NFL Week 8 - Game of the year editon - Page 6

Lathum · 11-01-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

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ahh

fixing internet grammar mistakes, how noble of you. It's thankless work, thank god we have you to do it.

Radii · 11-01-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I hope you don't spend money watching any other level of football either. Once the ball breaks the plane, the play is dead, and it is a touchdown on any level of football.

+1

I didn't realize this was controversial or unclear at all to anyone.

TroyF · 11-01-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I hope you don't spend money watching any other level of football either. Once the ball breaks the plane, the play is dead, and it is a touchdown on any level of football.

Yep. Not like this is a new rule either. It's been the rule since I started watching football.

NewIdentity · 11-01-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Umm...

You obviously don't remember the situation where the Vikings had 2nd and Goal on the two yard line and failed to run it with Peterson and then kicked a afield goal from the one yard line which made it a tie game or a 1 point game... something that did not affect the outcome of that game at all. Going for the touchdown would have altered the outcome of last week's game BIG time.

No I don't remember them kicking a fieldgoal on 3rd down.

I remember Peterson trying to running it on 1 st down from the goal line and getting his ass handed to him and losing 2 yards. This forced them to pass the ball on 2nd and 3rd down. Then the field goal unit came in and kick a field goal on 4th down.

But, I definatley do not remember them kicking a fieldgoal on 3rd down.

Abe Sargent · 11-01-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

ahh

fixing internet grammar mistakes, how noble of you. It's thankless work, thank god we have you to do it.

HAHAHAHA

larrymcg421 · 11-01-2009, 04:14 PM

I can only imagine what Sack's reaction would've been to the Vinny Testaverde "helmet TD" against the Seahawks.

sovereignstar · 11-01-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NewIdentity

No I don't remember them kicking a fieldgoal on 3rd down.

I remember Peterson trying to running it on 1 st down from the goal line and getting his ass handed to him and losing 2 yards. This forced them to pass the ball on 2nd and 3rd down. Then the field goal unit came in and kick a field goal on 4th down.

But, I definatley do not remember them kicking a fieldgoal on 3rd down.

You typed all of that just to make yourself look like an idiot?

SackAttack · 11-01-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

Yep. Not like this is a new rule either. It's been the rule since I started watching football.

Sure. And it's irritated me before, too, but never to the level of that play right there.

I have never liked the 'break the plane' rule, but this is the first time I've seen it come into play in a situation quite that asinine.

Abe Sargent · 11-01-2009, 04:16 PM

NewIdentity · 11-01-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

You typed all of that just to make yourself look like an idiot?

Youbetcha

SackAttack · 11-01-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I can only imagine what Sack's reaction would've been to the Vinny Testaverde "helmet TD" against the Seahawks.

Hum a few bars, and maybe I can fake it.

I mean, yeah, I'm rootin' for the home team this week, but change the uniforms to, like, Lions and Bucs and my reaction would've been the same. Assuming I had seen it, anyway.

Let me put it another way. Why in the FUCK is there a "forward progress" rule if it doesn't matter when the plane of the end zone is involved?

TroyF · 11-01-2009, 04:18 PM

If I'm the Packers coach, I either throw a screen, run it or call a designed deep route here.

No way in hell do I give Rodgers 5 reads to work through or the offensive line a chance to give up two here.

mauchow · 11-01-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NewIdentity

No I don't remember them kicking a fieldgoal on 3rd down.

I remember Peterson trying to running it on 1 st down from the goal line and getting his ass handed to him and losing 2 yards. This forced them to pass the ball on 2nd and 3rd down. Then the field goal unit came in and kick a field goal on 4th down.

But, I definatley do not remember them kicking a fieldgoal on 3rd down.

