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Chubby · 06-30-2004, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Teddyballgame made a great point in the OOTP thread if you all aren't following.

But jesus, 49 members viewing this thread!

That is a great post by teddyballgame.

RealDeal · 06-30-2004, 03:59 PM

This thread sucks the fat dick.

Blackadar · 06-30-2004, 03:59 PM

Blah blah blah

Wah wah wah

This whole thread can be summarized in one phrase:

"It's my ball and I'm going home!"

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:00 PM

Another solid point.

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Originally Posted by Akrobat

Let's take this into the real world shall we?

Someone writes an essay and in it they include three lines from a book. They put "thanks to those who helped" in their bibliography. Guess what? It's plagiarism. If you use someone else's work you have to specifically say who you got it from, otherwise they have a right to gripe. All LL asked for was that you mention it was his work as well, and you failing to do that is wrong.

Chubby · 06-30-2004, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

Blah blah blah

Wah wah wah

This whole thread can be summarized in one phrase:

"It's my ball and I'm going home!"

I almost posted that in another thread.

WSUCougar · 06-30-2004, 04:02 PM

This has moved from silly to almost criminally ludicrous.

The guy compiled a group of files so that it would be in one convenient, bite-sized tidbit. He stated his thanks to the anonymous folks who did the work. Perhaps he erred in not recognizing that the prima donna(s) who did all of that precious work would need GIANT, BRONZED RECOGNITION,

HE'S A WITCH! BURRRRRRRRNNNNNNNN HIM!!!

JeeberD · 06-30-2004, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Another solid point.

Copyright infringement. As has already been stated, it's not comparable to today's case...

fantastic flying froggies · 06-30-2004, 04:03 PM

I HEART FOFC

Ben E Lou · 06-30-2004, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

Note to Self: Take Skydog's research, change the title, claim as mine.

Personally, I fail to see how Skydog can come across as the victim here- it is fairly standard practice among the modding commmunity for OOTP to credit people for their work, be it rosters, facepacks, schedules, etc- and that's all LL ever asked for. Frankly, the ignorance of this is fairly justified, but opposition even after being made aware of it shows a side of Skydog I havent seen here.

I don't understand where people are getting this. I NEVER stated any opposition to giving the guy credit. In my VERY FIRST RESPONSE to him, I asked if he wanted me to put his name on it, and he *NEVER* responded to that. He just kept on attacking.

WSUCougar · 06-30-2004, 04:04 PM

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE.

Crapshoot · 06-30-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

My God, LL, did you have a humor-ectomy or something, or were you born without the sense of humor?

The irony of this particular statement is through the roof....

SirFozzie · 06-30-2004, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

The irony of this particular statement is through the roof....

Ahhh.. Not So Grasshopper! By use of the cunningly placed "Smilie" I showed that I was being humorous in suggesting that a human being could have a sense of humor surgically removed, or be born with out one. (Although if there was such a proceedure, I'm sure the IRS has it

).

So.. I was being humorous in suggesting he did not have a sense of humor, and therefore, my sense of humor was functioning unimpaired.

(Can you follow that? If so.. Please explain it to me!

)

SirFozzie · 06-30-2004, 04:10 PM

Aadik: Seems to me he offered to credit LL and LL ignored it and kept attacking.. but of course, I have been wrong before..

Ben E Lou · 06-30-2004, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

Funny- I think it should be - "Show the decency to credit people for their contributions to a community, as is done with you for all the hard work you put in".

For what seems like the THOUSANDTH time, if I had KNOWN who the "four or five guys" were, I would have done so. I'd already deleted the other stuff at that point. I point-blank offered to this guy in my very first response to him to credit him, but rather than even responding to that offer, he just kept on attacking.

Crapshoot · 06-30-2004, 04:13 PM

Fair enough SD, but I think he was perfectly legitimate in protesting his work being packaged into something else. Like countless people have suggested, if Killbrew, DD, and LL had been cited first, then this would be less of an issue.

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:14 PM

Then you did the right thing by taking it down Benjamin.

Buddy Grant · 06-30-2004, 04:19 PM

I'm not sure what the majority thinks about this facepack but here are my positive and negative thoughts:

Positive:
- It's a different way to get these pictures without having to download the individual facepacks.
- SD and/or his affiliated Christian Youth web site is providing the online storage of the file so no costs are being passed on to anyone else.

Negative:
- No permission or credit given to the folks who found, cut/cropped/centered/resized/color enhanced/color-reduced/named-numbered/tested and originally posted these images.

