2006 MLB Thread - Page 6

primelord · 04-26-2006, 06:19 PM

So should they just give Pujols the MVP again now?

JeeberD · 04-26-2006, 06:25 PM

Nah, I think it's Morgan Ensberg's turn...

primelord · 04-26-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Nah, I think it's Morgan Ensberg's turn...

Put him in a real ball park and maybe there is some discussion there. Although even playing in that ridiculous stadium his numbers aren't as good.

JeeberD · 04-26-2006, 07:22 PM

Such a ridiculous argument. It's amazing how dominant our starting pitching has been in that "joke of a ballpark". If it's so easy to put up big numbers there then why aren't the teams we're playing doing it?

JeeberD · 04-26-2006, 10:12 PM

Wandy Rodriguez joins the 4-0 club!

primelord · 04-26-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Such a ridiculous argument. It's amazing how dominant our starting pitching has been in that "joke of a ballpark". If it's so easy to put up big numbers there then why aren't the teams we're playing doing it?

Because guys like Oswalt, Clemens and Pettite are FANTASTIC pitchers. They would put up dominating numbers in ANY ballpark.

It's not a ridiculous argument at all. I am not saying that the ballpark gives the Astros some unfair advantage in a game. Both teams have to play in the park. However when you are complaring numbers for an MVP discussion it is absolutely a valid argument. Bill James had Minute Maid rated as the 2nd easiest park for a right handed batter to hit a home run. Busch stadium on the other hand was the 2nd most difficult park for a right hander to hit a home run in. Obviously time will tell on the new stadium, but my point is not all home runs are created equal.

Using the fact that you have/had one of the best starting staffs in baseball as your evidence that the ballpark isn't a joke is the ridiculous argument. Last year Oswalt gave up twide as many home runs at home as he did on the road and he had 1 more start on the road than he did at home. Backe also averaged more home runs per start at home than on the road. Clemens and Pettite were about even, both were a little better at home.

So yes I say the left field porch is a joke. If it wasn't why in the home run derby would Berkman have switched to the right side of the plate despite the fact he has far more power left handed? So you will just have to forgive me when I don't consider Ensberg's numbers at all as impressive as Pujols'. 7 of Ensberg's 9 home runs have come at home. Granted he has had far more at home at bats this year, but even on averages he is hitting a home run every 7.5 at bats at home and every 9 at bats on the road. Last year Ensberg hit a home run every 12.45 at bats at home and every 17.31 at bats on the road. So I do think Minute Maid is inflating his power numbers quite a bit.

I am at a loss as to why people don't acceot their ballparks for what they are. Do you really think those to wrist flick home runs Berkman hit into left last year go out of any other ball park? Again I am not saying the Braves or Cardinals got robbed as both teams had the same fence, but is that what you really want to see? 320 foot pop flys going out for home runs?

kingfc22 · 04-27-2006, 12:00 AM

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Wandy Rodriguez joins the 4-0 club!

Great FA pickup for my fantasy team.

TazFTW · 04-27-2006, 12:02 AM

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Great FA pickup for my fantasy team.

Same.

Butter · 04-27-2006, 07:26 AM

Bronson Arroyo dominated the Nats yesterday, the Reds pick up win #15 and pitch a one-hitter doing it. But the Astros and Cards are coming to town... be interesting to see if the Reds can draw a crowd for once.

JeeberD · 04-27-2006, 08:50 AM

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essay

Bah, research. Who needs it?..

WSUCougar · 04-27-2006, 08:53 AM

What's the most current thinking on Clemens, by the way?

JeeberD · 04-27-2006, 09:16 AM

There was some teaser on ESPN.com that he was itching to come back and play already, but it was an Insider article so I couldn't read it. But you have got to think that as well as we've started the season and as hot as our bats have been have got to bode well for our chances of bringing him back to Houston.

I also heard somewhere a little while back that the Astros feel pretty confident that he'll be back in Houston...

Butter · 04-27-2006, 09:18 AM

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What's the most current thinking on Clemens, by the way?

Still a douchebag.

sterlingice · 04-27-2006, 09:11 PM

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Still a douchebag.

