College Football week 14 - Page 6

amdaily · 12-01-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

that was put to rest in last year's championship

Then here hangs the hopes of a GA fan

Tigercat · 12-01-2007, 10:53 PM

If LSU doesn't go, I hope its Oklahoma. As an LSU fan, I wouldn't even have a problem with Oklahoma. I think LSU is more deserving by at least a hair, but with two loses(not getting the job done enough) one can't argue if someone or something else splits the hairs a different way.

Now Georgia... Having TWO losses and not winning your division should just be a huge eliminator. It would be one thing if Georgia lost in a championship game. Or if Georgia had one loss and didn't get in their championship game.

But when you have two losses and don't win your division? And don't play and win in a Championship game like the other teams with as many losses as you? Georgia hasn't done enough to earn a NC shot. If they get there, despite the fact that they have looked very good towards the end of the year, they truly have backed into that spot.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-01-2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Meanwhile, I-AA (excuse me, Football Playoff Subdivision) happily continues their 16 team playoff schedule with no scheduling or logistical issues.

Except that those teams have just played (today) their 13th game in order to reach the semi-finals.

All of the D1 conference champions playing today just played their 13th game before this hypothetical tournament even started.

14ers · 12-01-2007, 10:58 PM

And, Washington scores on the opening drive.

CU Tiger · 12-01-2007, 10:58 PM

hawaii down 7-0 and fumble inside their own 30

Cuckoo · 12-01-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Did Mizzou B-Ball Fan make the trip to San Antonio? For all the shit he was talking in the Week 13 thread, he hasn't posted once in this thread.

Yeah, I'd be curious to see what he has to say as well. I'm guessing that OU owes him a thank you for Mizzou giving them another one. <--- Good-natured humor.

I'd also like to hear from IMTG. Two weeks ago, Kansas was going to blow out Mizzou and then OU was going to get blown out by either Kansas or MU in the Championship game.

cartman · 12-01-2007, 10:59 PM

The scenario I am in favor of is capping the season at 11 games, plus one for the conferences that want to have a conference championship game.

There are currently 11 Div. 1A conferences. Each conference champion receives an automatic berth. Then 5 at-large teams are selected, via what ever method is decided upon. That will make a 16 team playoff. The teams not in the playoffs that have 6 wins are still bowl eligible. So like the NIT in basketball, those teams will still have an extra game to play. With a 16 team playoff, 8 teams play one more game, 4 teams play two more games, 2 teams play three more games, and the two teams that play for the championship play one more.

IMHO, the reason you play a full season is to get your players to gel as a team. If you depend wholly on one player, and that player goes down, then that is they chance you take. By the end of a season, you should have identified and played the backups, so they are ready to step in and contribute. I think the way a team plays at the end of a season is much more important that how they start the season. Right now, USC is playing as well as anyone in college football, and they would more than likely make noise deep into a playoff, if there was one.

Buccaneer · 12-01-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

If LSU doesn't go, I hope its Oklahoma. As an LSU fan, I wouldn't even have a problem with Oklahoma. I think LSU is more deserving by at least a hair, but with two loses(not getting the job done enough) one can't argue if someone or something else splits the hairs a different way.

Now Georgia... Having TWO losses and not winning your division should just be a huge eliminator. It would be one thing if Georgia lost in a championship game. Or if Georgia had one loss and didn't get in their championship game.

But when you have two losses and don't win your division? And don't play and win in a Championship game like the other teams with as many losses as you? Georgia hasn't done enough to earn a NC shot. If they get there, despite the fact that they have looked very good towards the end of the year, they truly have backed into that spot.

I agree with you. But something has to give, as said earlier; either they reward LSU and/or punish UGA. That will have to happen but we will have to brace for the tremendous outcry from UGA about being shafted.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-01-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I agree with you. But something has to give, as said earlier; either they reward LSU and/or punish UGA. That will have to happen but we will have to brace for the tremendous outcry from UGA about being shafted.

