College Football Week 15 (Championship) thread........ - Page 5

Eaglesfan27 · 12-07-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Have faith...I do. I think this could be a great game. I respect USC a lot, but they aren't as invincible as many pundits make them out to be.

I think it could be a great game, too. I think Penn State's defense is talented enough to make things very difficult for USC's offense which has been inconsistent. However, I think USC's defense will win the game for them (barring major injuries in the weeks leading up to the game.)

Dr. Sak · 12-07-2008, 12:39 PM

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I think it could be a great game, too. I think Penn State's defense is talented enough to make things very difficult for USC's offense which has been inconsistent. However, I think USC's defense will win the game for them (barring major injuries in the weeks leading up to the game.)

It all depends which Penn State game plan shows up. If it is the gameplan used against Purdue, Iowa, or Indiana, USC will kill Penn State. If they open it up and use the gameplan like Michigan State or Oregon State I think they can hang with USC.

I know USC fans wanted a tougher opponent, but I think this could be the second best bowl game out there. I am excited to go out to the Rose Bowl!

ISiddiqui · 12-07-2008, 01:08 PM

Interestingly in the AP Poll (which is not used for the BCS), Florida is ranked #1 (followed by Oklahoma, Texas, and Alabama)

TCY Junkie · 12-07-2008, 01:14 PM

Is Florida about .048 ahead in the coaches poll? I glanced at it and wondered if that was correct.

digamma · 12-07-2008, 01:24 PM

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Anyone have any insight here? In prediction markets, you can buy anyone but OU and UF very very cheaply. You think Texas has more than a 3-4% chance to get a berth?

The numbers guys on various message boards last night were putting it at about 80-20, depending on who stayed between Florida and Texas in the computer rankings (Utah was a key factor) and the spread in the coaches' and Harris polls. We have more data now--namely the coaches' poll, and the spread is large enough to make up for a lot of the computer disparity. With that, I'd say it's back down to 3-4%.

Some good that does you now.

kcchief19 · 12-07-2008, 02:20 PM

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Oh, come on. Lots of people said Oklahoma didn't deserve to be there. I think when people say for two consecutive weeks that Texas deserves to be there because they won head to head (as if that's all that matters in tie between three teams), it at the very least infers that Oklahoma doesn't deserve to be there because they lost head-to-head.

There is a real difference between saying someone deserves to be there more and saying OU didn't deserve to be there. Stoops didn't care about the distinction. He clearly told his team that anyone saying Texas deserved to be in the title game was saying OU didn't deserve to be there at all. That simply is not true. No one said that.

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Mizzou people pretty much said the first game was a fluke due to turnovers and they should have won. Chase Daniel said this week that he feels better about the game because he wasn't sick (with a cold) this week like he was last year at the Big 12 Championship. Again, I don't think anyone said "that was a fluke" but you can read between the lines (at least I can read between lines on comments, but I'm not incredibly angry right now).

I agree that last year a lot of the Tigers thought the first game was a fluke due to lucky turnovers. I didn't see Daniel's quote about being sick last year (which was true) but how can you draw a line from Chase saying he fells better that he's not sick to "Missouri saying all week our last two wins were a fluke?"

Whatever Stoops needs to motivate his team, that's fine. It just reveals him to be an insecure, egotistical jack. I'm starting to see why his mentor Bill Snyder hates his guts. He's a winner, but so was Barry Switzer.

Oh, I see ...

dawgfan · 12-07-2008, 02:37 PM

I'm really having a hard time understanding why Poli is so bothered by Carroll's decision to wear home jerseys yesterday. He tried to get the rule changed, it didn't happen in time for the game, so he accepted the established punishment for breaking the rule - losing a timeout.

He knew what the rule was, he knew what the punishment was, and he accepted the punishment. What's the big deal? It'd be one thing if Carroll was bitching about the punishment, but he didn't. Also worth considering is that Neuheisel had no problem with Carroll's actions, and in fact sacrificed a timeout himself in support.

