavioral effects of steroid use find that significant psychosis/manic episodes/criminal-level aggression only occur in a very(very) tiny percent of steroid users, and this data is only observational (i.e., there's no way to pinpoint steroids as a cause of the behavior). In long-term controlled studies increased aggression is a common symptom (particularly domestic violence), but certainly not to this level. I find it hard to believe that he would suddenly snap as a result of steroid use--not only snap in a sudden fit of violence, but behave in such a deranged manner for at least a manner of days (wtf kind of excuse is "I gotta go, my wife's coughing up blood" after you've strangled her?)

I'm guessing.... PCP binge.

edit: or Meth

I'd love to see this research re: the lack of psychosis and mania in Steroid abusers. You have any citations for me to check out?

Eaglesfan27 · 06-26-2007, 02:13 PM

Dola -

Remember that if he was doing Steroids, I'm sure he was doing much more than is usually prescribed by doctors. The only time I ever felt in real danger on my job was when a huge body builder who was manic from steroids actually got his hands on me and was trying to hurt me because I wouldn't let him leave the hospital. Fortunately, security took him down a second later.

RedKingGold · 06-26-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Press conference live feed: http://www.wsbtv.com/video/13572145/index.html

I can't watch the feed from work. Would anyone be willing to post the general gist of what was said?

MikeVic · 06-26-2007, 02:17 PM

It's on right now.

MikeVic · 06-26-2007, 02:18 PM

dola,

Umm, doesn't seem like anything new yet. No suicide note though.

SnDvls · 06-26-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

I can't watch the feed from work. Would anyone be willing to post the general gist of what was said?

Ditto

Eaglesfan27 · 06-26-2007, 02:20 PM

Did I just hear that right? Anabolic Steroids were found in the home?

MikeVic · 06-26-2007, 02:21 PM

One co-worker received a text message, but several hours after it was sent. And they don't want to go into the contents yet.

MikeVic · 06-26-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Did I just hear that right? Anabolic Steroids were found in the home?

The voice cut out when he said legal or illegal... so i don't know which.

Flasch186 · 06-26-2007, 02:24 PM

she was found with her ankles and wrists bound....bibles found by each body (hers and sons)

what a schmuck

MikeVic · 06-26-2007, 02:27 PM

All three were dead by the end of Saturday they believe... so no PPV watching I guess?

molson · 06-26-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

she was found with her ankles and wrists bound....bibles found by each body (hers and sons)

what a schmuck

So much for the "accident" rumor.

The WWE has to erase him from their history.

MikeVic · 06-26-2007, 02:28 PM

Steroids were definitely found. But they said a toxicology report will take LONGER than two weeks.

MikeVic · 06-26-2007, 02:31 PM

And that's it for now.

gstelmack · 06-26-2007, 02:35 PM

This is the thing about judging these public figures based on their public appearance: you don't know what kind of person they really are.

In a sidestep / sort-of related / different scale / what-the-heck, I remember the reaction around here when Steve Chiasson was killed in a car wreck. All the reports about what a nice guy he was, great role model, hardworking player, etc. Except that he ran his truck off the road while driving home drunk from a party. We're lucky it was just him and he didn't take a bunch of others with him. Driving drunk is not a symptom of a "great guy", and I got tired of no one talking about how stupid he was, just how "great" he was.

Young Drachma · 06-26-2007, 02:35 PM

Wow. I just read what happened. Crazy, crazy, crazy.

molson · 06-26-2007, 02:36 PM

So he's a family-killer, but at least he loves Jesus.

ThunderingHERD · 06-26-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I'd love to see this research re: the lack of psychosis and mania in Steroid abusers. You have any citations for me to check out?

Trenton, Adam J.; Currier, Glenn W.. CNS Drugs, 2005, Vol. 19 Issue 7, p571-595, 25p

That seems to be the most recent, relevant review.

Toddzilla · 06-26-2007, 02:40 PM

I started to watch RAW last night unaware anything had transpired and was floored somewhat learning that Benoit had died. Not completely surprised since pro-wrestlers seem to die all the time at a young age - somewhat coincidentally a contemporary of Benoit's in Stampede Wrestling, Biff Wellington, died over the weekend at the age of 42. So, I taped the show on my DVR since I was sure I couldn't watch the tribute show live.

Benoit was my favorite wrestler since R.S.P-W turned me onto him back in the early 90s - Herb Kunze would not stop talking about how awesome he was.