Okay, congrats, you've created an argument which does not exist. Of course the Vikings didn't kick a field goal on 3rd down last week, that would would be mental.. I said they had 2nd and Goal and never ran it with Peterson again and then decided to kick a field goal rather than going for it from the two. It was a deciding factor in that game. Of course the plays you mentioned were game changing plays too but the one I mention came first.

kingfc22 · 11-01-2009, 04:20 PM

Thanks MJD.

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My fantasy team

larrymcg421 · 11-01-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Hum a few bars, and maybe I can fake it.

I mean, yeah, I'm rootin' for the home team this week, but change the uniforms to, like, Lions and Bucs and my reaction would've been the same. Assuming I had seen it, anyway.

Let me put it another way. Why in the FUCK is there a "forward progress" rule if it doesn't matter when the plane of the end zone is involved?

It does matter. If they call forward progress and whistle the play dead before the plane is broken, then it is not a TD.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2009, 04:22 PM

Green Bays line sucks.

TroyF · 11-01-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Sure. And it's irritated me before, too, but never to the level of that play right there.

I have never liked the 'break the plane' rule, but this is the first time I've seen it come into play in a situation quite that asinine.

I guess my question is why? If the ball is in the possession of the carrier when it crosses the plane, that's it. It's a TD. What more do you want the runner to do? It's like the down by contact rule. A defender touches you, your knee/leg/forearm/etc. hit the ground, it doesn't matter what happens to the ball after that. It's irrelevant. Same thing with the end zone. The guy has the ball, crosses the plane, that's it. The defense failed. Six points for the offense.

larrymcg421 · 11-01-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NewIdentity

No I don't remember them kicking a fieldgoal on 3rd down.

I remember Peterson trying to running it on 1 st down from the goal line and getting his ass handed to him and losing 2 yards. This forced them to pass the ball on 2nd and 3rd down. Then the field goal unit came in and kick a field goal on 4th down.

But, I definatley do not remember them kicking a fieldgoal on 3rd down.

Hey, maybe try again. Read the very post you quoted. Please point out where it says a FG was kicked on 3rd down.

Eaglesfan27 · 11-01-2009, 04:27 PM

Did I just see that games start 2 hours early next week? If so, why?

mauchow · 11-01-2009, 04:28 PM

Boy, that Blindside movie looks pretty sweet. Especially since it has Sandra Bullocks as the lead! I'm so pumped to see it!

cuervo72 · 11-01-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

ahh

fixing internet grammar mistakes, how noble of you. It's thankless work, thank god we have you to do it.

One of my failings is having a low tolerance for those who either refuse to learn or are just too lazy to change. If you're neither of those and are simply dim, then I apologize.

And 'God' should be capitalized.

mauchow · 11-01-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Did I just see that games start 2 hours early next week? If so, why?

Pacific time? Not sure why they did that.

mauchow · 11-01-2009, 04:29 PM

Please leave thread grammar nazi's!

jbergey22 · 11-01-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Did I just see that games start 2 hours early next week? If so, why?

Must be an error. They wont change the football schedule.

mauchow · 11-01-2009, 04:30 PM

Here's the great play calling we've grown to love as Vikings fans... gotta love that second down call... and the third down play.

NewIdentity · 11-01-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Hey, maybe try again. Read the very post you quoted. Please point out where it says a FG was kicked on 3rd down.

2+1=3

If they failed to run it on 2nd down then kicked a field goal; that would have been 3rd down.

You can sit down now, because you larrymcg421 are dumber than a 5th grader!

Eaglesfan27 · 11-01-2009, 04:31 PM

I rewound the DVR and it definitely said that the early games start at 11 AM Eastern/8 Pacific on Fox next week. Odd. I can't remember them ever doing that. Could be a mistake on their commercial, but it even mentioned that it was a special time.

cuervo72 · 11-01-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Please leave thread grammar nazi's!

Fine, I'll stay on topic.

Giants suck.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Here's the great play calling we've grown to love as Vikings fans... gotta love that second down call... and the third down play.

