College Football week 14

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I mentioned redundancy about a playoffs. I suppose there could have been a chance that, in a playoffs, OU and MO would play for the 3rd time. Certainly there would be a number of two-timers. Regular bowl matchups would give us all unique matchups, something different for the fans, despite that there are WAY too many bowl games and too many mediocre teams playing.

Sorry, doesn't fly with me. Except for the conference championship games, few of the previous matchesare elimination games. And no rematches are guaranteed. You can get all unique matches in a playoff system, too (just because it doesn't work out all unique one year, doesn't mean it won't work out that way every year).

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Noop

Why isn't Virgina Tech in the discussion for the national title.

Because LSU beat them by 41?

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Sounds like the ACC Florida programs.

Nice.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Noop

Why isn't Virgina Tech in the discussion for the national title.

Their butt kicking at the hands of LSU.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Noop

Why isn't Virgina Tech in the discussion for the national title.

I don't see how VT can get the bid over LSU for the title game, considering LSU took VT behind the shed earlier this year and beat them to death.

[14ers]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Do you think 1-loss Kansas would/should be greater than 2-loss OU and MO?

OU gets the automatic bid to the Fiesta Bowl this year.

MO or KU? MO should get the 2nd BIG XII BCS bid since they beat KU last weekend, but I bet KU gets it instead.


LOL, how is June Jones undefeated season looking now?

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Joe

Because LSU beat them by 41?

And LSU lost to Arkansas and Kentucky, also they lost later in the season.

[st.cronin]

Hey, did you guys know that LSU kicked the crap out of Virginia Tech?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Hell DC, I doubt you could find 8 coaches in the current top 25 (just picking a number) that would favor an 8 team system.

Just heard Mark Richt talking earlier this week -- a coach who would certainly have seemed likely to benefit from such a system at that point -- saying he couldn't really support anything more than a +1 format if that,and that to be honest he thought the current system was just fine.

Like a number of coaches I've heard in the past, he strongly believes that making the season any longer simply isn't feasible for the players at this level.

And I think there's a lot of reality in that point of view. I mean I spent the afternoon watching LSU playing a backup QB versus Tennessee with only one regular RB healthy enough to play.

Roll the regular season back to 10 games, eliminate the conference title games,and then maybe you eliminate that argument ... but if you do the math then you know they aren't going to eliminate over 100 regular season games + conference championships in order to add a playoff for 8 teams.

Pete Carroll is in favor of a playoff. I have heard of a number of coaches in favor of it. Tommy Tuberville, anyone? Your throw out one name as proof of coaches not wanting a playoff lacks validity.

I doubt you could find eight coaches in the Top 25 in favor of the BCS.

Stick with the 12-team, eliminate the conference champ game. Or go to 11, and keep the conference champs. They played 11 games for a long time.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Noop

And LSU lost to Arkansas and Kentucky, also they lost later in the season.

So they have the same number of losses, and LSU stomped VT. Both of LSU's losses were in triple overtime as well. Why would VT jump them?

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Noop

Why isn't Virgina Tech in the discussion for the national title.

The reason.

[Noop]

The way Virgina Tech has been playing I think they could beat LSU if given a chance at a rematch...just saying.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by Joe

So they have the same number of losses, and LSU stomped VT. Both of LSU's losses were in triple overtime as well. Why would VT jump them?

VT doesn't have to jump LSU...we're already ahead of them in the BCS.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Noop

And LSU lost to Arkansas and Kentucky, also they lost later in the season.

Not sure what your point is. Both were overtime losses (3 each). VT has two losses as well, including a blowout at LSU. I just don't know how you can consider Virginia Tech more deserving over LSU when LSU beat Virginia Tech.

[st.cronin]

The real problem with Virginia Tech is that they are a 2-loss team from, at best, the fourth best conference in the country. If you're going to be a 2-loss team, you need to be in either the SEC or the Pac10 (this year).

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Noop

The way Virgina Tech has been playing I think they could beat LSU if given a chance at a rematch...just saying.

Sure, but it's not "what they could do", it's what they "did".

[duckman]

MBBF:

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

How about this "fluke" win?

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Not sure what your point is. Both were overtime losses (3 each). VT has two losses as well, including a blowout at LSU. I just don't know how you can consider Virginia Tech more deserving over LSU when LSU beat Virginia Tech.

Depends on what your judging it by... best team or best season? Virgina Tech outside of the lost to Boston College which by the way they avenged, has been dominating on defense.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Except that, as previously discussed, those games aren't likely to go anywhere.

Then drop to 11. And this is all assuming your argument that coaches wouldn't go for a system after the current season as it currently consists. I don't automatically accept your version of that.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Sure, but it's not "what they could do", it's what they "did".