I got home from work a little while ago and tried to watch, but knowing what we know now, listening to the wrestlers describe his as a "family man" and a "great father" I had to turn it off. I can't dispute the fact that he may have been a good father at some point, but it all means to me that something very very wrong must have happened to Benoit for him to take the lives of his kid, his wife, and then himself. A complete mental breakdown? Maybe. Half of me is sad and wants to say goodbye, and the other half is pissed and wants to say good riddance.

molson · 06-26-2007, 02:43 PM

The other tidbit is it is believed Nancy died Friday, and Daniel Saturday. I've only heard he missed shows Saturday and Sunday. Does anyone know if there was a house show somewhere Friday that he may have participated in (perhaps even after the murder?)

Eaglesfan27 · 06-26-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Trenton, Adam J.; Currier, Glenn W.. CNS Drugs, 2005, Vol. 19 Issue 7, p571-595, 25p

That seems to be the most recent, relevant review.

Thanks, I have that journal at home. I just don't read all of the editions. I'll check it out tonight. Everything else I've read over the years has pointed to steroids in high quantities being a significant risk for causing mania, psychosis, and depression.

Edit: I'm thinking of CNS Spectrum. I'll have to track down this article.

MikeVic · 06-26-2007, 02:44 PM

I believe it was prescription steroids (legal)?

Maple Leafs · 06-26-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Benoit was my favorite wrestler since R.S.P-W turned me onto him back in the early 90s - Herb Kunze would not stop talking about how awesome he was.

Man, I remember RSPW. We didn't get ECW or even much WCW in Canada so I had no idea who this BENOIT~! guy was that everyone kept going on about.

ThunderingHERD · 06-26-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Thanks, I have that journal at home. I just don't read all of the editions. I'll check it out tonight. Everything else I've read over the years has pointed to steroids in high quantities being a significant risk for causing mania, psychosis, and depression.

No problem. I didn't mean to suggest that steroids don't increase risk for depression, etc--I only meant that there is certainly not enough evidence to suggest that they can produce behavioral disturbances of this magnitude.

Ksyrup · 06-26-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

So much for the "accident" rumor.

Yep. Seems he must have planned this to some degree. The accidental death/aftermath makes much more sense, but now we may never know why it happened unless there's something in those text messages. But if there is something that explicit, you'd think someone would have acted quicker than they did. I'm sure it's going to end up being something cryptic that seemed odd at the time but nothing that would suggest an emergency situation.

duckman · 06-26-2007, 02:57 PM

From 411 Mania:

-The lead investigator began the press conference. He says that yesterday they came to the home after receiving a call for a welfare check on his home. He missed some out of state work and they became concerned and asked for the check. Police found the bodies of Chris Benoit, Nancy and Daniel. They were all deceased. Autopsy's were performed and it has been ruled a double homicide/suicide.

-They feel Friday he murdered his wife via asphyxiation and later the weekend the same for Daniel. Sunday morning is when they feel he hung himself in the basement area. They are waiting on toxicology reports, which could take up to 2 weeks.

-There were no notes left that they have found. The son was in his bed. Chris Benoit has been arrested for DUI in the county, but not for domestic abuse. They have not confirmed the allegations of abuse or the reported divorce attempt.

-They found legal prescriptions in the residence. There were steroids.

-There is no motive as of now with the evidence that they have.

-They say he sent text messages, but they will not comment on the contents of such.

-They will not speculate if steroids had anything to do with the death or his state of mind.

-It appears he hung himself within 24 hours of killing his son.

-They reiterate the time of 2-weeks on toxicology results.

The DA joins the conference. He has no statement prepared, but he takes questions.

-The bizarre circumstances are that in a community like this, this is what is odd. A 7-year old is dead, and we may never understand why. The timing is what he feels is bizarre. But they have not verified all of the times.

-There was a bible beside each of the victims (Nancy and Daniel).

-Nancy was bound by her hands and feet, as well as some blood under her head. She was wrapped in a towel.

-No signs of struggle with the son.

-He says that in 2003 there was an order of protection brought against Benoit, but he has not seen all of the paper work.

-He is baffled as to why someone would kill a 7-year old.

-The families have been contacted.

-He has had no communication with the WWE.

-They reiterate that Nancy died Friday, Daniel early Saturday and Chris sometime late Saturday/early Sunday.

-Benoit hung himself with the cord from his weight machines.

-They need to get all of the toxicology results in to see if things match up. 2-weeks, maybe longer.

-If anything else comes up, they will come out and re-brief the media

Ksyrup · 06-26-2007, 03:15 PM

Damn the media has no shame - CNN headline says "wrestler's house of death."

How fucking over the top dramatic and sensationalistic that is.

molson · 06-26-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Damn the media has no shame - CNN headline says "wrestler's house of death."

How fucking over the top dramatic and sensationalistic that is.

It is, but I'm not sure who we're supossed to be feeling sorry for at this point (who might be affected by stuff like that). His other kids probably hated him before all this.

So I say, sensationalize away.

