The thread of the 2008-2009 NBA Season - Page 6

Karlifornia · 02-18-2009, 07:12 PM

Micheal Ruffin is still in the league?

Coffee Warlord · 02-18-2009, 07:23 PM

As a benchwarmer/injured list player with an expiring contract.

rjolley · 02-18-2009, 08:20 PM

Ruffin was then shipped off to Portland for Ike Diogu and cash.

Anthony · 02-18-2009, 08:30 PM

i just want the Knicks to ship Lee and Robinson off the team just so they can package Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries along with them and basically start the clock for the 2010 bonanza.

sooner333 · 02-18-2009, 10:19 PM

Well, nevermind. The Thunder didn't clear Chandler medically.

Karlifornia · 02-18-2009, 10:29 PM

Warriors up one on the Lakeshow in the 2nd quarter. The Warriors season is pretty much over already, but I really want this win.

stevew · 02-18-2009, 10:52 PM

Danny ferry needs to make me proud tomorrow. I hope for Camby and dream of Amare. I sure hope he keeps JJ and Andy unless its for Amare. JJ is gonna be a stud in 2 years.

Groundhog · 02-18-2009, 10:57 PM

Well, I'd take Amare if we kept one of Andy or JJ (pref. JJ of course, but Phoenix aren't going to give Amare away, either).

stevew · 02-18-2009, 11:09 PM

There must be Something seriously wrong with Chandler cause that was a good trade for the Sonics

sooner333 · 02-18-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

There must be Something seriously wrong with Chandler cause that was a good trade for the Sonics

Yeah, it looks like the Thunder's doctors found some kind of turf toe condition that couldn't be operated on but could effect him essentially for the entire length of the contract. I guess it's not worth it to take on the salary for a couple of possible worthless years. Especially when they can try and use it in the offseason and with the young nucleus of talent, it might be easier to convince a free agent that winning is closer than you might have thought.

stevew · 02-18-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Well, I'd take Amare if we kept one of Andy or JJ (pref. JJ of course, but Phoenix aren't going to give Amare away, either).

I don't have the contracts in front of me but if we could send out enough to take back JRich and Amare and crap and get them under the lux tax I'd basically do any combo of picks and players not named LeBron.

DaddyTorgo · 02-18-2009, 11:53 PM

i think with phoenix back to the running game they're even less likely to deal amare

Karlifornia · 02-19-2009, 12:02 AM

..and the Warriors are about to lose. Just not enough....hopefully they luck out in the lottery this offseason.

LloydLungs · 02-19-2009, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Yeah, it looks like the Thunder's doctors found some kind of turf toe condition that couldn't be operated on but could effect him essentially for the entire length of the contract. I guess it's not worth it to take on the salary for a couple of possible worthless years.

I've been saying all year that Chandler had to be playing with a chronic injury. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out for anyone who's watched the Hornets closely this year. At age 26, his performance mysteriously cratered. It was very likely something was wrong. The Hornets were trying to sneak him and his $12 mil out the door before he became untradeable. Didn't happen -- OKC figured it out. This is why y'all got him so cheap.

But not before a solid 24-hour national media cycle of "OMG OMG the Hornets are broke, New Orleans can't support two franchises, OMG OMG Seattle OMG they traded Chandler for nothing RELOCATION OMG KANSAS CITY OMG!!!"

I want to pull my hair out sometimes over this stuff. I truly hate the media.

Of course, NOW we're in trouble, with now four untradeable big contracts and no apparent way out of luxury tax hell.

RainMaker · 02-19-2009, 02:13 AM

My Bulls trading Gooden, Simmons, Nocioni, and Ruffin for Salmons and Miller is a little odd. None of the guys in the deal really hurt them in the 2010 class and it seems like a deal to not be pressured into overpaying for someone at the end of this season. Nocioni has been one of my favorite players over the past few seasons, will miss watching him play.

The rumors of getting Bosh had me real excited. Figure Rose and him could make a poor man's Parker and Duncan in the East. But I'm guessing it's probably smart for them to wait till 2010 and have a shot at some of the big names coming out. Really glad they didn't get suckered into an Amare deal.