Well, what we haven't done is lose to an unranked team.




*For the record, I think LSU should get the nod, but I don't think VT is trash just because of one game three months ago where we played a true freshman at QB in the most hostile environment in college football.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by VPI97

VT doesn't have to jump LSU...we're already ahead of them in the BCS.

I think LSU will jump VT in the BCS rankings this year due to the polling.

The coaches poll will narrow that difference this week.

[st.cronin]

Suggesting an 11-game regular season for college football is about as realistic as suggesting 53 man rosters for college football.

[miami_fan]

Well it would not be the first time that a team went to the title game over a team that they lost to in the regular season. Remember 2000-2001

From Wiki

One-loss Florida State was chosen to play undefeated Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl for the national championship, despite their one loss coming to another one loss team, the Miami Hurricanes, that was ranked #2 in both human polls. Adding to the confusion, Miami's one loss came to yet another one loss team, the 10-1 Washington Huskies, leaving three teams with a legitimate claim to play Oklahoma in the National Championship game.

[TazFTW]

Still a long game, just keep chopping away.

[VPI97]

One way to see how the computer polls may go is to go to http://www.colleyrankings.com/ ...it's one of the six official BCS computer rankings and the web interface allows users to input 'what if' scenarios. At the start of the day, the rankings were:

1. WVU
2. Mizzou
3. Ohio State
4. Georgia
5. LSU
6. BC
7. VT
8. Florida
9. Arizona State
10. Kansas

After putting in the WVU, VT, Missouri, USC & LSU games, the top 10 is:

1. LSU
2. VT
3. Ohio State
4. Georgia
5. Mizzou
6. Oklahoma
7. Florida
8. WVU
9. Arizona State
10. BC

Looks good for LSU's chances if the same results are mirrored with the other CPU polls.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Pete Carroll is in favor of a playoff. I have heard of a number of coaches in favor of it. Tommy Tuberville, anyone? Your throw out one name as proof of coaches not wanting a playoff lacks validity.

I "threw out one name" because it was one that had top of mind since I just heard the freakin' interview in the past 48 hours. Gosh, I'm just fucking impressed beyond words that you upped the ante with two names

But I'll see your Carroll & Tuberville and raise you Rich Rodriguez, Bob Stoops, and Tommy Bowden. And while outside the top 25 I originally mentioned, we could throw Kirk Ferentz, Bobby Bowden, or even Bobby Petrino & Bill Callahan in there just for good measure. And that's with less than five minutes of looking for quotes.

Stick with the 12-team, eliminate the conference champ game. Or go to 11, and keep the conference champs. They played 11 games for a long time.

Why tell me? Do I look like the guy in charge of the scheduling for college football? Or conference championships? Go tell the college presidents and and conference presidents and the money boosters and the networks.
See how interested they are in what you think.

[clintl]

If this season's BCS disaster doesn't convince people that the BCS system is a complete fraud, nothing ever will.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Then drop to 11. And this is all assuming your argument that coaches wouldn't go for a system after the current season as it currently consists. I don't automatically accept your version of that.

You say this as though I give a flying fuck what you "accept" or not?

If you want to be delusional enough to think over 50 schools are going to give up a home game in order to satisfy a bunch of fans too simpleminded to comprehend the current system or even the traditional one, you knock yourself the hell out m'kay.

[CU Tiger]

well calling petrino and callahan coaches is a stretch in all honesty...but JimGA iss right it aint gonna happen wthout a congressional hearing

[CU Tiger]

Unless someone builds a Wimbledon like 4 field 250,000 seat arena where you could simulatee teh madness of march madness round 1....which if someone did it would be the shizit.

[rowech]

These guys are against the playoff until they get screwed by not having it. Then they scream, where's the playoff.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I "threw out one name" because it was one that had top of mind since I just heard the freakin' interview in the past 48 hours. Gosh, I'm just fucking impressed beyond words that you upped the ante with two names

But I'll see your Carroll & Tuberville and raise you Rich Rodriguez, Bob Stoops, and Tommy Bowden. And while outside the top 25 I originally mentioned, we could throw Kirk Ferentz, Bobby Bowden, or even Bobby Petrino & Bill Callahan in there just for good measure. And that's with less than five minutes of looking for quotes.



Why tell me? Do I look like the guy in charge of the scheduling for college football? Or conference championships? Go tell the college presidents and and conference presidents and the money boosters and the networks.
See how interested they are in what you think.

I went off the top of my mind as well. WTF do you think, I did some exhaustive search? Just how much of my time do you think arguing with you deserves? I assure you it's less than you think.

And I tell you because you're the one arguing. If you don't want an argument, stay out of the argument.

