NFL Week 13

[MikeVic]

Would you be happy if everyone was forced to get domes and artificial turf? Maybe wear more padding so they don't get injured? Some kind of mechanical device to stop a leg from bending the other way so it never breaks?

If you're a good football player, you should be able to play on crappy grass.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Would you be happy if everyone was forced to get domes and artificial turf? Maybe wear more padding so they don't get injured? Some kind of mechanical device to stop a leg from bending the other way so it never breaks?

If you're a good football player, you should be able to play on crappy grass.

Grass is being kind referring to the composition of that field.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Would you be happy if everyone was forced to get domes and artificial turf? Maybe wear more padding so they don't get injured? Some kind of mechanical device to stop a leg from bending the other way so it never breaks?

If you're a good football player, you should be able to play on crappy grass.

Then bring back Veterans Stadium!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Would you be happy if everyone was forced to get domes and artificial turf?

Personally I couldn't give less of a damn if all NFL games were played indoors, the impact on my life would be nil. I don't think I've ever paid to be any more miserable than sitting through one NFL game in person & that was indoors. I can't imagine how much worse it would have been to be that bored and cold at the same time.

edit to add: Come to think of it though, those tickets were free ... but somebody should have paid me for those hours of my life I'll never get back.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Then bring back Veterans Stadium!

Veterans Stadium. Yikes. I'm sure that many players got torn up on that field, but the one that always stood out to me was the Bears' Wendell Davis. As I remember it, his cleats got caught in a seam in the turf as he was running a deep post route. Both of his kneecaps ended up halfway up his thighs. That was pretty much the end of his career.

[JonInMiddleGA]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Davis
Davis currently owns and operates a franchise of a barber shops called "Big League Barbers" located in Riverwoods, Illinois. Currently he is a defensive coach for the Maize High School in Maize, Ks. Right next to Wichita, Ks.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Veterans Stadium. Yikes. I'm sure that many players got torn up on that field, but the one that always stood out to me was the Bears' Wendell Davis. As I remember it, his cleats got caught in a seam in the turf as he was running a deep post route. Both of his kneecaps ended up halfway up his thighs. That was pretty much the end of his career.

I remember that one

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

I heard Madden make the point that it's football, since when did it have to be played on some pristine field? I agree completely, the whole point of football is that it is brutal and messy, and the team that can outplay the other one, regardless of circumstance, is the better team that day. All this crying about the field is kind of sad.

It's not 1960 or 1970 anymore. They have now actually invented quality fake turf. Guys aren't paid $35,000 to play the game anymore. Teams invest multi-millions. It's a worldwide product now that doesn't gain anything by having a crappy game played on a crappy field.

It's one thing if you've done all you could but it still snows during the game creating havoc. Nothing you can do there. Here, it's preventable with the simple installation of Field Turf. In this day and age, it's a joke. Simple as that.

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

It's one thing if you've done all you could but it still snows during the game creating havoc. Nothing you can do there.

You could cover the field and delay/postpone the game like baseball couldn't you?

I'm not advocating crappy fields by design. I just think that it's a bit much to freak out because one or two games are played on a bad field.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I've only been in the Pittsburgh area for a little over two years now, but from what I've seen, the bad weather is pretty common around here. I don't understand why they would build Heinz Field and not put the FieldTurf in, especially when Pitt also plays there, as well as high school championship games. That field needs to stay in good shape. Maybe you could get away with it in a drier climate, but it just doesn't make sense here.

I don't get it.

[Lathum]

The problem I have is the stadium is 6 years old and the field plays like that.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The problem I have is the stadium is 6 years old and the field plays like that.

were you expecting super grass?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The problem I have is the stadium is 6 years old and the field plays like that.

The turf in Gillette stadium was shit in like 4 years, so it's not like this is the only place it's happened. Teams this far north probably shouldn't be playing on Grass unfortunately. I suspect this will change this offseason, and the league will strongly "suggest" that they install fieldturf. Besides, I think the Steelers offense would generally perform better on a more uniform surface.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by stevew

The turf in Gillette stadium was shit in like 4 years, so it's not like this is the only place it's happened. Teams this far north probably shouldn't be playing on Grass unfortunately. I suspect this will change this offseason, and the league will strongly "suggest" that they install fieldturf. Besides, I think the Steelers offense would generally perform better on a more uniform surface.

Yup, after the big hue and cry over the Patriots (especially the gamesmanship when Indy came to town), they put fieldturf in right away. Not sure why that wasn't when the league mandated it...

[RendeR]

The NFL should mandate FieldTurf, its been show to play and react just like natural grass and it saves the teams millions per season in field reconstruction and maintenance.