Yeah, but there's no shortage of crying from them whenever the entire world doesn't bow at their feet since Herschel Walker once played there.

Buccaneer · 12-01-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yeah, but there's no shortage of crying from them whenever the entire world doesn't bow at their feet since Herschel Walker once played there.

Who?

Joe · 12-01-2007, 11:03 PM

Washington up on Hawaii 14-0

VPI97 · 12-01-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yeah, but there's no shortage of crying from them whenever the entire world doesn't bow at their feet since Herschel Walker once played there and Vince Dooley once coached there.

Fixed.

Cuckoo · 12-01-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

If LSU doesn't go, I hope its Oklahoma. As an LSU fan, I wouldn't even have a problem with Oklahoma.

My pick would be LSU. Even though I'm not a Lester fan, LSU has two losses in OT. Those are probably the "best" losses, even though one was to Arkansas at home. Virginia Tech is probably next on the list.

I think OU should be in the discussion, particularly since one of their losses was due to losing their starting QB on the first drive of the game. But they don't have room to gripe; there's just no excuse for losing at Colorado.

st.cronin · 12-01-2007, 11:05 PM

If Georgia goes to the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl, any alumnus/student complaining that they got shafted out of the Championship game should result in the immediate loss of accreditation for that University.

miami_fan · 12-01-2007, 11:05 PM

BTW Mountaineer Nation can't be happy with Rich Rodriguez's play calling. The backup QB gets the same amount of carries as Steve Slaton and more caries than Noel Devine? Not good at all.

Buccaneer · 12-01-2007, 11:05 PM

Do you think 1-loss Kansas would/should be greater than 2-loss OU and MO?

JonInMiddleGA · 12-01-2007, 11:05 PM

Now Washington only needs another, what, 9 touchdowns to have a secure lead.

Buccaneer · 12-01-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

Washington up on Hawaii 14-0

Woo hoo!!!!!

molson · 12-01-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

There are currently 11 Div. 1A conferences. Each conference champion receives an automatic berth.

This is a pretty common idea, but never in a million bajillion years would anyone agree on a system that gave Florida Atlantic a better chance at the NCAA Championship than Penn State or Nebraska, which is exactly what that kind of system would do.

You might have schools considering moving into a lower conference in that scenerio - and nobody wants to deal with that.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-01-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

If Georgia goes to the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl, any alumnus/student complaining that they got shafted out of the Championship game should result in the immediate loss of accreditation for that University.

Relatively few of the really whiny fan base are alums or students, so I'm not sure that this would really come into play anyway.

Buccaneer · 12-01-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

If Georgia goes to the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl, any alumnus/student complaining that they got shafted out of the Championship game should result in the immediate loss of accreditation for that University.

I know, but they are sitting at BCS #4 right now.

cartman · 12-01-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

This is a pretty common idea, but never in a million bajillion years would anyone agree on a system that gave Florida Atlantic a better chance at the NCAA Championship than Penn State or Nebraska, which is exactly what that kind of system would do.

You might have schools considering moving into a lower conference in that scenerio - and nobody wants to deal with that.

Then send the Sun Belt back to 1AA, and have 6 at large teams.

Buccaneer · 12-01-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Now Washington only needs another, what, 9 touchdowns to have a secure lead.

LOL. Unfortunately, you are probably right, unless they can knock out that gimmick QB.

molson · 12-01-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Then send the Sun Belt back to 1AA, and have 6 at large teams.

If there's ever a playoff system, automatic berths will never go to anyone but the "power six". You're still giving the MAC or Conference USA a ridiculous and unbalanced amount of tournament presence by guaranteeing them a berth.

Joe · 12-01-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

LOL. Unfortunately, you are probably right, unless they can knock out that gimmick QB.

it doesn't matter since the backup plays nearly as well in their system

CU Tiger · 12-01-2007, 11:11 PM

what a hit

st.cronin · 12-01-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Relatively few of the really whiny fan base are alums or students, so I'm not sure that this would really come into play anyway.