Settle mauboy. Their defense is controlling this game. Just get the points when you can.

mauchow · 11-01-2009, 04:33 PM

Wow, didn't even notice 28-7 Panthers over Arizona.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I rewound the DVR and it definitely said that the early games start at 11 AM Eastern/8 Pacific on Fox next week. Odd. I can't remember them ever doing that. Could be a mistake on their commercial, but it even mentioned that it was a special time.

I just looked at next weeks schedule and its the same as always.

TroyF · 11-01-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I rewound the DVR and it definitely said that the early games start at 11 AM Eastern/8 Pacific on Fox next week. Odd. I can't remember them ever doing that. Could be a mistake on their commercial, but it even mentioned that it was a special time.

I looked on multiple websites and the times seem to be the same.

mauchow · 11-01-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Umm...

You obviously don't remember the situation where the Vikings had 2nd and Goal on the two yard line and failed to run it with Peterson and then kicked a afield goal from the one yard line

It takes common sense to know that a team would not kick a field goal after failing on 2nd down. Why do I have to explain that they kicked a field goal on 4th down?

Lathum · 11-01-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

One of my failings is having a low tolerance for those who either refuse to learn or are just too lazy to change. If you're neither of those and are simply dim, then I apologize.

And 'God' should be capitalized.

At least you can point out your failings.

And the failings of others.

It's people like you who make the interwebs a better place. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I give you a heartfelt thanks for your work of ensuring we all use apostrophes, capital letters and correct spelling in the correct manner.

Thanks again.

mauchow · 11-01-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Settle mauboy. Their defense is controlling this game. Just get the points when you can.

Their defense is controlling the game up to the point where their defense stops controlling the game. It has happened EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. this year. It never pays to be too conservative. Go for the short pass plays that have been working all game and see what happens... instead they run it and then dump it and settle for three.

sovereignstar · 11-01-2009, 04:39 PM

I haven't had much time to pay attention to the rest of the NFL lately. Has San Francisco been losing all of their games by last minute lucky passes?

SackAttack · 11-01-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

It does matter. If they call forward progress and whistle the play dead before the plane is broken, then it is not a TD.

So let me turn that around on you.

Have you ever seen a situation where forward progress was whistled that close to the end zone?

Because if not, then they're arbitrarily applying the rule and choosing to wait until the player's knee is down.

I mean, look - I'm not blaming that call for the Vikings scoring 7 points. The Packers gave the Vikings a fresh set of downs with that stupid headbutt by #97 after the 3rd down stop. They've got only themselves to blame for the fact that the end result of the drive was a touchdown.

I just think 'plane of the end zone' is a stupid rule in the first place - and you can disagree with me all you want on that - and it's fucking retarded that you can combine it with a guy who can't go anywhere, and nearly anywhere else on the field that play gets whistled dead, but because he might be able to stretch his arm out a few feet, it's allowed to continue so that maybe he can wave the football over the end zone for a second and a half.

Move the ball back ten yards and say it's 4th and inches instead of 4th and goal - can he wave the ball over the plane of the first down line and get the call if he gets stuffed, or is that just a subjective spot-of-the-ball thing for the official? Honest question. Are the rules consistent that way?

jbergey22 · 11-01-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Their defense is controlling the game up to the point where their defense stops controlling the game. It has happened EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. this year. It never pays to be too conservative. Go for the short pass plays that have been working all game and see what happens... instead they run it and then dump it and settle for three.

Well if they had kicked it instead of going for it previously theyd be up 3 scores instead of 2. Im not for conservative game calling but when your defense has limited the opponent to less than 100 yards offense in a half you need to have faith that they will keep it up. They get too aggressive at then end there Favre fumbles or throws a pic and we're up 11 points instead of the 17 we should have been up. Even with the Vikings crappy pass defense 17 points would be a lot ot come back from.

larrymcg421 · 11-01-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NewIdentity

2+1=3

If they failed to run it on 2nd down then kicked a field goal; that would have been 3rd down.