MikeVic · 02-19-2009, 09:09 AM

Suns appear to have scored 140+ in back-to-back games since getting rid of Porter? I know the opponents weren't great, but that's still fun to see.

Coffee Warlord · 02-19-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

My Bulls trading Gooden, Simmons, Nocioni, and Ruffin for Salmons and Miller is a little odd. None of the guys in the deal really hurt them in the 2010 class and it seems like a deal to not be pressured into overpaying for someone at the end of this season. Nocioni has been one of my favorite players over the past few seasons, will miss watching him play.

I always dug Nocioni, but he hasn't been the same this year. Whether that's our Please Dear God Fire Him coach or just the team chemistry, dunno.

BUT, on salary sides, Miller's contract expires for the 2010 class, and Fishboy could be a great longer-term pickup. So it's does position them for the big crop. I'm betting another trade is in order before the dealine as well (though I'm gonna be pissed if they dump Hinrich.)

stevew · 02-19-2009, 11:50 AM

Does Shaq and JRich for Pavs, Big Ben, and Wally work on the trade Machine? That puts us over the top IMO and its realistic given the Suns financial concerns.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 02-19-2009, 11:54 AM

Yes, it works, though I would be surprised in Phoenix was willing to go that far.

Neuqua · 02-19-2009, 12:02 PM

Reports are Bulls trade Larry Hughes to the Knicks for Tim Thomas and Jerome James

stevew · 02-19-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Yes, it works, though I would be surprised in Phoenix was willing to go that far.

I think it puts them under the lux tax the next two years. I'd even throw in the Cavs first this year cause it makes us a ton better.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 02-19-2009, 12:21 PM

Yeah, but they get their relief without trading Richardson. Seems like a lot for them to give up, and your first is not worth all that much anyway.

Coffee Warlord · 02-19-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuqua

Reports are Bulls trade Larry Hughes to the Knicks for Tim Thomas and Jerome James

So they're trading one player they threw on the inactive list and ignored for a player they threw on the inactive list and ignored a couple seasons ago?

Arles · 02-19-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Does Shaq and JRich for Pavs, Big Ben, and Wally work on the trade Machine? That puts us over the top IMO and its realistic given the Suns financial concerns.

Suns won't be making any moves until the offseason. The 35 cents for the dollar deals will be just as available then

Although, if the Suns could move Shaq for Wally's expiring and Pavlovic, I'd consider it.

Arles · 02-19-2009, 01:01 PM

Tim Thomas back to the Bulls in big deal:

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The Chicago Bulls made their second big trade in two days on Thursday, agreeing to send Larry Hughes to the Knicks for Jerome James, Tim Thomas and Anthony Roberson, two league sources told ESPN.com.

Sources: New York Knicks acquire Larry Hughes, send 3 to Chicago Bulls - ESPN

Coffee Warlord · 02-19-2009, 01:10 PM

I still can't imagine Thomas having any interest in playing in Chicago.

rjolley · 02-19-2009, 01:14 PM

What are the contracts of the players the Bulls have acquired over the past 24 hours?

stevew · 02-19-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Suns won't be making any moves until the offseason. The 35 cents for the dollar deals will be just as available then

Although, if the Suns could move Shaq for Wally's expiring and Pavlovic, I'd consider it.

That's unrealistic cause we would be paying close to 40 million to have shaq next year. At least including Big Ben makes it more like 26 after lux tax

JeeberD · 02-19-2009, 02:13 PM

Marc Stein: Looks like we have a fairly significant three-way deal that has been submitted to the league just before the trade deadline.

NBA front-office sources tell ESPN.com that Orlando is acquiring Rafer Alston from Houston to fill the void created at point guard by Jameer Nelson's shoulder injury.

The Rockets will receive Memphis guard Kyle Lowry, Orlando forward Brian Cook and perhaps two other minimum-salaried players to make the finances work.

The Grizzlies will receive a first-round pick from Orlando.

-----------

As much as I dislike Rafer...meh.