No excuse for the playing conditions in Pittsburgh this season.

Is it any wonder that people equate the steelers with Ugly?

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by RendeR

The NFL should mandate FieldTurf, its been show to play and react just like natural grass and it saves the teams millions per season in field reconstruction and maintenance.

No excuse for the playing conditions in Pittsburgh this season.

Is it any wonder that people equate the steelers with Ugly?

Hasn't it been two games this year with bad field? And I'd say last night's game was not that bad.

Who are these people? That's the first I've heard of it.

[stevew]

Carson Palmer really isn't that bad, it was just the field that made him suck. Bengals fans can relax, and start thinking about the draft.

-ugly steeler fan

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Hasn't it been two games this year with bad field? And I'd say last night's game was not that bad.

Who are these people? That's the first I've heard of it.

Last night's game didn't se that bad until you watch some of the route running by recievers on both sides. From the clips a good 1/4 of every route got ruined by the receiver slipping or the turf coming out from under him.

Good example was TJ trying to cut back to his right on a deep-out and a chunk of sid about 2 feet square just slid out of place under his foot.

I don't disagree that it is football and the elements shoul be part of the game, but the turf itself wasn't suitable for a backyard pick-up game the last two weeks in;Pitt and that should force them to take a long hard look at how they maintain their field.

Field Turf would have allowedthe elements (winter weather) to affect the game without the turf itself being such a negative factor.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by stevew

Carson Palmer really isn't that bad, it was just the field that made him suck. Bengals fans can relax, and start thinking about the draft.

-ugly steeler fan

Actually in the second half carson was awful, throwing high and wide of every reciever.The field made everyone suck. This isn't about making excuses for the Bengals losing, this is about a pathetic excuse for a football field preperation by a professional franchise. It makes the Steelers look terrible to play games on turf that bad.


As for the game, Meh, we got beat, we won the turnover battle and just couldn't do anything on offense. Our passing game uses 3 plays and they run them so many times the defense can't be in the wrong place and we get nowhere.

Not even going to discuss our Defense and its utter lack of....well...existance.

Bleh.


Now about you being ugly...that I'll let stand, its your own opinion so I won't bother correcting you.

[MikeVic]

Ohhhh you're a Bengal fan. Yeah, I agree the field made everyone a bit less than their optimal self. With a pristine field, it might have been 48-10. And this is without Holmes and Polamalu. Ouch.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Ohhhh you're a Bengal fan. Yeah, I agree the field made everyone a bit less than their optimal self. With a pristine field, it might have been 48-10. And this is without Holmes and Polamalu. Ouch.

Whatever, go troll someone who cares.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Whatever, go troll someone who cares.

How am I a troll? You're the one that said people say the Steelers are equated with ugly.

Eh, whatever. I don't think I even know what trolling means so I'll leave it.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

It's not 1960 or 1970 anymore. They have now actually invented quality fake turf. Guys aren't paid $35,000 to play the game anymore. Teams invest multi-millions. It's a worldwide product now that doesn't gain anything by having a crappy game played on a crappy field.

It's one thing if you've done all you could but it still snows during the game creating havoc. Nothing you can do there. Here, it's preventable with the simple installation of Field Turf. In this day and age, it's a joke. Simple as that.

But if football is entertainment, what's to gain from everyone having a perfect field? It's a joke in the sense that The Steelers can't figure out how to get it right, but every time I see a game where the field conditions are an issue, it's just way more fun the a regular game, and I wonder if this is the last time we'll ever see something like that.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by molson

But if football is entertainment, what's to gain from everyone having a perfect field? It's a joke in the sense that The Steelers can't figure out how to get it right, but every time I see a game where the field conditions are an issue, it's just way more fun the a regular game, and I wonder if this is the last time we'll ever see something like that.

So you're of the opinion thatthe itt-Miami game last week in the flood-bowl was more entertaining that a game played in good conditions?

yep, 3-0 and 20 some odd 3 and outs is entertaining. Come on now.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by molson

But if football is entertainment, what's to gain from everyone having a perfect field?

I would think it is more entertaining being able to see players able to play to their maximum ability as opposed to sliding all over the place.

[molson]

Originally Posted by RendeR

So you're of the opinion thatthe itt-Miami game last week in the flood-bowl was more entertaining that a game played in good conditions?

Every once in a while - yes. If it's raining and snowing, I want to that to impact the game in some say, not come up with technology that makes the weather elements obsolete.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I would think it is more entertaining being able to see players able to play to their maximum ability as opposed to sliding all over the place.