You can sit down now, because you larrymcg421 are dumber than a 5th grader!

You still didn't point out where he said a FG was kicked on 3rd down.

He didn't say they failed to run it on second down. He said they had 2nd and goal and failed to run it. If someone said a team had 1st and goal from the 1 and failed to run it, I would not assume they meant that the team kicked a FG on 2nd down.

And anyways, it was a nitpicky way to avoid what was actually being argued. No one was blasting Childress for this imaginary third down FG. The criticism was that he didn't use the best back in the league in that situation. How hard is it to actually respond to the arguments being made?

jbergey22 · 11-01-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Move the ball back ten yards and say it's 4th and inches instead of 4th and goal - can he wave the ball over the plane of the first down line and get the call if he gets stuffed, or is that just a subjective spot-of-the-ball thing for the official? Honest question. Are the rules consistent that way?

YEs this would be a first down

mauchow · 11-01-2009, 04:45 PM

I understand what you are saying, Sack..

I think the refs blew the whistle before he stuck the ball out anyways, so they originally called him in from his jump(which actually was pretty close, but imo he made it over... and you're right, it probably could have been called forward progress and down on the inch yard line... if he didn't cross the first time.

Eaglesfan27 · 11-01-2009, 04:45 PM

Just saw the same commercial again. I think it is just Fox being misleading and that their pre-game show is starting early and is 2 hours long. Is it usually 2 hours long? I'm guessing that is what is starting at 11 AM Eastern.

TroyF · 11-01-2009, 04:46 PM

That missed call in last weeks game still doesn't get enough play either. Yes, Favre turned it over twice. (partial blame on the second), but they had a TD on the play before taken away by a phantom penalty.

There were a ton of Favre questions at the start of the year:

1) Was it worth the Vikings signing him?
2) Could he lead the Vikings to the Super Bowl?
3) Did they overpay him?
4) Could he still play?

I think we can answer three of the four. Question 1 is yes, it was clearly worth signing him. If he blows out his knee in the second half, it's still hard to argue the Vikings weren't better off with him than without him. I don't think they win the first GB game without him. I don't think they beat the Niners without him. Ditto the Ravens. It's obvious that with him they have a chance to go far, without him they'd be exactly what they were last year (a good, not great team that would get dumped early in the playoffs)

Question 3 is no. A lot of teams would be willing to pay someone Favre's contract for the numbers he's putting up.

Question 4 is unequivocal at this point. Yes, he can still play. He can play on the road against good teams. He can play at home. He has his arm strength. He's playing smarter. He's a top 10 QB in the league right now.

Even if you told the Vikings he'd get hurt in week 9, I think they'd still sign him.

Groundhog · 11-01-2009, 04:47 PM

Tennessee	Comp	Att	Yds	Pct	Y/A	Sack	YdsL	TD	Int	Rating
V. Young	11	13	87	84.6	6.7	0	0	1	0	120.2

larrymcg421 · 11-01-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

YEs this would be a first down

+1. QB's get 1st downs on sneaks all the time in that exact situation.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2009, 04:47 PM

Smart man you are troyF

mauchow · 11-01-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Well if they had kicked it instead of going for it previously theyd be up 3 scores instead of 2. Im not for conservative game calling but when your defense has limited the opponent to less than 100 yards offense in a half you need to have faith that they will keep it up. They get too aggressive at then end there Favre fumbles or throws a pic and we're up 11 points instead of the 17 we should have been up. Even with the Vikings crappy pass defense 17 points would be a lot ot come back from.

There are good times to go for it and there are bad times to go for it.

The second fourth down try(where the Packers stopped them) was a bad aggressive call. Take your three and move on. The end of the half you've got 2nd down and you have been driving on the Packers the whole time and then you just give up and take the three with no more real effort.