As far as setting an example, pardon me if I disagree with the idea that you should never set an example of breaking a rule. Sometimes there are justifiable reasons for breaking the rules as a means of enacting change. It's obviously nowhere near the same galaxy of importance (and I don't mean to suggest otherwise), but an example of justifiable rule-breaking IMO can be found in the civil disobedience that characterized much of the civil rights movement, a course of action that Martin Luther King learned from the example of Ghandi.

This was an extremely minor rule in the grand scheme of things, and Carroll's actions will spur debate on this rule that probably wouldn't have happened otherwise.

MizzouRah · 12-07-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

It just reveals him to be an insecure, egotistical jack. I'm starting to see why his mentor Bill Snyder hates his guts. He's a winner, but so was Barry Switzer.

Oh, I see ...

I've always praised Stoops because I think he's a top notch recruiter and coach... too bad I don't respect him anymore.

Beat our ass, ok.. but to run the score up with your 1st team offense and defense wasn't necessary.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-07-2008, 02:51 PM

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He clearly told his team that anyone saying Texas deserved to be in the title game was saying OU didn't deserve to be there at all. That simply is not true. No one said that.

Umm ... since they both couldn't be there, htf could it be interpreted any other way?

Vegas Vic · 12-07-2008, 02:56 PM

The OU coaches and players were fed up with answering questions all week about whether or not they belonged. Yeah, they ran the score up, and I don't blame them one bit.

"I think it's fair to say that enough has been said about us in the last week or two through different entities or from whoever is doing it," Stoops said. "You know, Sam Bradford has sat out a total of two games, if you want to count up possession time over the entire year. Two games. Down the stretch there, he sat out the third quarter of probably three of our last four games. So if you can't get to a championship game and play to the end -- after all that's been talked about this week about us -- then I'm sorry. We're going to play to the end."

sooner333 · 12-07-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I've always praised Stoops because I think he's a top notch recruiter and coach... too bad I don't respect him anymore.

Beat our ass, ok.. but to run the score up with your 1st team offense and defense wasn't necessary.

Maybe you guys will return the favor two years from now (or next year in Arlington). You won't hear me complain, starters or not. To quote Billy Tubbs, "if you don't like it, get better."

sooner333 · 12-07-2008, 03:05 PM

Dola--how come nobody ever got on Tom Osborne for running it up? Is it because he seems like a nice guy?

MrBug708 · 12-07-2008, 03:10 PM

Brian, you're coming to LA?

Eaglesfan27 · 12-07-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Brian, you're coming to LA?

I'm thinking about it. Depends upon if I can get tickets without paying too high of a premium.

MrBug708 · 12-07-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Dola--how come nobody ever got on Tom Osborne for running it up? Is it because he seems like a nice guy?

Not sure how many message boards there were during Osborne's reign

Dr. Sak · 12-07-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I'm thinking about it. Depends upon if I can get tickets without paying too high of a premium.

Plane or tickets to the game?

cartman · 12-07-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

The numbers guys on various message boards last night were putting it at about 80-20, depending on who stayed between Florida and Texas in the computer rankings (Utah was a key factor) and the spread in the coaches' and Harris polls. We have more data now--namely the coaches' poll, and the spread is large enough to make up for a lot of the computer disparity. With that, I'd say it's back down to 3-4%.

Some good that does you now.

Looks like the magic number for Florida in the Harris Poll is going to be a 120 point lead. If they have the same margin in the Harris Poll as they do in the USA Today poll, they would be ahead of Texas by .006.

Eaglesfan27 · 12-07-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Plane or tickets to the game?

Tickets to the game.

sooner333 · 12-07-2008, 03:55 PM

They're already selling Florida vs. OU stuff on the Orange Bowl site. Of course, the picture of the t-shirt can always be changed if Texas somehow gets in there.

MizzouRah · 12-07-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Dola--how come nobody ever got on Tom Osborne for running it up? Is it because he seems like a nice guy?