Would you want every game played in a dome? Even field turf is slowing players down v. artifical turf. Not to mention wind.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by molson

Every once in a while - yes. If it's raining and snowing, I want to that to impact the game in some say, not come up with technology that makes the weather elements obsolete.

The weather didn't have all that much to do with it because I'm guessing sod on top of sod would've made a mess with the rain or not. That was just very poor field management by the Steelers or the city of Pittsburgh...whoever was responsible for the debacle.

[Huckleberry]

It was definitely the insane amount of rain. What they tried has worked before.

Buncha crybabies, IMO. Play the game you pansies. Reminds me of major league infielders complaining about a bad hop. I'd like to see them take infield at the average local high school field. You know, like they used to.

I'm all in favor of less than ideal conditions. The Miami @ Pittsburgh game was perfect. Shitty field but no increased chance of injury because nobody could plant worth a shit. Not to mention that the ground was softer than normal.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by molson

Every once in a while - yes. If it's raining and snowing, I want to that to impact the game in some say, not come up with technology that makes the weather elements obsolete.

I'm guessing the ratings for that Pittsburgh-Miami game, especially after the 1st Q were abyssmal.

[Buccaneer]

Too many wusses here that grew up thinking everything should be and look like a video game.

[molson]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I'm guessing the ratings for that Pittsburgh-Miami game, especially after the 1st Q were abyssmal.

I have no idea, but typically football games with various weather-related issues have done very well in the ratings, and are also remembered fondly (fog bowl, Pats/Raiders in a blizzard).

I just like variety in my sports - outdoor pro hockey, old baseball parks with weird configurations, muddy football fields, ect. Aren't there hundreds and hundreds of "normal" games - if that's what some people prefer, can't they just be happy with those 99.5% and not freak out when one game goes against the norm a little?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Too many wusses here that grew up thinking everything should be and look like a video game.

Yep, they should play on dirt with rocks and stuff! Those damned wusses... wanting grass!

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by molson

I have no idea, but typically football games with various weather-related issues have done very well in the ratings, and are also remembered fondly (fog bowl, Pats/Raiders in a blizzard).

Interestingly both didn't have horrible playing surfaces, which is something controllable .

What does it say that the blizzard game had better grass (well, once they cleared the snow off ) than the Pittsburgh ones?

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Yep, they should play on dirt with rocks and stuff! Those damned wusses... wanting grass!

You mean like all those games that were played in shared stadiums that had a bare infield??? The horror.

[MikeVic]

I'm with Bucc and molson 100% on this one. Do you guys seriously want a green pristine playing surface for EVERY football game? If we had that, the Bucs might have been 4-time Super Bowl champs by now...

I don't know if this is an argument for field quality or weather conditions anymore. And as for field turf, I don't know, I like knowing there's real grass still being played on.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I'm guessing the ratings for that Pittsburgh-Miami game, especially after the 1st Q were abyssmal.

I didn't watch that game but I can safely say that it had nothing to do with the turf conditions. I wonder how many Miami games this year had great ratings beyond the 1Q. Personally speaking, I love seeing weather conditions play a part in the game.. I love watching a football game be played in snow or fog or floods or whatever. As long as it is not a danger hazard (such as lightning) or such, I'm all for a good ole mud bowl.

Since I didn't see the game, I can't comment on how much of it was weather vs poor turf management.. obviously they should do everything they can to try to have a presentable field, but chalk me up as someone who loves a good ole fashioned mud brawl when the weather dictates.

[finkenst]

omg..
brady and manning the best because they understand the game

wth are you talking about?

[Sublime 2]

I can't stand Emmit Smith, the commentator. Emmit the football player was great, but my God I hope ESPN doesn't bring him back.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Sublime 2

I can't stand Emmit Smith, the commentator. Emmit the football player was great, but my God I hope ESPN doesn't bring him back.

what about Emmit the dancer?

[Sublime 2]

Originally Posted by Lathum

what about Emmit the dancer?

sexy

[SirFozzie]

1st and Inches.. *snerks*

[SirFozzie]

credit where credit is due.. Great play by Ray Lewis

[SirFozzie]

ARGGHH.. 4 points right off the board. Ben Watson makes that catch 98 times out of 100.

[larrymcg421]

Ugh. 15 yards is like 150 yards for Kyle Boller.

[kingfc22]

Which direction the teams are going on the field will play a huge role otnight if the wind keeps up like it is.

[SirFozzie]

Yarghhh.. great job by Boller to get away, great throw, and the missed INT chance

[larrymcg421]

Too early to dream?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Too early to dream?

yes. Give the pats a quarter with the wind at THEIR back

[kingfc22]

Why is Gaffney still on the Pats?