I will give Childress a break on the failed fourth down because I do like aggression, but I would have gone for the field goal in that situation.

kingfc22 · 11-01-2009, 04:49 PM

Arizona helping out the Niners by getting blown out today. Guess they didn't want a 2 game lead in the division.

Abe Sargent · 11-01-2009, 04:50 PM

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Tennessee	Comp	Att	Yds	Pct	Y/A	Sack	YdsL	TD	Int	Rating
V. Young	11	13	87	84.6	6.7	0	0	1	0	120.2

Playing a team that's rebuilding, doesn't have much depth, was already starting a rookie corner, and now has lost their good corner to injury, and whose secondary wsa already one of the worst in football this season. Not a surprise. Remember what Kurt Warner did to us a few weeks ago?

jbergey22 · 11-01-2009, 04:52 PM

Why do Harvin and Rice seem so much tougher than Berrian? Great grab but damn he is always hurt. Harvin gets blasted every play because he is one of the toughest WRs I have ever seen and he isnt down after every catch.

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mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Please leave thread grammar nazi's! Last edited by mauchow : 11-01-2009 at 04:30 PM.

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TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	If I'm the Packers coach, I either throw a screen, run it or call a designed deep route here. No way in hell do I give Rodgers 5 reads to work through or the offensive line a chance to give up two here.

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jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Green Bays line sucks.

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mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Boy, that Blindside movie looks pretty sweet. Especially since it has Sandra Bullocks as the lead! I'm so pumped to see it!

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mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Here's the great play calling we've grown to love as Vikings fans... gotta love that second down call... and the third down play.

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Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I rewound the DVR and it definitely said that the early games start at 11 AM Eastern/8 Pacific on Fox next week. Odd. I can't remember them ever doing that. Could be a mistake on their commercial, but it even mentioned that it was a special time. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

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mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Wow, didn't even notice 28-7 Panthers over Arizona.

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sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	I haven't had much time to pay attention to the rest of the NFL lately. Has San Francisco been losing all of their games by last minute lucky passes?

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mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I understand what you are saying, Sack.. I think the refs blew the whistle before he stuck the ball out anyways, so they originally called him in from his jump(which actually was pretty close, but imo he made it over... and you're right, it probably could have been called forward progress and down on the inch yard line... if he didn't cross the first time. Last edited by mauchow : 11-01-2009 at 04:50 PM.

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Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Just saw the same commercial again. I think it is just Fox being misleading and that their pre-game show is starting early and is 2 hours long. Is it usually 2 hours long? I'm guessing that is what is starting at 11 AM Eastern. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

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TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	That missed call in last weeks game still doesn't get enough play either. Yes, Favre turned it over twice. (partial blame on the second), but they had a TD on the play before taken away by a phantom penalty. There were a ton of Favre questions at the start of the year: 1) Was it worth the Vikings signing him? 2) Could he lead the Vikings to the Super Bowl? 3) Did they overpay him? 4) Could he still play? I think we can answer three of the four. Question 1 is yes, it was clearly worth signing him. If he blows out his knee in the second half, it's still hard to argue the Vikings weren't better off with him than without him. I don't think they win the first GB game without him. I don't think they beat the Niners without him. Ditto the Ravens. It's obvious that with him they have a chance to go far, without him they'd be exactly what they were last year (a good, not great team that would get dumped early in the playoffs) Question 3 is no. A lot of teams would be willing to pay someone Favre's contract for the numbers he's putting up. Question 4 is unequivocal at this point. Yes, he can still play. He can play on the road against good teams. He can play at home. He has his arm strength. He's playing smarter. He's a top 10 QB in the league right now. Even if you told the Vikings he'd get hurt in week 9, I think they'd still sign him.

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jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Smart man you are troyF

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jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Why do Harvin and Rice seem so much tougher than Berrian? Great grab but damn he is always hurt. Harvin gets blasted every play because he is one of the toughest WRs I have ever seen and he isnt down after every catch. Last edited by jbergey22 : 11-01-2009 at 04:53 PM.

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