Oh no, I can't stand that prick.

Honestly, I don't care about an ass beating.. I'm a believer that can help a team.. but at least look like you're not trying to humiliate a team.

I'm over it now.. but I don't think OU is a better team for winning by 40 than it would be by winning by 33.

MizzouRah · 12-07-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Maybe you guys will return the favor two years from now (or next year in Arlington). You won't hear me complain, starters or not. To quote Billy Tubbs, "if you don't like it, get better."

We have a LONG way to go before we can hang with Texas or Oklahoma.. unfortunetly.

Dr. Sak · 12-07-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Brian, you're coming to LA?

If you were talking to me...yes I am. I leave the 30th and come back the 2nd.

cartman · 12-07-2008, 04:40 PM

I guess they aren't going to release the Harris poll until the unveiling of the final BCS standings during the show tonight.

MrBug708 · 12-07-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

If you were talking to me...yes I am. I leave the 30th and come back the 2nd.

Initially ya

Where are you staying?

digamma · 12-07-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

They're already selling Florida vs. OU stuff on the Orange Bowl site. Of course, the picture of the t-shirt can always be changed if Texas somehow gets in there.

Particularly interesting since the Orange Bowl will be Virginia Tech against Cincinnati.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-07-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

Particularly interesting since the Orange Bowl will be Virginia Tech against Cincinnati.

Odd though it may seem, he's right

That's a featured image on their store site, paired with this one

In other words, the official Orange Bowl site has the UofF-OU shirt already but still has a generic image for their own game.

Chief Rum · 12-07-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Initially ya

Where are you staying?

Where ya been, Bug? We talked about this last week! I even mentioned you by name as someone who might be interested in a meet up.

Brian, is your visit (I assume) still contingent on getting tickets at a decent price? Or do you think you have a good source lined up already for those?

kcchief19 · 12-07-2008, 05:11 PM

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There is a real difference between saying someone deserves to be there more and saying OU didn't deserve to be there.

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm ... since they both couldn't be there, htf could it be interpreted any other way?

If I say Texas deserves to be there more, that isn't saying OU doesn't deserve to be there at all. No one said OU didn't have a solid case. I didn't hear ANYONE argue that Texas belongs in the title game and OU had no business being in the title game, which is what Bradford was saying. They both deserved to be there, but you could argue one deserved it more. That's not a slight at all.

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Dola--how come nobody ever got on Tom Osborne for running it up? Is it because he seems like a nice guy?

People jumped on him all the time, but like MrBug pointed out we didn't have an online world for everyone to scream about.

There's no reason to take it personally. I have nothing against OU fans. A big part of me hopes to see Bradford a Kansas City Chief one day. I just think Bob Stoops is a world class asshat and I'd like to see somebody to give him the same business. He's lost a lot of respect over the last month.

sooner333 · 12-07-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I'm over it now.. but I don't think OU is a better team for winning by 40 than it would be by winning by 33.

I'll agree with that statement, just as I would if Missouri scored to cut it to 25--after the first half, it didn't really matter what happened unless Mizzou went on a scoring rampage (which was possible, but definitely not when the last TD was scored). I wouldn't have minded to see Halzle come in either to see what he can do with the starting line since he really hasn't all season except for a drive against Tech which stalled at the one when Stoops put in all the seniors (which is most of the starting line).

sooner333 · 12-07-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

If I say Texas deserves to be there more, that isn't saying OU doesn't deserve to be there at all. No one said OU didn't have a solid case. I didn't hear ANYONE argue that Texas belongs in the title game and OU had no business being in the title game, which is what Bradford was saying. They both deserved to be there, but you could argue one deserved it more. That's not a slight at all.

People jumped on him all the time, but like MrBug pointed out we didn't have an online world for everyone to scream about.

There's no reason to take it personally. I have nothing against OU fans. A big part of me hopes to see Bradford a Kansas City Chief one day. I just think Bob Stoops is a world class asshat and I'd like to see somebody to give him the same business. He's lost a lot of respect over the last month.

