College Football Week 13 (Rivalry Week) discussion - Page 6

JonInMiddleGA · 11-28-2009, 10:13 PM

Hill catches it on the 3 yd line or so but is ruled OOB.

edit to add: And he's hurt, holding his back after landing funny. Doesn't look super serious but it stops play.

Swaggs · 11-28-2009, 10:14 PM

Gerhart in!

Stanford goes up by a TD w/ :59.

DaddyTorgo · 11-28-2009, 10:14 PM

sitting here with my brother - neither of us understand why stanford ran that in - they could kneel it multiple times and kill the game and kick the winning FG and not give notre dame a possession - now the karma gods will ensure that ND hits a TD and gets a 2pt conversion and wins

fucking stupid play...wtf???

Eaglesfan27 · 11-28-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Man... great night of football between the two ESPN games and the ABC game. All down to the wire.

Need. More. TVs.

Don't forget the USC-UCLA game on Fox Sports

It's been a defensive battle as expected. USC had a chance to go up 14-0 a bit ago, but Barkley threw a bad pick. USC still up 7-0.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-28-2009, 10:16 PM

GT was lucky, Georgia actually intercepted that pass OOB.

Swaggs · 11-28-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Don't forget the USC-UCLA game on Fox Sports

It's been a defensive battle as expected. USC had a chance to go up 14-0 a bit ago, but Barkley threw a bad pick. USC still up 7-0.

It's on the agenda, don't worry!

DaddyTorgo · 11-28-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

sitting here with my brother - neither of us understand why stanford ran that in - they could kneel it multiple times and kill the game and kick the winning FG and not give notre dame a possession - now the karma gods will ensure that ND hits a TD and gets a 2pt conversion and wins

fucking stupid play...wtf???

it'll be great if stanford wins, but i just don't understand why you'd make that play when you've effectively got the game over - to win by 7 instead of win by 3? woopie doo

DeToxRox · 11-28-2009, 10:17 PM

Three straight deep passes by GT? Um, k.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-28-2009, 10:17 PM

Three straight bombs all close but incomplete, now 4th & 10.

DeToxRox · 11-28-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

it'll be great if stanford wins, but i just don't understand why you'd make that play when you've effectively got the game over - to win by 7 instead of win by 3? woopie doo

This isn't the NFL though. No FG in college football is an automatic. I get your point but I'd take the sure points.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-28-2009, 10:18 PM

Wide open sideline pass for a first down & Thomas simply dropped it.

Just

fucking

dropped

it

Swaggs · 11-28-2009, 10:18 PM

Notre Dame gets a 43-yard jumpball... Inside Stanford territory.

And another sideline gainer to the 30.

DaddyTorgo · 11-28-2009, 10:19 PM

hah...watch them fucking lose this now...if they do harbaugh should be fucking fired for his pathetic clock management here

DaddyTorgo · 11-28-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

This isn't the NFL though. No FG in college football is an automatic. I get your point but I'd take the sure points.

so if they miss it you go to overtime...no big deal.

clearly with the yards they just gained so quick i feel somewhat vindicated

DeToxRox · 11-28-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Wide open sideline pass for a first down & Thomas simply dropped it.

Just

fucking

dropped

it

Awful one there. Look like he saw it all the way in then didn't trust he was going to be in bounds, so he looks down and has a lapse in concentration and just gooses it.

Swaggs · 11-28-2009, 10:20 PM

Notre Dame has :07 remaining from the 25.

Atocep · 11-28-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Wide open sideline pass for a first down & Thomas simply dropped it.

Just

fucking

dropped

it

Wow. Right in his hands. He's not really moving. 11 yard out. Defender is 5 yards away. And he drops it.

DeToxRox · 11-28-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so if they miss it you go to overtime...no big deal.

clearly with the yards they just gained so quick i feel somewhat vindicated

And if ND scores, having to go 70-80 yards, you most likely go to OT.

Swaggs · 11-28-2009, 10:21 PM

I will miss you and your runny nose, Charlie Weis.

DaddyTorgo · 11-28-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

This isn't the NFL though. No FG in college football is an automatic. I get your point but I'd take the sure points.

it'd be like an XP - and Stanford's kicker is a stud.

guess they won so it's all good, but a curious decison

Dr. Sak · 11-28-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I will miss you and your runny nose, Charlie Weis.

That's right! It was against Stanford.

Dr. Sak · 11-28-2009, 10:24 PM

Kirk, I think you are a great color guy and the best guy on College Game Day...but your buddy Brent is a bit...um...over dramatic.