[cartman]

How did that review not result in a Washington TD? Moot point since they scored on the next play, but geez.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

it aint gonna happen wthout a congressional hearing

It ain't gonna happen with a congressional hearing either. Y'think there might be some connection between large athletic department contributors & large political contributors? Or even to bowl committee members & large political contributors?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

You say this as though I give a flying fuck what you "accept" or not?

If you want to be delusional enough to think over 50 schools are going to give up a home game in order to satisfy a bunch of fans too simpleminded to comprehend the current system or even the traditional one, you knock yourself the hell out m'kay.

You say this as if I give a "flying fuck" that you accept a damn thing I say. You're lucky I am bothering to respond at all.

[CU Tiger]

John, breathe...its a figure of speech

I do not expect to see a playoff in my lifetime

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

And I tell you because you're the one arguing. If you don't want an argument, stay out of the argument.

What argument? You're from the left coast for God's sake, even discussing, much less arguing, college football with you would be like arguing nuclear biological with a tree frog.

And I'm not the one whining & crying like a little girl, I'm just dealing with reality, so get the sand out of your vagina and stick to topics you know something about ... whatever the hell those might be. Clearly, college football isn't one of them.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

John, breathe...its a figure of speech

I do not expect to see a playoff in my lifetime

Nor do I unfortunately. Jon seems to think we don't know we're talking hypotheticals here. As usual, he assumes everyone but himself is a freakin' dumbass.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

What argument? You're from the left coast for God's sake, even discussing, much less arguing, college football with you would be like arguing nuclear biological with a tree frog.

And I'm not the one whining & crying like a little girl, I'm just dealing with reality, so get the sand out of your vagina and stick to topics you know something about ... whatever the hell those might be. Clearly, college football isn't one of them.

lmao...now I'm just laughing at you.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

It ain't gonna happen with a congressional hearing either. Y'think there might be some connection between large athletic department contributors & large political contributors? Or even to bowl committee members & large political contributors?

Well, considering this latest round of massive stadium expansions are due to a loophole allowing contributions to an university athletic department to be tax-deductible, just maybe.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

What argument? You're from the left coast for God's sake, even discussing, much less arguing, college football with you would be like arguing nuclear biological with a tree frog.

And I'm not the one whining & crying like a little girl, I'm just dealing with reality, so get the sand out of your vagina and stick to topics you know something about ... whatever the hell those might be. Clearly, college football isn't one of them.

Oh no, those west coasters and their damn football ideas...

[TazFTW]

Okay, that's another one. The offense is finally clicking but the defense needs to stop them.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You say this as if I give a "flying fuck" that you accept a damn thing I say. You're lucky I am bothering to respond at all.

The only thing "lucky" where you're concerned would be if that blasted earthquake would finally come along and eliminate your ass. Now go pour yourself a steaming cup of STFU and stop whining.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And finally the Nintendo game starts to heat up as expected.

[cartman]

Wow, JiMGa is pissed off. Must be a better than average chance of Herschel Walker U. playing for a national title.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Oh no, those west coasters and their damn football ideas...

haha...what's this "football" he speaks of? Must be something they only play east of the Mississippi and south of the Mason-Dixon line. I would type more, but I heard there's a sale on lufas at Macy's and I gotta get one and a mocha latte from Starbucks, so I gotta go.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by cartman

Wow, JiMGa is pissed off. Must be a better than average chance of Herschel Walker U. playing for a national title.

Imagine what'll happen when Bobby retires?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The only thing "lucky" where you're concerned would be if that blasted earthquake would finally come along and eliminate your ass. Now go pour yourself a steaming cup of STFU and stop whining.

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This is what is between your legs.

Ooh, ooh, now do me again!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cartman

Wow, JiMGa is pissed off. Must be a better than average chance of Herschel Walker U. playing for a national title.

I'd say it's still 60-40 against, but that's too close for comfort.

Meanwhile, I've just grown incredibly weary of listening to people who don't have a fucking clue try to pretend they know what they're talking about.

edit to add: Seriously, this whining by people who really don't fucking matter -- and when it comes to making decisions about college football that's every damned one of us here -- has gotten beyond absurd. It's a business. And the business decision has been made to have the system we have.
I preferred the previous bowl system when the BCS was introduced, and pretty much still do (although I don't think the BCS is quite as bad as I thought it might be). All this hand wringing over something that ultimately doesn't matter one bit combined with the ridiculously impossible suggestions that are made ad nauseum, it's just f'n tedious.

Hell people, why not lobby so hard for this tournament to be played on Neptune, because if you're going to be silly why hold back?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Imagine what'll happen when Bobby retires?

{scratches head as reference sails waaaaaaaaay over my head}