Ayup...

SI

Bearcat729 · 04-27-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Bronson Arroyo dominated the Nats yesterday, the Reds pick up win #15 and pitch a one-hitter doing it. But the Astros and Cards are coming to town... be interesting to see if the Reds can draw a crowd for once.

Too early for the Reds to draw a big crowd. They need to be doing this well in August before the people around here really start paying attention.

Tyrith · 04-27-2006, 09:57 PM

It really sounds like Clemens is going to come back to whichever team gives him the most money, unless the Astros step up and offer 3 or 4 million dollars a month off the bat and get him before the bidding war really catches on fire.

Neuqua · 04-28-2006, 04:11 PM

Greg Maddux notches win number 5 today against the Brewers. Everyone in the central seems to be on a roll right now so I'm just hoping we can keep pace for now until D. Lee comes back, unlikely though.

Fouts · 04-28-2006, 04:44 PM

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The showed clips of Omar signing his book before the game. Mesa probably heard about it. Hell, he hit the guy in the back, clearly intentional. Wasn't ejected or anything, but it lead to several beanings the next day, including Omar (who was pinch hitting), by lefty Ray King.

I'm surprised MLB hasn't suspended or fined Mesa for it.

Mesa suspended 4 games for throwing at Vizquel; Morris, Righetti fined

JS19 · 04-28-2006, 09:21 PM

Pedro joins Maddux at 5-0. Mets down the Braves, have a 6 game lead already. Looks like the bats are starting to get going again, Wright had 2 solo shots, Wagner hasn't exactly been lights out so far this yr as he loaded the bases in the 9th.

Fouts · 04-28-2006, 09:25 PM

Mets thread is over there ------>

Bearcat729 · 04-29-2006, 08:27 AM

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Too early for the Reds to draw a big crowd. They need to be doing this well in August before the people around here really start paying attention.

Well the fans have started to prove me wrong. Today's Reds game has apparently sold out.

JS19 · 05-01-2006, 01:11 PM

Well, today is the day Clemens can re-sign with Houston is he so chooses, I haven't heard much here, any rumors over in Houston on what he plns on doing?

Butter · 05-01-2006, 01:14 PM

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Well the fans have started to prove me wrong. Today's Reds game has apparently sold out.

Not quite... but they did get good crowds of over 30k on Friday, and 25k+ on Saturday... Sunday's game in light rain/gloom still drew over 22k, which is pretty good.

Not a bad turnout overall. There are sure to be a gaggle of vociferous Cards fans there the next 2 days.

Fouts · 05-01-2006, 01:45 PM

SD traded Doug Mirabelli (Wakefield's personal catcher) back to Boston for a couple players today. What's funny is Mirabelli predicted he would be back on the Sox before May 15th.

McSweeny · 05-01-2006, 05:00 PM

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SD traded Doug Mirabelli (Wakefield's personal catcher) back to Boston for a couple players today. What's funny is Mirabelli predicted he would be back on the Sox before May 15th.

so what it boils down to

Josh Bard, Cla Merrideth, and 100k for Loretta

Butter · 05-02-2006, 08:26 AM

So, Reds fans, the team is guaranteed a share of first after the St. Louis mini-series, with a pretty easy schedule to go the rest of May. Can the team keep up their pace? Or are we destined for another disappointing August and September?

Butter · 05-02-2006, 02:13 PM

Guess nobody cares. Reds just took 4 of 5 at home from Houston and St. Louis, and will take at least a 1.5 game lead to Colorado with them tomorrow night.

JS19 · 05-02-2006, 02:29 PM

They showed the 9th inning on ESPN after the Indians game....why exactly is it that Larussa didn't walk that guy to load the bases??

Butter · 05-02-2006, 02:31 PM

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They showed the 9th inning on ESPN after the Indians game....why exactly is it that Larussa didn't walk that guy to load the bases??

Because he is the greatest manager in the history of the world. Nobody questions the Larussa.

hoosiergoody · 05-02-2006, 02:32 PM

Cincinnati fans are too fickle. They will wait until August to see if this team is for real before going to the games. Glad they are doing good and proving most wrong. Been a Reds' fan since I was 5 and proud of it. I get too annoyed at the bandwagon fans we have here. You'd think that those fans that have persisted with the Bungles would have done the same with the Reds, especially since the Reds have had a better go of it.