I was one of those folks, I spent over 200 hours putting together nearly half of the images in the "SkyDog Compilation of Fictional Photos", and I don't think it's unreasonable for me to be annoyed when he spends a few hours on this project and then puts his name to it. If the individual facepacks he took images from were hard to find that would be another thing entirely, but these facepacks are easy to find. I think a little effort to credit the folks who did the actual work on these would have been easy to do. SkyDog, if you see this post, is there any reason you did not provide a readme crediting the folks who did the actual work?

duckman · 06-30-2004, 04:19 PM

Ben,

Just say "fuck it", rise above it, and move on. If he wants to wallow in this mess then let him. I wouldn't waste anymore time with it.

Just my .02.

BishopMVP · 06-30-2004, 04:21 PM

Skydog made an honest mistake, the compilation is now taken down, and in between there was hours of drama and potential enjoyment for every lurker on the two boards. Now everyone should let it die.

Draft Dodger · 06-30-2004, 04:21 PM

all that's missing is a sincere apology...

Buddy Grant · 06-30-2004, 04:22 PM

Dola...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

For what seems like the THOUSANDTH time, if I had KNOWN who the "four or five guys" were, I would have done so.

This would not have been a difficult task, you certainly should have done this SD.

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:22 PM

Just listen to James Taylor and everything will be all better.

WSUCougar · 06-30-2004, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buddy Grant

SkyDog, if you see this post, is there any reason you did not provide a readme crediting the folks who did the actual work?

Here, let me answer for him:

Because he didn't think it would be such a big, FREAKIN' deal. He was doing it in an attempt to be helpful, got blind-sided by the resultant attack, and promptly removed the oh-so-dastardly file.

Here's a sword if you'd like to fall on it.

SirFozzie · 06-30-2004, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

all that's missing is a sincere apology...

From BOTH sides.

C'mon DD, it's not like it didn't take two to tango.

and if you're looking for a sincere apology from myself, there's one from me up a while ago. Sadly, there hasn't been one from LL calling all of us who participate at FOFC assholes.

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Here, let me answer for him:

Because he didn't think it would be such a big, FREAKIN' deal. He was doing it in an attempt to be helpful, got blind-sided by the resultant attack, and promptly removed the oh-so-dastardly file.

Here's a sword if you'd like to fall on it.

you are being quite the assclown today

Draft Dodger · 06-30-2004, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

From BOTH sides.

C'mon DD, it's not like it didn't take two to tango.

and if you're looking for a sincere apology from myself, there's one from me up a while ago. Sadly, there hasn't been one from LL calling all of us who participate at FOFC assholes.

quite few people HAVE been assholes today.

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:27 PM

i apologize for calling you an assclown

John Galt · 06-30-2004, 04:27 PM

I find it very strange that there is etiquette and manners for giving credit to someone who has used and abused other people's copyrighted work. I'm not taking sides here, but let's be honest - modding player pictures (that are someone else's work) is already borderline illegal (not making a profit from it helps). Saying SD was "bad" for not thanking someone doing borderline illegal stuff is just strange to me.

Of course, I do understand that we in this community like modders and their work, so SD should probably thank him. However, talking about "morality" and books/music hypotheticals, just doesn't make sense. This is a shady practice, but one we all like and enjoy. SD made a mistake - who here hasn't made one? He offered to correct that mistake - that seems pretty fair to me.

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

quite few people HAVE been assholes today.

preach on brother DDC!

Ben E Lou · 06-30-2004, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddy Grant

Dola...

This would not have been a difficult task, you certainly should have done this SD.

More detail on why I didn't. I've answered this question several times, but I assume you didn't see it:

Today, 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Akrobat
All LL asked for was that you mention it was his work as well, and you failing to do that is wrong.

Ummmmm....I OFFERED to do that very thing (re-read my response to him, the third post in this thread, I think) and he never really responded to that offer, so I just took it down. As I've mentioned, I have no clue where they came from. I didn't set out to release a compilation. I set out to get a whole bunch of fictional faces for my league. Once I got it up and running in OOTP6, I thought, "Hey, this is pretty cool! Some other guys might want this too, and I can save 'em the 90 minutes or so of work that it took me to make this happen." By that time, I'd deleted everything that I didn't need for my fictional league, so I didn't have any readmes, file names, or anything else really to track down who had done this stuff. Further (as I've mentioned) it never occurred to me that not having their names on it would matter to anyone anyway. If I had any idea that would have been the case, I would have either gone back and researched my history files to figure out which web sites I'd gotten all the zip files from (there were somewhere around 8-12 zips, I think), or (more likely) I wouldn't have put it out in the first place, because I was excited about continuing my dynasty with all the faces in it that I now had. It is really that simple. There's nothing "sinister" here.
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Bottom line: the "compilation" was a quicky afterthought to what I had really set out to do. I wasn't interested in doing a whole bunch more research. The 90 minutes or so I spent on this project in the first place is WAY more than I've ever spent on anything to "set up" a game. If I'd had the first clue that I was doing something "bad" or "taboo", I would have simply continued playing my dynasty career and not put it out.