Swaggs · 11-28-2009, 10:24 PM

Tough day for the ACC w/ both division champs going down to 7-5 SEC teams. It will be odd that the two reps for the ACC title game will probably be ranked below VPI and Miami in the polls.

Dr. Sak · 11-28-2009, 10:25 PM

Dola check out Kirk's rant on Game Day this morning. It is spot on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNs0qlWADJI

larrymcg421 · 11-28-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

hah...watch them fucking lose this now...if they do harbaugh should be fucking fired for his pathetic clock management here

Come on, that's crazy. There's only two things that could get Harbaugh fired right now: dead girl or live boy.

Swaggs · 11-28-2009, 10:27 PM

Notre Dame's six losses were by: 4, 7, 2, 5, 3 (OT), 7.

They also had wins by: 3, 3, 7 (OT), and 4.

That must have made for a stressful season for ND fans.

DeToxRox · 11-28-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Kirk, I think you are a great color guy and the best guy on College Game Day...but your buddy Brent is a bit...um...over dramatic.

Imagine Musberger and Gary Danielson.

Lathum · 11-28-2009, 10:30 PM

I think your being to critical DT. Just because MJD did it in a game doesn't mean it should be the norm now, especially in college where special teams are unpredictable.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-28-2009, 10:31 PM

I can't really recall any loss more ... disturbing ... in 42 years.

It reveals a very ugly truth in bright bold colors: as far as football is concerned the ACC doesn't belong in the same league with the SEC or in the same sentence with the words "major conference".

I can't think of any rational defense (that doesn't involve $$$) for it having a guaranteed BCS bid at this point.

I still don't have any doubt that GT is the best team in the conference right now over the course of a 12 game season, problem is that doesn't equate with being a top tier team. All the Jackets, or Clemson, do at this point is cheapen the Orange Bowl by being there.

MacroGuru · 11-28-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Dola check out Kirk's rant on Game Day this morning. It is spot on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNs0qlWADJI

I normally hate Kirk...but he is my fucking hero right now with what he said today.

MacroGuru · 11-28-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Come on, that's crazy. There's only two things that could get Harbaugh fired right now: dead girl or live boy.

It's a good thing he can tie great knots!

bob · 11-28-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Three straight bombs all close but incomplete, now 4th & 10.

This really reminded me of the Gailey / Reggie Ball era. Toss it deep and pray for Calvin Johnson miracle catch or pass interference. I don't really understand the play call here at all given the time left and the fact that Tech was on the UGA side of the 50.

DeToxRox · 11-28-2009, 10:37 PM

Did one of the teams in the USC/UCLA game have to give up one of their TO's so they both could wear their home Uni's tonight or did that thing get corrected?

JonInMiddleGA · 11-28-2009, 10:40 PM

Meanwhile, my son is seeking consolation by playing Borderlands.

I'll spare you the commentary, suffice to say that the various enemies seem to be wearing red & black in his eyes at the moment. To most people the use of a rocket launcher on a single already dying enemy might seem like overkill but right now, not so much so.

Swaggs · 11-28-2009, 10:42 PM

Dr. Lou is going to be hella pissed when he sees Kirk's rant!

Big Fo · 11-28-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

We'll see what happens in the second half, I'd guess another close loss for the Irish for a fitting end to the season.

Yup.

Disappointing season, I don't even place as much blame on Weis as a lot of people do. The defense sucked and they fumbled the ball too often in a number of these close games. I know 6-6 is a bad record for ND and it's probably a sign of lowered expectations but all of the losses were close and it was an entertaining although unsuccessful season, maybe I'd be madder if I had bought into the preseason hype of the team possibly going 10-2. If it weren't for the crappy TD% in the red zone after about the halfway point through the season I'd advocate ND getting new defensive staff rather than a new head coach. He'll be fired anyway, it doesn't matter what I think. I don't know who the best plausible replacement would be (considering that I feel Meyer and Stoops to be unrealistic) not knowing much about what Kelly has to deal with at Cincinnatti in terms of facilities/academics but hopefully they get it right this time.

Well played Stanford, I hope Gerhart or Spiller (or anyone other than McCoy/Tebow really) wins the Heisman.

DeToxRox · 11-28-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Dr. Lou is going to be hella pissed when he sees Kirk's rant!

Imagine Dr. Lou saying Swaggs.