BTW- The Reds have the best record in baseball right now!

Fighter of Foo · 05-02-2006, 02:45 PM

Check back in June. Arroyo has been a Godsend since the Reds have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors. Best case is they turn into the NL version of the Rangers (one of the versions that made the playoffs with league average pitching). Worst case they end up 70-92 if/when their bats stop hitting for any extended length of time and their pitchers go back to sucking.

They do have a sick offense though, even when Griffey is injured.

Blade6119 · 05-02-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Because he is the greatest manager in the history of the world. Nobody questions the Larussa.

And nobody ever should

Bearcat729 · 05-02-2006, 02:49 PM

I'm glad the Reds are doing well, especially with Griffey out of the lineup, but doubt that we will remain on this pace unless we improve the pitching a little. It was nice to see the Reds were able to win the close one today.

If I have a chance I'll probably go to a few games this season.

JS19 · 05-02-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Because he is the greatest manager in the history of the world. Nobody questions the Larussa.

Whoops, my mistake.

I don't claim to know all that much about the Reds, just that they have a pretty good lineup. Now i'm not trying to put them down and such, but do you guys really think the Reds have the pitching it takes to keep this team competetive?

dixieflatline · 05-02-2006, 02:52 PM

Pujols, Edmonds, and Rolen all start on the bench today though Edmonds comes in to pinch hit. The cards lineup isn't all that strong this year with those three guys and it looks pretty terrible without those guys. The reds certainly are playing good ball right now but I think they will cool off. Still some excellent moves by their new GM who should seriously get some consideration for Exec. of the year if they finish above .500. Long term, Baseball America still hates their farm system so they will have some work to do in a division that could be very interesting in the next few year. But at least there is some hope in Cincy unlike what is going on with the pirates or royals.

dixieflatline · 05-02-2006, 02:57 PM

dola

Staying in the central the cubs might be the least patient team in MLB history without Lee in their lineup. And could Prince Fielder become the next Pujols? He is 21 and already playing like an all star.

Butter · 05-02-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JS19

Whoops, my mistake.

I don't claim to know all that much about the Reds, just that they have a pretty good lineup. Now i'm not trying to put them down and such, but do you guys really think the Reds have the pitching it takes to keep this team competetive?

Arroyo won't keep it up, but Harang and Milton have both been pitching well, and Paul Wilson is due back later this month. They may not need the high-quality pitching the other teams get anyway, because their lineup makes it ok to let in 5-6 runs on occasion.

But I do think they'll have trouble staying in front of the Cards and Astros all season. If they bring Ryan Wagner back up and he starts throwing like he can, they'll have a pretty good bullpen.... but it is indeed the starting pitching that will ultimately let them down, if anything does.

Blade6119 · 05-02-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JS19

Whoops, my mistake.

I don't claim to know all that much about the Reds, just that they have a pretty good lineup. Now i'm not trying to put them down and such, but do you guys really think the Reds have the pitching it takes to keep this team competetive?

In some divisions yes, but not the central. Its the best division in baseball right now

Bad-example · 05-03-2006, 08:16 PM

Mike Matheny just made a fantastic play next to the Brewer dugout. Caught the ball against the dugout railing and then flipped over the rail. Outstanding!

kingfc22 · 05-03-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad-example

Mike Matheny just made a fantastic play next to the Brewer dugout. Caught the ball against the dugout railing and then flipped over the rail. Outstanding!

Yes, incredible play.

JS19 · 05-03-2006, 08:30 PM

Looks like that tsunami warning shoulda been set for Shea Stadium. Been raining hard and heavy since the 3rd and they are in the 8th now, i've never seen them keep a game going this long considering the conditions.

JS19 · 05-03-2006, 08:51 PM

Wow. Out of all the games Wagner could possibly blow, this has gotta be the worst, not only is it the Pirates but it's a cold and VERY wet night that i'm sure everyone was waiting to just end.