WSUCougar · 06-30-2004, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

you are being quite the assclown today

That means nothing unless you call me Benjamin. Now go mow my lawn.

Draft Dodger · 06-30-2004, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Here, let me answer for him:

Because he didn't think it would be such a big, FREAKIN' deal. He was doing it in an attempt to be helpful, got blind-sided by the resultant attack, and promptly removed the oh-so-dastardly file.

Here's a sword if you'd like to fall on it.

Just what this thread needs - flaming a guy from out of nowhere.

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:29 PM

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Ben E Lou · 06-30-2004, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Here, let me answer for him:

Because he didn't think it would be such a big, FREAKIN' deal. He was doing it in an attempt to be helpful, got blind-sided by the resultant attack, and promptly removed the oh-so-dastardly file.

Here's a sword if you'd like to fall on it.

OK. I'm really trying to be a bit more cordial, but that would pretty much be spot-on. Dadgum mind-reader.

WSUCougar · 06-30-2004, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

Just what this thread needs - flaming a guy from out of nowhere.

That's not a flame, trust me.

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

That means nothing unless you call me Benjamin. Now go mow my lawn.

i retract my previous apology for my previous assclown statement. you're a superassclown and mow your lawn i will not.

unless you throw $20 on it.

Draft Dodger · 06-30-2004, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Bottom line: the "compilation" was a quicky afterthought to what I had really set out to do. I wasn't interested in doing a whole bunch more research. The 90 minutes or so I spent on this project in the first place is WAY more than I've ever spent on anything to "set up" a game. If I'd had the first clue that I was doing something "bad" or "taboo", I would have simply continued playing my dynasty career and not put it out.

that (with the addition of "I'm sorry") would have been an EXCELLENT 3rd post in the OOTP thread, instead of what you went with originally.

I'm done - I made my point. Some of you seem to agree, some disagree. And some just seem to want to irrationally argue or take sides. I'm surprised that you (Ben) didn't see it the same way that I did, but that's life.

SirFozzie · 06-30-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

preach on brother DDC!

Agreed. Both Sides had their share of.. rather then call people assholes (including myself

), I'll say.. assholic behavior.

I've already apologized for my actions, and I hope the folks who acted the same way on the other side of the fence do the same.

Time to put this behind us.

MrIllini · 06-30-2004, 04:32 PM

morality card

*SLAP*

vtbub · 06-30-2004, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

i retract my previous apology for my previous assclown statement. you're a superassclown and mow your lawn i will not.

unless you throw $20 on it.

*searches his wallet, finds nothing. opens fridge finds unopened 18-pack of Coors Light*

Here, mow my lawn

WSUCougar · 06-30-2004, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

i retract my previous apology for my previous assclown statement. you're a superassclown and mow your lawn i will not.

unless you throw $20 on it.

Your apology cross-posted with my lawn mowing remark. Therefore, I retract the lawn mowing remark, as well as all rights and priveliges attached thereto.

However, since you continued on your wicked course and called me a superassclown, as well as tried to bribe me, you can wash my car.

And no TV tonight.

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:38 PM

bummer!

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:38 PM

but, bubbalicious, you got a deal my friend

SirFozzie · 06-30-2004, 04:39 PM

*chuckles* and we show why FOFC is FOFC.. no matter how heated a topic gets, leave it unlocked long enough and we WILL get silly

Eaglesfan27 · 06-30-2004, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

*chuckles* and we show why FOFC is FOFC.. no matter how heated a topic gets, leave it unlocked long enough and we WILL get silly

I thought they were serious.

SirFozzie · 06-30-2004, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I thought they were serious.

Oh they were serious.. earlier in the thread

Buddy Grant · 06-30-2004, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

More detail on why I didn't. I've answered this question several times, but I assume you didn't see it:

Yup, this whole thing moved pretty fast - I DLed the file late this aft, then wrote my initial post while a flurry of other posts were happening. Ack.

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Originally Posted by John Galt

I find it very strange that there is etiquette and manners for giving credit to someone who has used and abused other people's copyrighted work. I'm not taking sides here, but let's be honest - modding player pictures (that are someone else's work) is already borderline illegal (not making a profit from it helps). Saying SD was "bad" for not thanking someone doing borderline illegal stuff is just strange to me.

You obviously do not have much knowledge about PC game mods

.

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Originally Posted by John Galt

Of course, I do understand that we in this community like modders and their work, so SD should probably thank him. However, talking about "morality" and books/music hypotheticals, just doesn't make sense. This is a shady practice, but one we all like and enjoy. SD made a mistake - who here hasn't made one? He offered to correct that mistake - that seems pretty fair to me.

That is an excellent point John, we are none of us perfect nohow, everything appears to be fine now.