That's a good point.

Joe · 12-01-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Do you think 1-loss Kansas would/should be greater than 2-loss OU and MO?

I think no. I would say OU, MO, KU.

Buccaneer · 12-01-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

it doesn't matter since the backup plays nearly as well in their system

Except in the game they struggled against MIGHTY Nevada, they had the backup playing.

mauchow · 12-01-2007, 11:14 PM

Almost 21-0.

MizzouRah · 12-01-2007, 11:15 PM

Great season for Missouri this year!! Thanks to Pinkel and this team, it's been one hell of a ride and I can't wait for the cotton bowl or whatever bowl we get to.

Tip of the cap to OU, they played their assess off tonight. Talk about dominating the OL and DL, wow. Will we EVER beat these sons of bitches!! :P

st.cronin · 12-01-2007, 11:16 PM

Ok, so which conference has the ugliest fan base? After watching today's Mizzou-OU match, I say its the Big 12. There were some really fat people in the seats.

Joe · 12-01-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Except in the game they struggled against MIGHTY Nevada, they had the backup playing.

Yeah, but on the season:

Name QBRat
Colt Brennan 163.4
Tyler Graunke 159.7

Joe · 12-01-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, so which conference has the ugliest fan base? After watching today's Mizzou-OU match, I say its the Big 12. There were some really fat people in the seats.

Mountain West

JonInMiddleGA · 12-01-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

21-0.

Fixed that for you

Buccaneer · 12-01-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

Mountain West

If you want to get technical about it, look at the rankings of Most Fit States. I believe Colorado is #1 and some of the other MWC states are up there. It would be no surprise to see what states are down at the bottom and thus, the conference.

CU Tiger · 12-01-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, so which conference has the ugliest fan base? After watching today's Mizzou-OU match, I say its the Big 12. There were some really fat people in the seats.

Gotta be the BE, you have the NE influence and the WVU toothless hill billy

st.cronin · 12-01-2007, 11:21 PM

Nobody actually knows what Mountain West fans look like, since none of their games are ever on tv.

Joe · 12-01-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Nobody actually knows what Mountain West fans look like, since none of their games are ever on tv.

I watch them on Versus

Joe · 12-01-2007, 11:24 PM

another Hawaii turnover

Galaxy · 12-01-2007, 11:24 PM

Hawaii looks extremely undisciplined.

st.cronin · 12-01-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

I watch them on Versus

Really, vs. is always Pac 10 here.

Joe · 12-01-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Hawaii looks extremely undisciplined.

because June Jones recruited most of the players from jail

Chief Rum · 12-01-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Except that those teams have just played (today) their 13th game in order to reach the semi-finals.

All of the D1 conference champions playing today just played their 13th game before this hypothetical tournament even started.

Eliminate the conference championship game, and the D1 teams would also be playing their 13th games to get into the semifinals in an eight-team system.

Galaxy · 12-01-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

because June Jones recruited most of the players from jail

Sounds like the ACC Florida programs.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-01-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Eliminate the conference championship game, and the D1 teams would also be playing their 13th games to get into the semifinals in an eight-team system.

Except that, as previously discussed, those games aren't likely to go anywhere.

Joe · 12-01-2007, 11:31 PM

Hawaii turnover #3

Galaxy · 12-01-2007, 11:31 PM

Another turnover!

Noop · 12-01-2007, 11:31 PM

Why isn't Virgina Tech in the discussion for the national title.

Galaxy · 12-01-2007, 11:31 PM

It doesn't like they are getting outplayed, just making stupid mistakes.