ISiddiqui · 05-03-2006, 09:51 PM

And it preventing Pedro from getting the win.

Crapshoot · 05-03-2006, 09:57 PM

Jason Schmidt - please be back!

Thanks,
Giants fans who want to finish above .500

JeeberD · 05-04-2006, 08:49 AM

Hooray for the Rockies!

Cards4ever · 05-06-2006, 12:07 AM

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Hooray for the Rockies!

I bet you weren't saying that tonight!

JeeberD · 05-06-2006, 12:43 AM

Yeah

larrymcg421 · 05-06-2006, 12:29 PM

Skydog, Jon, and I are about to be signed as relievers for the Atlanta Braves. The announcement should be coming shortly.

Buccaneer · 05-07-2006, 06:28 PM

The Pads are doing it again this May. So far they are undefeated after sweeping the Cubs. Last season, they won 22 games in May to propel them to the division title. But this season, both Arizona and Colorado are winning as well. Too bad the Pads think April is just an extension to spring training.

JS19 · 05-07-2006, 07:36 PM

Whatever happened to all those young arms that were supposed to be the saviors for the Padres. I could very well be mistaken, but I thought it was just a few years ago they had plethora of young arms that seemed to be solid guys.

04-26-2006, 06:25 PM	#252
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Nah, I think it's Morgan Ensberg's turn... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

04-26-2006, 07:22 PM	#254
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Such a ridiculous argument. It's amazing how dominant our starting pitching has been in that "joke of a ballpark". If it's so easy to put up big numbers there then why aren't the teams we're playing doing it? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO Last edited by JeeberD : 04-26-2006 at 07:22 PM.

04-26-2006, 10:12 PM	#255
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Wandy Rodriguez joins the 4-0 club! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

04-27-2006, 07:26 AM	#259
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Bronson Arroyo dominated the Nats yesterday, the Reds pick up win #15 and pitch a one-hitter doing it. But the Astros and Cards are coming to town... be interesting to see if the Reds can draw a crowd for once. __________________ My listening habits

04-27-2006, 08:53 AM	#261
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	What's the most current thinking on Clemens, by the way? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

04-26-2006, 06:19 PM	#251
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	So should they just give Pujols the MVP again now?

04-27-2006, 09:16 AM	#262
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	There was some teaser on ESPN.com that he was itching to come back and play already, but it was an Insider article so I couldn't read it. But you have got to think that as well as we've started the season and as hot as our bats have been have got to bode well for our chances of bringing him back to Houston. I also heard somewhere a little while back that the Astros feel pretty confident that he'll be back in Houston... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

04-27-2006, 09:57 PM	#266
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	It really sounds like Clemens is going to come back to whichever team gives him the most money, unless the Astros step up and offer 3 or 4 million dollars a month off the bat and get him before the bidding war really catches on fire.

04-28-2006, 04:11 PM	#267
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Greg Maddux notches win number 5 today against the Brewers. Everyone in the central seems to be on a roll right now so I'm just hoping we can keep pace for now until D. Lee comes back, unlikely though. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

04-28-2006, 09:21 PM	#269
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Pedro joins Maddux at 5-0. Mets down the Braves, have a 6 game lead already. Looks like the bats are starting to get going again, Wright had 2 solo shots, Wagner hasn't exactly been lights out so far this yr as he loaded the bases in the 9th.

04-28-2006, 09:25 PM	#270
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Mets thread is over there ------>

05-01-2006, 01:11 PM	#272
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Well, today is the day Clemens can re-sign with Houston is he so chooses, I haven't heard much here, any rumors over in Houston on what he plns on doing?

05-01-2006, 01:45 PM	#274
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	SD traded Doug Mirabelli (Wakefield's personal catcher) back to Boston for a couple players today. What's funny is Mirabelli predicted he would be back on the Sox before May 15th.