Matthean · 11-28-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Dola check out Kirk's rant on Game Day this morning. It is spot on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNs0qlWADJI

I have been saying for some time that ND on a national level is irrelevant. I think the Big Ten is going through some of the same issues. ND can't be a 8 win team. They have to be 10 wins at worst and start to deal with USC on a consistent enough basis to where ND would actually be favored. It's going to take a lot from whomever they bring in to do that. It's only their own egos that they keep trying to deem themselves on a different level than everybody else. I'm all for them sucking until NBC, or whoever finds out it's not worth it to sign a deal to show ND games anymore.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Kirk, I think you are a great color guy and the best guy on College Game Day...but your buddy Brent is a bit...um...over dramatic.

Absolutely the guy I hate hearing the most. He's been over the top for years. I swear one MSU/U of M game he was boasting about a MSU player so much he was pretty much comparing him to just about anybody whoever played the position.

Big Fo · 11-28-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

I'm all for them sucking until NBC, or whoever finds out it's not worth it to sign a deal to show ND games anymore.

If enough people keep watching (I don't know how good the TV ratings actually are fwiw) won't NBC keep showing the games no matter what ND's record is?

bhlloy · 11-28-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Did one of the teams in the USC/UCLA game have to give up one of their TO's so they both could wear their home Uni's tonight or did that thing get corrected?

Actually, this year both teams decided to give up their offense instead

bhlloy · 11-28-2009, 10:53 PM

I actually disagree with Herbstreit somewhat. Their offense should have been good enough for them to be relevant this year, but the defense was worse than expected and the coaching was pretty bad.

If they get somebody in who can recruit the defensive side of the ball at the level that Weis recruited the offensive side, and get a good, experienced staff behind him, I think ND can become relevant again real fast. The idea of Kelly at ND scares the crap out of me.

Swaggs · 11-28-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Imagine Dr. Lou saying Swaggs.

Think the spittle would reach the camera from 15-feet away?

DeToxRox · 11-28-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Think the spittle would reach the camera from 15-feet away?

It'd be the one time I'd dread having an HDTV.

Atocep · 11-28-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

I actually disagree with Herbstreit somewhat. Their offense should have been good enough for them to be relevant this year, but the defense was worse than expected and the coaching was pretty bad.

If they get somebody in who can recruit the defensive side of the ball at the level that Weis recruited the offensive side, and get a good, experienced staff behind him, I think ND can become relevant again real fast. The idea of Kelly at ND scares the crap out of me.

A good coach at Notre Dame is a scary thought.

CU Tiger · 11-28-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Dola check out Kirk's rant on Game Day this morning. It is spot on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNs0qlWADJI

Even though I agree with what he is saying, watching it I couldnt help but feel it was corporate speak coming straight from an ESPN PR/Marketing guy.

BTW John,
I understand showing the games is not a conflict of interest, however having your employees vote may be. I guess I just miss the integrity that once upon a time would have led a corporation to have its employees refrain from voting just to put themselves beyond reproach.

Recoil · 11-28-2009, 11:03 PM

Can't wait for the ACCCG.

GT/CU? Who really cares? Do either really deserve to be in the Orange Bowl?

Matthean · 11-28-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

If enough people keep watching (I don't know how good the TV ratings actually are fwiw) won't NBC keep showing the games no matter what ND's record is?

Yes, they would, but I would be curious to see how many people would continue to watch mediocre football when a network could sign on to fill that spot with a Pac 10 game of the week instead. I get Big Ten and SEC games as is. Toss me a Pac 10, or Big 12 game in there and I'll watch that many times over a ND game.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-28-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

If enough people keep watching (I don't know how good the TV ratings actually are fwiw) won't NBC keep showing the games no matter what ND's record is?

The question might be where they'll be showing them, as they're rumored to be bound for Versus if Comcast completes an acquisition of NBC Universal.

The ratings this year have been a mixed bag, with the USC game being the most watched in 3 years (4.5 rtg) and the WSU game being one of the least watched games in their history (1.3 rtg, worse only than Nevada earlier this year and a 1.2 against Duke a few years back)

But there's definitely a decline from the 6's they drew what now seems like a very long time ago.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-28-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I understand showing the games is not a conflict of interest, however having your employees vote may be.

It seems like it'd only be a conflict if the BCS minded, and they don't since even controversy generates ratings & therefore $$$.

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I guess I just miss the integrity that once upon a time would have led a corporation to have its employees refrain from voting just to put themselves beyond reproach.

{shrug} Anyone who considered any media entity "beyond reproach" at any time in history did so at their own risk.

Lathum · 11-28-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Yes, they would, but I would be curious to see how many people would continue to watch mediocre football when a network could sign on to fill that spot with a Pac 10 game of the week instead. I get Big Ten and SEC games as is. Toss me a Pac 10, or Big 12 game in there and I'll watch that many times over a ND game.