JeeberD · 02-19-2009, 02:19 PM

Dola-

Though supposedly there is a second Rockets trade needing approval.

*crosses fingers*

sterlingice · 02-19-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Dola-

Though supposedly there is a second Rockets trade needing approval.

*crosses fingers*

Yeah, that original trade is a whole lot of "eh". As soon as T-Mac was out for the season, we're first round and done again.

Any word on the other deal?

SI

JeeberD · 02-19-2009, 02:37 PM

Nothing firm yet, though there's lots of speculation that it may be Landry on the way out since we picked up Cook.

Though I don't necessarily agree with the "As soon as T-Mac was out for the season, we're first round and done again" line. We've played much better without him this season...

JonInMiddleGA · 02-19-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Though I don't necessarily agree with the "As soon as T-Mac was out for the season, we're first round and done again" line. We've played much better without him this season...

That's one of those random comments that triggers my curiosity, so off I go to look it up.

Rockets record without McGrady this year: 13-6
Rockets record with McGrady this year: 20-15

I'm sure opponents & situations probably play a role in that but your observation appears closer to the mark than I would have guessed for sure.

Honolulu_Blue · 02-19-2009, 02:54 PM

You know, every year there is this big build up to the NBA trade deadline. It's all over the internet and sports shows. ESPN has that trade analyzer thing for months. It always seems, however, like no big deals are ever made and every deadline is "anticlimactic."

Is that really the case? Has there been traditionally a lot of movement at the deadline? Big deals? Or a large number of smaller deals?

gstelmack · 02-19-2009, 02:55 PM

I'm still trying to figure out how T-Mac's playoff history makes you think that having him on the roster ensures a second round playoff appearance, given that he's NEVER advanced that far in his entire career.

sterlingice · 02-19-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

I'm still trying to figure out how T-Mac's playoff history makes you think that having him on the roster ensures a second round playoff appearance, given that he's NEVER advanced that far in his entire career.

I don't necessarily think it's "TMac = better playoff team". It's that with TMac we have a better team than without him, I think, and I think we had a good enough team to make it to the second round this year whereas we haven't in the past

SI

sterlingice · 02-19-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

You know, every year there is this big build up to the NBA trade deadline. It's all over the internet and sports shows. ESPN has that trade analyzer thing for months. It always seems, however, like no big deals are ever made and every deadline is "anticlimactic."

Is that really the case? Has there been traditionally a lot of movement at the deadline? Big deals? Or a large number of smaller deals?

Isn't that pretty much true of the trade deadline in baseball and hockey, too (football's cap making big trades unlikely and at the deadline, moreso)?

SI

Logan · 02-19-2009, 03:06 PM

From Hollinger's column grading the trades, I laughed at the analysis of the Knicks picking up Hughes:

"The good news is that the trade gives them a true 2-guard for the first time since they traded Jamal Crawford, so that will help balance out the roster. The bad news is that it's Larry Hughes."

In case anyone would like to read the full thing:
John Hollinger: Trade grades - ESPN

Neuqua · 02-19-2009, 03:17 PM

More reports saying Bulls trade Thabo Sefolosha to the Thunder for a 1st round pick. (They have 3 in the upcoming draft, the Bulls will receive the worst one.)

Solid trade for the Bulls I think, I was a big fan of Thabo but he just is not panning out. We should pick somewhere in the 15-20 range, which is where we drafted him at.

hoopsguy · 02-19-2009, 03:58 PM

OK, so from what I'm hearing the Bulls are left with the following:

Guards: Rose, Hinrich, Salmons, Gordon (gone after year?)
Forwards: Deng, Ty. Thomas, Ti. Thomas, Noah
Centers: Miller, James, Gray
Picks: 1st from OKC (non-lottery in bad draft)

I do not know the contract stuff on Tim Thomas and James, but this is a pretty ugly roster. I guess it is not exactly a murderers row of teams competing for the 8th spot in the East, but that roster does not feel remotely close.

Coffee Warlord · 02-19-2009, 04:00 PM

Thomas and James both expire in 2010. As does Miller, and Salmons has an option.