05-02-2006, 08:26 AM	#276
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	So, Reds fans, the team is guaranteed a share of first after the St. Louis mini-series, with a pretty easy schedule to go the rest of May. Can the team keep up their pace? Or are we destined for another disappointing August and September? __________________ My listening habits

05-02-2006, 02:13 PM	#277
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Guess nobody cares. Reds just took 4 of 5 at home from Houston and St. Louis, and will take at least a 1.5 game lead to Colorado with them tomorrow night. __________________ My listening habits

05-02-2006, 02:29 PM	#278
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	They showed the 9th inning on ESPN after the Indians game....why exactly is it that Larussa didn't walk that guy to load the bases??

05-02-2006, 02:32 PM	#280
hoosiergoody Mascot Join Date: Nov 2005	Cincinnati fans are too fickle. They will wait until August to see if this team is for real before going to the games. Glad they are doing good and proving most wrong. Been a Reds' fan since I was 5 and proud of it. I get too annoyed at the bandwagon fans we have here. You'd think that those fans that have persisted with the Bungles would have done the same with the Reds, especially since the Reds have had a better go of it. BTW- The Reds have the best record in baseball right now!

05-02-2006, 02:45 PM	#281
Fighter of Foo College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, MA	Check back in June. Arroyo has been a Godsend since the Reds have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors. Best case is they turn into the NL version of the Rangers (one of the versions that made the playoffs with league average pitching). Worst case they end up 70-92 if/when their bats stop hitting for any extended length of time and their pitchers go back to sucking. They do have a sick offense though, even when Griffey is injured.

05-02-2006, 02:49 PM	#283
Bearcat729 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio	I'm glad the Reds are doing well, especially with Griffey out of the lineup, but doubt that we will remain on this pace unless we improve the pitching a little. It was nice to see the Reds were able to win the close one today. If I have a chance I'll probably go to a few games this season.

05-02-2006, 02:52 PM	#285
dixieflatline High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2003	Pujols, Edmonds, and Rolen all start on the bench today though Edmonds comes in to pinch hit. The cards lineup isn't all that strong this year with those three guys and it looks pretty terrible without those guys. The reds certainly are playing good ball right now but I think they will cool off. Still some excellent moves by their new GM who should seriously get some consideration for Exec. of the year if they finish above .500. Long term, Baseball America still hates their farm system so they will have some work to do in a division that could be very interesting in the next few year. But at least there is some hope in Cincy unlike what is going on with the pirates or royals.

05-02-2006, 02:57 PM	#286
dixieflatline High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2003	dola Staying in the central the cubs might be the least patient team in MLB history without Lee in their lineup. And could Prince Fielder become the next Pujols? He is 21 and already playing like an all star. Last edited by dixieflatline : 05-02-2006 at 02:58 PM.

05-03-2006, 08:16 PM	#289
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	Mike Matheny just made a fantastic play next to the Brewer dugout. Caught the ball against the dugout railing and then flipped over the rail. Outstanding!

05-03-2006, 08:30 PM	#291
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Looks like that tsunami warning shoulda been set for Shea Stadium. Been raining hard and heavy since the 3rd and they are in the 8th now, i've never seen them keep a game going this long considering the conditions.

05-03-2006, 08:51 PM	#292
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Wow. Out of all the games Wagner could possibly blow, this has gotta be the worst, not only is it the Pirates but it's a cold and VERY wet night that i'm sure everyone was waiting to just end.

05-03-2006, 09:51 PM	#293
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	And it preventing Pedro from getting the win. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

05-03-2006, 09:57 PM	#294
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Jason Schmidt - please be back! Thanks, Giants fans who want to finish above .500

05-04-2006, 08:49 AM	#295
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Hooray for the Rockies! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

05-06-2006, 12:43 AM	#297
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Yeah __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

05-06-2006, 12:29 PM	#298
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05-07-2006, 06:28 PM	#299
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	The Pads are doing it again this May. So far they are undefeated after sweeping the Cubs. Last season, they won 22 games in May to propel them to the division title. But this season, both Arizona and Colorado are winning as well. Too bad the Pads think April is just an extension to spring training.

05-07-2006, 07:36 PM	#300
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Whatever happened to all those young arms that were supposed to be the saviors for the Padres. I could very well be mistaken, but I thought it was just a few years ago they had plethora of young arms that seemed to be solid guys.

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