I think most people in our demographic would, but there are a lot of old farts out there who want to cling to the past.

11-28-2009, 10:13 PM	#251
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Hill catches it on the 3 yd line or so but is ruled OOB. edit to add: And he's hurt, holding his back after landing funny. Doesn't look super serious but it stops play. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 11-28-2009 at 10:15 PM.

11-28-2009, 10:14 PM	#252
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Gerhart in! Stanford goes up by a TD w/ :59. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-28-2009, 10:14 PM	#253
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	sitting here with my brother - neither of us understand why stanford ran that in - they could kneel it multiple times and kill the game and kick the winning FG and not give notre dame a possession - now the karma gods will ensure that ND hits a TD and gets a 2pt conversion and wins fucking stupid play...wtf??? __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9 Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 11-28-2009 at 10:15 PM.

11-28-2009, 10:16 PM	#255
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	GT was lucky, Georgia actually intercepted that pass OOB. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-28-2009, 10:17 PM	#259
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Three straight bombs all close but incomplete, now 4th & 10. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-28-2009, 10:17 PM	#258
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Three straight deep passes by GT? Um, k.

11-28-2009, 10:18 PM	#261
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Wide open sideline pass for a first down & Thomas simply dropped it. Just fucking dropped it __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-28-2009, 10:18 PM	#262
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Notre Dame gets a 43-yard jumpball... Inside Stanford territory. And another sideline gainer to the 30. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-28-2009, 10:19 PM	#263
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hah...watch them fucking lose this now...if they do harbaugh should be fucking fired for his pathetic clock management here __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

11-28-2009, 10:20 PM	#266
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Notre Dame has :07 remaining from the 25. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-28-2009, 10:21 PM	#269
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I will miss you and your runny nose, Charlie Weis. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-28-2009, 10:24 PM	#272
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Kirk, I think you are a great color guy and the best guy on College Game Day...but your buddy Brent is a bit...um...over dramatic.

11-28-2009, 10:24 PM	#273
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Tough day for the ACC w/ both division champs going down to 7-5 SEC teams. It will be odd that the two reps for the ACC title game will probably be ranked below VPI and Miami in the polls. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers? Last edited by Swaggs : 11-28-2009 at 10:25 PM.

11-28-2009, 10:25 PM	#274
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Dola check out Kirk's rant on Game Day this morning. It is spot on... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNs0qlWADJI

11-28-2009, 10:27 PM	#276
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Notre Dame's six losses were by: 4, 7, 2, 5, 3 (OT), 7. They also had wins by: 3, 3, 7 (OT), and 4. That must have made for a stressful season for ND fans. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-28-2009, 10:30 PM	#278
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think your being to critical DT. Just because MJD did it in a game doesn't mean it should be the norm now, especially in college where special teams are unpredictable.

11-28-2009, 10:31 PM	#279
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I can't really recall any loss more ... disturbing ... in 42 years. It reveals a very ugly truth in bright bold colors: as far as football is concerned the ACC doesn't belong in the same league with the SEC or in the same sentence with the words "major conference". I can't think of any rational defense (that doesn't involve $$$) for it having a guaranteed BCS bid at this point. I still don't have any doubt that GT is the best team in the conference right now over the course of a 12 game season, problem is that doesn't equate with being a top tier team. All the Jackets, or Clemson, do at this point is cheapen the Orange Bowl by being there. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-28-2009, 10:37 PM	#283
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Did one of the teams in the USC/UCLA game have to give up one of their TO's so they both could wear their home Uni's tonight or did that thing get corrected?

11-28-2009, 10:40 PM	#284
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Meanwhile, my son is seeking consolation by playing Borderlands. I'll spare you the commentary, suffice to say that the various enemies seem to be wearing red & black in his eyes at the moment. To most people the use of a rocket launcher on a single already dying enemy might seem like overkill but right now, not so much so. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-28-2009, 10:42 PM	#285
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Dr. Lou is going to be hella pissed when he sees Kirk's rant! __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

11-28-2009, 10:53 PM	#291
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I actually disagree with Herbstreit somewhat. Their offense should have been good enough for them to be relevant this year, but the defense was worse than expected and the coaching was pretty bad. If they get somebody in who can recruit the defensive side of the ball at the level that Weis recruited the offensive side, and get a good, experienced staff behind him, I think ND can become relevant again real fast. The idea of Kelly at ND scares the crap out of me.

11-28-2009, 11:03 PM	#296
Recoil High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GA	Can't wait for the ACCCG. GT/CU? Who really cares? Do either really deserve to be in the Orange Bowl?

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