So, if I'm right, 2010 for the Bulls...

G: Rose, Hinrich, Gordon if he resigns, Salmons if he resigns.
F: Deng, Tyrus
C: Noah, Gray

They should be primed for the FA crop, though it's gonna be ugly in the meantime.

Neuqua · 02-19-2009, 04:04 PM

I think we're pretty much joining the 2010 FA bonanza and hoping the lure of playing in Chicago with a developed Derrick Rose will entice Stoudemire or Bosh to sign here.

Groundhog · 02-19-2009, 04:07 PM

HOLY SHIT JEROME JAMES GOT MOVED. BIGGEST TRADE DEADLINE MOVE EVER/

Honolulu_Blue · 02-19-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Isn't that pretty much true of the trade deadline in baseball and hockey, too (football's cap making big trades unlikely and at the deadline, moreso)?

SI

That's not true at all with the NHL. There tends to be a LOT of movement on the NHL deadline day. Sure, not everyone who is rumored to be traded actually ends up getting traded and the cap limits potential deals, but even over the last few "cap era" deadline days a lot of trades are made and a lot of players are moved.

Here's a link that provides the number of trades and players moved on the deadline day since 1980:

http://www.tsn.ca/tradecentre/feature/?id=10407

Here are the numbers for the last 10 years:

1997-98	March 24, 1998	19	38
1998-99	March 23, 1999	21	30
1999-00	March 14, 2000	12	23
2000-01	March 13, 2001	17	31
2001-02	March 19, 2002	17	35
2002-03	March 11, 2003	24	46
2003-04	March 9, 2004	20	32
2005-06	March 9, 2006	25	40
2006-07	February 27, 2007	25	44
2007-08	February 26, 2008	25	45

The first number is the number of trades, the second number is the number of players moved. 25 trades and 45 players moved in one day is pretty significant.

stevew · 02-19-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

You know, every year there is this big build up to the NBA trade deadline. It's all over the internet and sports shows. ESPN has that trade analyzer thing for months. It always seems, however, like no big deals are ever made and every deadline is "anticlimactic."

Is that really the case? Has there been traditionally a lot of movement at the deadline? Big deals? Or a large number of smaller deals?

Along the same lines, I was trying to figure out the last team that won a title with a key max salary FA as their centerpiece. Other than Shaq.

Groundhog · 02-19-2009, 04:45 PM

I'm dissapointed that the Cavs weren't able to get something done, especially since they apparently didn't mind at all bringing on excess salaries. I'm not surprised though. I think the Suns were our best shot, both Shaq and Amar'e (what's with that ' anyway), but I think they'd likely just be happy to see how they go for the rest of the year with a new coach given their performance of late.

I actually think Larry Hughes, if healthy (a massive if), could fit in well in New York. They play a far similar style of ball to the one that Hughes flourished in at Washington.

Don't quite get the Hou-Griz-Orlando trade. I guess Lowry's contract expires before Alston? I actually don't mind Lowry, and I think he'll be an OK performer on a better team than the Grizz. I'm assuming Brooks is the starter in Houston now, and I'll be interested to see how he does in that role.

stevew · 02-19-2009, 05:17 PM

Bulls fans have to be excited to see gooden and Hughes out the door.

Groundhog · 02-19-2009, 05:32 PM

Yup. Gooden proved to a whole new crowd that stats don't come close to telling the whole story.

Sublime 2 · 02-19-2009, 05:44 PM

I'm guessing the Celts court Mikki Moore hard! Joe Smith could still be released, but I think it would be risky for DA to wait on Joe, when there's a viable backup Center out there. I like Joe a little more, but I remember Moore terrorizing the C's when he was playing for the Nets, and he'd be better than the lifeless ex-C Patrick O'Bryant.

Then it's all about waiting for Marbury to get bought out and join the Celts. I've never been a huge fan of Marbury, but he'd unquestionably provide a ball handling and scoring backup pg that the second unit desperately needs. I fully consider Eddie a 2 at this point, and in no way a good fit for pg.