Senator · 06-30-2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Lemme guess:

Don't do anything that would be useful because someone will always try to fuck it up.

Did I win?

korme · 06-30-2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

*chuckles* and we show why FOFC is FOFC.. no matter how heated a topic gets, leave it unlocked long enough and we WILL get silly

SirFozzie · 06-30-2004, 04:50 PM

*guffaws madly*

Yer a nut, Shorty.

I guess that's why I like ya!

06-30-2004, 04:02 PM	#206
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	This has moved from silly to almost criminally ludicrous. The guy compiled a group of files so that it would be in one convenient, bite-sized tidbit. He stated his thanks to the anonymous folks who did the work. Perhaps he erred in not recognizing that the prima donna(s) who did all of that precious work would need GIANT, BRONZED RECOGNITION, HE'S A WITCH! BURRRRRRRRNNNNNNNN HIM!!! __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

06-30-2004, 04:03 PM	#208
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	I HEART FOFC __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink

06-30-2004, 04:04 PM	#210
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

06-30-2004, 04:10 PM	#213
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Aadik: Seems to me he offered to credit LL and LL ignored it and kept attacking.. but of course, I have been wrong before.. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

06-30-2004, 04:14 PM	#216
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Then you did the right thing by taking it down Benjamin. Last edited by korme : 06-30-2004 at 04:15 PM.

06-30-2004, 03:59 PM	#202
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	This thread sucks the fat dick.

06-30-2004, 03:59 PM	#203
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Blah blah blah Wah wah wah This whole thread can be summarized in one phrase: "It's my ball and I'm going home!"

06-30-2004, 04:13 PM	#215
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Fair enough SD, but I think he was perfectly legitimate in protesting his work being packaged into something else. Like countless people have suggested, if Killbrew, DD, and LL had been cited first, then this would be less of an issue.

06-30-2004, 04:19 PM	#217
Buddy Grant High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm not sure what the majority thinks about this facepack but here are my positive and negative thoughts: Positive: - It's a different way to get these pictures without having to download the individual facepacks. - SD and/or his affiliated Christian Youth web site is providing the online storage of the file so no costs are being passed on to anyone else. Negative: - No permission or credit given to the folks who found, cut/cropped/centered/resized/color enhanced/color-reduced/named-numbered/tested and originally posted these images. I was one of those folks, I spent over 200 hours putting together nearly half of the images in the "SkyDog Compilation of Fictional Photos", and I don't think it's unreasonable for me to be annoyed when he spends a few hours on this project and then puts his name to it. If the individual facepacks he took images from were hard to find that would be another thing entirely, but these facepacks are easy to find. I think a little effort to credit the folks who did the actual work on these would have been easy to do. SkyDog, if you see this post, is there any reason you did not provide a readme crediting the folks who did the actual work? __________________ Bush/Cheney in '04: Peace in our time

06-30-2004, 04:21 PM	#219
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Skydog made an honest mistake, the compilation is now taken down, and in between there was hours of drama and potential enjoyment for every lurker on the two boards. Now everyone should let it die.

06-30-2004, 04:21 PM	#220
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	all that's missing is a sincere apology... __________________ Mile High Hockey

06-30-2004, 04:22 PM	#222
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Just listen to James Taylor and everything will be all better.

06-30-2004, 04:27 PM	#227
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	i apologize for calling you an assclown

06-30-2004, 04:27 PM	#228
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	I find it very strange that there is etiquette and manners for giving credit to someone who has used and abused other people's copyrighted work. I'm not taking sides here, but let's be honest - modding player pictures (that are someone else's work) is already borderline illegal (not making a profit from it helps). Saying SD was "bad" for not thanking someone doing borderline illegal stuff is just strange to me. Of course, I do understand that we in this community like modders and their work, so SD should probably thank him. However, talking about "morality" and books/music hypotheticals, just doesn't make sense. This is a shady practice, but one we all like and enjoy. SD made a mistake - who here hasn't made one? He offered to correct that mistake - that seems pretty fair to me. __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

06-30-2004, 04:32 PM	#239
MrIllini High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where you live	morality card SLAP __________________ if i said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

06-30-2004, 04:38 PM	#242
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	bummer!

06-30-2004, 04:38 PM	#243
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	but, bubbalicious, you got a deal my friend Last edited by korme : 06-30-2004 at 04:39 PM. Reason: no reason, but just thought i'd add that wsucougar is still assclown-extraordinare

06-30-2004, 04:39 PM	#244
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	chuckles and we show why FOFC is FOFC.. no matter how heated a topic gets, leave it unlocked long enough and we WILL get silly __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

06-30-2004, 04:50 PM	#250
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	guffaws madly Yer a nut, Shorty. I guess that's why I like ya! __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

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