Ksyrup · 06-26-2007, 03:25 PM

It really has nothing to do with the specific case, it's just utter crap to be putting that kind of headline on anything like this. I'm not "affected" by this case, but it still bothers me in the abstract.

Joe Canadian · 06-26-2007, 03:31 PM

As expected this will be spun into a steroids story... even though they were legal, and more than likely were perscribed to him for recovering from his neck injury.

BrianD · 06-26-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

It is, but I'm not sure who we're supossed to be feeling sorry for at this point (who might be affected by stuff like that). His other kids probably hated him before all this.

So I say, sensationalize away.

I don't get the way most of this thread has gone. First, Chris was some great hero would people couldn't say enough about. They when the details came out Chris was some horrible excuse for a person who needs to be slammed all over the place.

Why can't he just be a normal human, full of human frailties and failings, who ended up going off the deep end? Wrestling and lots of adoring fans put him into the spotlight, but he is the same as the rest of us. We don't know what pushed him over the edge, but he is neither the hero nor devil people try to make him out as.

molson · 06-26-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

I don't get the way most of this thread has gone. First, Chris was some great hero would people couldn't say enough about. They when the details came out Chris was some horrible excuse for a person who needs to be slammed all over the place.

Why can't he just be a normal human, full of human frailties and failings, who ended up going off the deep end? Wrestling and lots of adoring fans put him into the spotlight, but he is the same as the rest of us. We don't know what pushed him over the edge, but he is neither the hero nor devil people try to make him out as.

When you find out someone's killed their family, in an apparent pre-meditated fashion, one's opinion of them can reasonbly be affected, can't it?

I never considered him a hero, but devil isn't too far off.

ThunderingHERD · 06-26-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Edit: I'm thinking of CNS Spectrum. I'll have to track down this article.

Don't you work for a university? We have a subscription to it through ebsco here.

Toddzilla · 06-26-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Why can't he just be a normal human, full of human frailties and failings, who ended up going off the deep end? Wrestling and lots of adoring fans put him into the spotlight, but he is the same as the rest of us. We don't know what pushed him over the edge, but he is neither the hero nor devil people try to make him out as.

Um, no, he fucking killed a 7-year old child. He isn't a *normal* human being, and he is *not* the same as the rest of us. He deserves all the scorn that can be placed upon him,

Eaglesfan27 · 06-26-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Don't you work for a university? We have a subscription to it through ebsco here.

No, I left the university a year ago. I miss the teaching the most, but the library and those resources are a close second.

BrianD · 06-26-2007, 04:04 PM

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Um, no, he fucking killed a 7-year old child. He isn't a *normal* human being, and he is *not* the same as the rest of us. He deserves all the scorn that can be placed upon him,

"There, but for the grace of God, go I".

The man clearly had some problems. You don't kill anyone, especially a kid, without having a major reason or a major problem. It certainly isn't good what he did, but I'm willing to wait until more of the story comes out before completely villifying him.

molson · 06-26-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

"There, but for the grace of God, go I".

The man clearly had some problems. You don't kill anyone, especially a kid, without having a major reason or a major problem. It certainly isn't good what he did, but I'm willing to wait until more of the story comes out before completely villifying him.

You could say that about anyone who commits any bad deed. Some of them have mental issues, some of them have parent issues, or drug issues, or they're just mean. Everyone's who they are. And who Benoit is, is a child murderer.

SnDvls · 06-26-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

I don't get the way most of this thread has gone. First, Chris was some great hero would people couldn't say enough about. They when the details came out Chris was some horrible excuse for a person who needs to be slammed all over the place.

Why can't he just be a normal human, full of human frailties and failings, who ended up going off the deep end? Wrestling and lots of adoring fans put him into the spotlight, but he is the same as the rest of us. We don't know what pushed him over the edge, but he is neither the hero nor devil people try to make him out as.

I think you might be bluring the lines some too. He can still be a hero to some in the wrestling ring and be everyother horrible thing outside of it as well can't he?

SnDvls · 06-26-2007, 04:14 PM

dola, not saying that is how I feel either, just that I could see how some could

BrianD · 06-26-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

You could say that about anyone who commits any bad deed. Some of them have mental issues, some of them have parent issues, or drug issues, or they're just mean. Everyone's who they are. And who Benoit is, is a child murderer.

He is, and it is very sad. I would still see a big difference between killing a kid who walked into a drug deal and one that got killed through some actions of a desperate and depressed father. It doesn't really matter to the kid who is dead either way, but we can still go from an asshole father to a tragic situation.

BrianD · 06-26-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

I think you might be bluring the lines some too. He can still be a hero to some in the wrestling ring and be everyother horrible thing outside of it as well can't he?

Not according to what we have seen so far in this thread.