RainMaker · 02-19-2009, 05:52 PM

I still don't get why Cleveland is not going all out considering Lebron is as good as gone in 2 years.

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Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Micheal Ruffin is still in the league? __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

02-18-2009, 08:30 PM	#254
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i just want the Knicks to ship Lee and Robinson off the team just so they can package Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries along with them and basically start the clock for the 2010 bonanza. Last edited by Anthony : 02-18-2009 at 08:30 PM.

02-18-2009, 10:29 PM	#256
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Warriors up one on the Lakeshow in the 2nd quarter. The Warriors season is pretty much over already, but I really want this win. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

02-18-2009, 10:57 PM	#258
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Well, I'd take Amare if we kept one of Andy or JJ (pref. JJ of course, but Phoenix aren't going to give Amare away, either). __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-19-2009, 12:02 AM	#263
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	..and the Warriors are about to lose. Just not enough....hopefully they luck out in the lottery this offseason. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

02-18-2009, 07:23 PM	#252
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	As a benchwarmer/injured list player with an expiring contract.

02-18-2009, 08:20 PM	#253
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Ruffin was then shipped off to Portland for Ike Diogu and cash.

02-18-2009, 10:19 PM	#255
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Well, nevermind. The Thunder didn't clear Chandler medically.

02-18-2009, 10:52 PM	#257
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Danny ferry needs to make me proud tomorrow. I hope for Camby and dream of Amare. I sure hope he keeps JJ and Andy unless its for Amare. JJ is gonna be a stud in 2 years.

02-18-2009, 11:09 PM	#259
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	There must be Something seriously wrong with Chandler cause that was a good trade for the Sonics

02-18-2009, 11:53 PM	#262
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i think with phoenix back to the running game they're even less likely to deal amare

02-19-2009, 02:13 AM	#265
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	My Bulls trading Gooden, Simmons, Nocioni, and Ruffin for Salmons and Miller is a little odd. None of the guys in the deal really hurt them in the 2010 class and it seems like a deal to not be pressured into overpaying for someone at the end of this season. Nocioni has been one of my favorite players over the past few seasons, will miss watching him play. The rumors of getting Bosh had me real excited. Figure Rose and him could make a poor man's Parker and Duncan in the East. But I'm guessing it's probably smart for them to wait till 2010 and have a shot at some of the big names coming out. Really glad they didn't get suckered into an Amare deal.

02-19-2009, 09:09 AM	#266
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Suns appear to have scored 140+ in back-to-back games since getting rid of Porter? I know the opponents weren't great, but that's still fun to see.

02-19-2009, 11:50 AM	#268
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Does Shaq and JRich for Pavs, Big Ben, and Wally work on the trade Machine? That puts us over the top IMO and its realistic given the Suns financial concerns.

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02-19-2009, 12:02 PM	#270
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Reports are Bulls trade Larry Hughes to the Knicks for Tim Thomas and Jerome James __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

02-19-2009, 12:21 PM	#272
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Yeah, but they get their relief without trading Richardson. Seems like a lot for them to give up, and your first is not worth all that much anyway. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

02-19-2009, 01:10 PM	#276
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	I still can't imagine Thomas having any interest in playing in Chicago.

02-19-2009, 01:14 PM	#277
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	What are the contracts of the players the Bulls have acquired over the past 24 hours?

02-19-2009, 02:13 PM	#279
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Marc Stein: Looks like we have a fairly significant three-way deal that has been submitted to the league just before the trade deadline. NBA front-office sources tell ESPN.com that Orlando is acquiring Rafer Alston from Houston to fill the void created at point guard by Jameer Nelson's shoulder injury. The Rockets will receive Memphis guard Kyle Lowry, Orlando forward Brian Cook and perhaps two other minimum-salaried players to make the finances work. The Grizzlies will receive a first-round pick from Orlando. ----------- As much as I dislike Rafer...meh. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-19-2009, 02:19 PM	#280
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Dola- Though supposedly there is a second Rockets trade needing approval. crosses fingers __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-19-2009, 02:37 PM	#282
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Nothing firm yet, though there's lots of speculation that it may be Landry on the way out since we picked up Cook. Though I don't necessarily agree with the "As soon as T-Mac was out for the season, we're first round and done again" line. We've played much better without him this season... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-19-2009, 02:54 PM	#284
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02-19-2009, 02:55 PM	#285
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02-19-2009, 03:06 PM	#288
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	From Hollinger's column grading the trades, I laughed at the analysis of the Knicks picking up Hughes: "The good news is that the trade gives them a true 2-guard for the first time since they traded Jamal Crawford, so that will help balance out the roster. The bad news is that it's Larry Hughes." In case anyone would like to read the full thing: John Hollinger: Trade grades - ESPN