12-01-2007, 10:58 PM	#254
14ers High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2006	And, Washington scores on the opening drive. __________________ I like the company I keep when I am alone. 'The Blonde Bomber'

12-01-2007, 10:59 PM	#257
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	The scenario I am in favor of is capping the season at 11 games, plus one for the conferences that want to have a conference championship game. There are currently 11 Div. 1A conferences. Each conference champion receives an automatic berth. Then 5 at-large teams are selected, via what ever method is decided upon. That will make a 16 team playoff. The teams not in the playoffs that have 6 wins are still bowl eligible. So like the NIT in basketball, those teams will still have an extra game to play. With a 16 team playoff, 8 teams play one more game, 4 teams play two more games, 2 teams play three more games, and the two teams that play for the championship play one more. IMHO, the reason you play a full season is to get your players to gel as a team. If you depend wholly on one player, and that player goes down, then that is they chance you take. By the end of a season, you should have identified and played the backups, so they are ready to step in and contribute. I think the way a team plays at the end of a season is much more important that how they start the season. Right now, USC is playing as well as anyone in college football, and they would more than likely make noise deep into a playoff, if there was one. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

12-01-2007, 11:05 PM	#264
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	If Georgia goes to the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl, any alumnus/student complaining that they got shafted out of the Championship game should result in the immediate loss of accreditation for that University. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-01-2007, 11:05 PM	#265
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	BTW Mountaineer Nation can't be happy with Rich Rodriguez's play calling. The backup QB gets the same amount of carries as Steve Slaton and more caries than Noel Devine? Not good at all. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

12-01-2007, 11:05 PM	#267
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Now Washington only needs another, what, 9 touchdowns to have a secure lead. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-01-2007, 10:53 PM	#252
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	If LSU doesn't go, I hope its Oklahoma. As an LSU fan, I wouldn't even have a problem with Oklahoma. I think LSU is more deserving by at least a hair, but with two loses(not getting the job done enough) one can't argue if someone or something else splits the hairs a different way. Now Georgia... Having TWO losses and not winning your division should just be a huge eliminator. It would be one thing if Georgia lost in a championship game. Or if Georgia had one loss and didn't get in their championship game. But when you have two losses and don't win your division? And don't play and win in a Championship game like the other teams with as many losses as you? Georgia hasn't done enough to earn a NC shot. If they get there, despite the fact that they have looked very good towards the end of the year, they truly have backed into that spot.

12-01-2007, 10:58 PM	#255
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	hawaii down 7-0 and fumble inside their own 30

12-01-2007, 11:03 PM	#261
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	Washington up on Hawaii 14-0

12-01-2007, 11:05 PM	#266
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Do you think 1-loss Kansas would/should be greater than 2-loss OU and MO?

12-01-2007, 11:11 PM	#276
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	what a hit

12-01-2007, 11:14 PM	#280
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Almost 21-0.

12-01-2007, 11:15 PM	#281
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Great season for Missouri this year!! Thanks to Pinkel and this team, it's been one hell of a ride and I can't wait for the cotton bowl or whatever bowl we get to. Tip of the cap to OU, they played their assess off tonight. Talk about dominating the OL and DL, wow. Will we EVER beat these sons of bitches!! :P

12-01-2007, 11:16 PM	#282
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Ok, so which conference has the ugliest fan base? After watching today's Mizzou-OU match, I say its the Big 12. There were some really fat people in the seats. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-01-2007, 11:21 PM	#288
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Nobody actually knows what Mountain West fans look like, since none of their games are ever on tv. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-01-2007, 11:24 PM	#290
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	another Hawaii turnover

12-01-2007, 11:24 PM	#291
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Hawaii looks extremely undisciplined.

12-01-2007, 11:31 PM	#297
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	Hawaii turnover #3

12-01-2007, 11:31 PM	#298
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Another turnover!

12-01-2007, 11:31 PM	#299
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Why isn't Virgina Tech in the discussion for the national title. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

12-01-2007, 11:31 PM	#300
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	It doesn't like they are getting outplayed, just making stupid mistakes.

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