SirFozzie · 06-26-2007, 04:23 PM

This just gets stranger and stranger..

The Asst. DA (on Headline news) just said there were needle marks in Daniel's arm and they think he had been taking growth hormone for "some time."

Per several people over at DVDVR.

ThunderingHERD · 06-26-2007, 04:33 PM

Wow. World class crazy.

molson · 06-26-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Not according to what we have seen so far in this thread.

He's a murderer AND a good wrestler. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But I'd imagine many won't have the same feeling as they used to watching an old Benoit match.

MikeVic · 06-26-2007, 04:36 PM

What else will be uncovered here? Did Benoit have a dog-fighting ring in the back too? They mentioned two german shepherds in the yard.

Sorry, just trying to lighten the thread up.

I like some attempted humour sprinkeld with crazy tragedy and seriousness...

oliegirl · 06-26-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

What else will be uncovered here? Did Benoit have a dog-fighting ring in the back too? They mentioned two german shepherds in the yard.

Sorry, just trying to lighten the thread up.

I like some attempted humour sprinkeld with crazy tragedy and seriousness...

I think the fact that MikeVic made the dog fighting comment is funnier than the actual comment itself!

BrianD · 06-26-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

He's a murderer AND a good wrestler. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But I'd imagine many won't have the same feeling as they used to watching an old Benoit match.

I'm sure that is true. He may turn out to be an evil murdering bastard, or he may turn out to be a tragic person who people wish would have put the suicide before the murder.

Joe Canadian · 06-26-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

This just gets stranger and stranger..

The Asst. DA (on Headline news) just said there were needle marks in Daniel's arm and they think he had been taking growth hormone for "some time."

Per several people over at DVDVR.

So? Growth hormone is given to children all the time for any number of reasons.

ThunderingHERD · 06-26-2007, 04:52 PM

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So? Growth hormone is given to children all the time for any number of reasons.

Like when their father is a mentally ill narcissist.

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06-26-2007, 02:17 PM	#354
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	It's on right now.

06-26-2007, 02:18 PM	#355
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	dola, Umm, doesn't seem like anything new yet. No suicide note though.

06-26-2007, 02:21 PM	#358
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	One co-worker received a text message, but several hours after it was sent. And they don't want to go into the contents yet.

06-26-2007, 02:27 PM	#361
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	All three were dead by the end of Saturday they believe... so no PPV watching I guess?

06-26-2007, 02:28 PM	#363
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Steroids were definitely found. But they said a toxicology report will take LONGER than two weeks.

06-26-2007, 02:31 PM	#364
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	And that's it for now.

06-26-2007, 02:36 PM	#367
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	So he's a family-killer, but at least he loves Jesus.

06-26-2007, 02:40 PM	#369
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	I started to watch RAW last night unaware anything had transpired and was floored somewhat learning that Benoit had died. Not completely surprised since pro-wrestlers seem to die all the time at a young age - somewhat coincidentally a contemporary of Benoit's in Stampede Wrestling, Biff Wellington, died over the weekend at the age of 42. So, I taped the show on my DVR since I was sure I couldn't watch the tribute show live. Benoit was my favorite wrestler since R.S.P-W turned me onto him back in the early 90s - Herb Kunze would not stop talking about how awesome he was. I got home from work a little while ago and tried to watch, but knowing what we know now, listening to the wrestlers describe his as a "family man" and a "great father" I had to turn it off. I can't dispute the fact that he may have been a good father at some point, but it all means to me that something very very wrong must have happened to Benoit for him to take the lives of his kid, his wife, and then himself. A complete mental breakdown? Maybe. Half of me is sad and wants to say goodbye, and the other half is pissed and wants to say good riddance. Last edited by Toddzilla : 06-26-2007 at 02:41 PM.

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molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	The other tidbit is it is believed Nancy died Friday, and Daniel Saturday. I've only heard he missed shows Saturday and Sunday. Does anyone know if there was a house show somewhere Friday that he may have participated in (perhaps even after the murder?)

06-26-2007, 02:44 PM	#372
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I believe it was prescription steroids (legal)?

06-26-2007, 03:15 PM	#377
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Damn the media has no shame - CNN headline says "wrestler's house of death." How fucking over the top dramatic and sensationalistic that is. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	It really has nothing to do with the specific case, it's just utter crap to be putting that kind of headline on anything like this. I'm not "affected" by this case, but it still bothers me in the abstract. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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06-26-2007, 04:36 PM	#395
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	What else will be uncovered here? Did Benoit have a dog-fighting ring in the back too? They mentioned two german shepherds in the yard. Sorry, just trying to lighten the thread up. I like some attempted humour sprinkeld with crazy tragedy and seriousness...

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