02-19-2009, 03:17 PM	#289
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	More reports saying Bulls trade Thabo Sefolosha to the Thunder for a 1st round pick. (They have 3 in the upcoming draft, the Bulls will receive the worst one.) Solid trade for the Bulls I think, I was a big fan of Thabo but he just is not panning out. We should pick somewhere in the 15-20 range, which is where we drafted him at. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

02-19-2009, 03:58 PM	#290
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, so from what I'm hearing the Bulls are left with the following: Guards: Rose, Hinrich, Salmons, Gordon (gone after year?) Forwards: Deng, Ty. Thomas, Ti. Thomas, Noah Centers: Miller, James, Gray Picks: 1st from OKC (non-lottery in bad draft) I do not know the contract stuff on Tim Thomas and James, but this is a pretty ugly roster. I guess it is not exactly a murderers row of teams competing for the 8th spot in the East, but that roster does not feel remotely close.

02-19-2009, 04:00 PM	#291
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Thomas and James both expire in 2010. As does Miller, and Salmons has an option. So, if I'm right, 2010 for the Bulls... G: Rose, Hinrich, Gordon if he resigns, Salmons if he resigns. F: Deng, Tyrus C: Noah, Gray They should be primed for the FA crop, though it's gonna be ugly in the meantime. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 02-19-2009 at 04:05 PM.

02-19-2009, 04:04 PM	#292
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	I think we're pretty much joining the 2010 FA bonanza and hoping the lure of playing in Chicago with a developed Derrick Rose will entice Stoudemire or Bosh to sign here. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

02-19-2009, 04:07 PM	#293
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02-19-2009, 04:45 PM	#296
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	I'm dissapointed that the Cavs weren't able to get something done, especially since they apparently didn't mind at all bringing on excess salaries. I'm not surprised though. I think the Suns were our best shot, both Shaq and Amar'e (what's with that ' anyway), but I think they'd likely just be happy to see how they go for the rest of the year with a new coach given their performance of late. I actually think Larry Hughes, if healthy (a massive if), could fit in well in New York. They play a far similar style of ball to the one that Hughes flourished in at Washington. Don't quite get the Hou-Griz-Orlando trade. I guess Lowry's contract expires before Alston? I actually don't mind Lowry, and I think he'll be an OK performer on a better team than the Grizz. I'm assuming Brooks is the starter in Houston now, and I'll be interested to see how he does in that role. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-19-2009, 05:17 PM	#297
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Bulls fans have to be excited to see gooden and Hughes out the door.

02-19-2009, 05:32 PM	#298
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Yup. Gooden proved to a whole new crowd that stats don't come close to telling the whole story. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-19-2009, 05:44 PM	#299
Sublime 2 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Hampshire	I'm guessing the Celts court Mikki Moore hard! Joe Smith could still be released, but I think it would be risky for DA to wait on Joe, when there's a viable backup Center out there. I like Joe a little more, but I remember Moore terrorizing the C's when he was playing for the Nets, and he'd be better than the lifeless ex-C Patrick O'Bryant. Then it's all about waiting for Marbury to get bought out and join the Celts. I've never been a huge fan of Marbury, but he'd unquestionably provide a ball handling and scoring backup pg that the second unit desperately needs. I fully consider Eddie a 2 at this point, and in no way a good fit for pg.

02-19-2009, 05:52 PM	#300
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I still don't get why Cleveland is not going all out considering Lebron is as good as gone in 2 years.