Understandable. I still think that they wanted to prove that they were very deserving and I do know that the buzz around here was that OU was getting a lot of disrespect in the media...not just what Stoops told the team, but what people were feeling. I think there are arguments to be made for both sides, but it seems that the mainstream people all said the same thing and it's easy to interpret that as they belong and since there's room for only one, that you don't.

As to the second point...I honestly don't think Stoops had too much national respect left after losing the bowl games and the two national championship games. But, that's a legit opinion and I'm not going to hold it against you or anything like that. And you're right, it certainly could bite him in the ass sometime.

Logan · 12-07-2008, 05:30 PM

Rutgers will take on NC State in the Papa John's Bowl on December 29th. Interesting matchup considering how hot Rutgers has been and State's much-improved play over the past few games.

Friendly wager Radii?

JonInMiddleGA · 12-07-2008, 06:15 PM

Georgia to the Capital One vs Michigan State, LSU confirmed as the opponent for Georgia Tech in the Peach.

Maryland vs Nevada in the Humanitarian

Neuqua · 12-07-2008, 06:19 PM

Didn't think we were going to go bowling but 6-6 NIU will play La Tech in the Independence Bowl.

The extra practices will be nice.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-07-2008, 06:20 PM

Heh. Bet Vegas is anxiously awaiting the arrival of the BYU fan base

(FTR, nothing against them, I'm just not thinking they're going to be big spenders on the Strip)

Logan · 12-07-2008, 06:22 PM

Well the lack of spending on booze and strippers could be augmented by serving meals to a husband and his wives.

DeToxRox · 12-07-2008, 06:23 PM

Scout.com has had the last 4 weeks of the BCS 100% and it has UF at .98and UT at .92

Scout.com: 2008 BCS Rankings - FINAL ... OU vs. Florida

Vegas Vic · 12-07-2008, 06:43 PM

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Heh. Bet Vegas is anxiously awaiting the arrival of the BYU fan base

The Las Vegas Bowl doesn't care about the ancillary revenue to the city of Las Vegas. They only want to make sure that the game is a sellout. BYU has been to the Las Vegas bowl numerous times, and they always buy up more than their share of tickets. Heck, when they come here to play UNLV, they usually have more fans at Sam Boyd Stadium than UNLV has.

digamma · 12-07-2008, 06:53 PM

Coaches' ballots are public in the final coaches' poll: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graph...2008/flash.htm

There are a few interesting things to note:
1. Mack Brown, for all of his politicking, voted Florida #1 and Texas #2. I wonder if he got bad information. I would have thought his ranking would have been Texas, OU, Florida in that order.

2. Mike Leach voted Texas Tech second and Texas fifth. I guess he hates Mack.

3. Art Briles also voted Texas fifth. Mack really hasn't made many friends in his own conference.

4. By contrast, Mark Richt voted Florida and Alabama #1 and #2.

5. Kyle Whittingham of Utah abstained.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-07-2008, 06:53 PM

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The Las Vegas Bowl doesn't care about the ancillary revenue to the city of Las Vegas.

Didn't say the LVB was concerned with it, I said I figured the city was really looking forward to the visit.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-07-2008, 07:00 PM

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Coaches' ballots are public in the final coaches' poll: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graph...2008/flash.htm

Thought it was interesting to see how many of the voters are now unemployed.

Tommy Bowden, Sylvester Croom, Phil Fulmer, Joe Glenn, Rocky Long, Tommy Tuberville, and Tyrone Willingham.

Galaxy · 12-07-2008, 07:04 PM

Ok, Fox...This is not the NCAA basketball tournament. Stop trying to hype like it is.

sterlingice · 12-07-2008, 07:05 PM

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Coaches' ballots are public in the final coaches' poll: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graph...2008/flash.htm

Wow. Gary Pinkel hates the small conferences for some reason. He put Utah at #15 while no one else had them below 9 and Boise St at 16 for him, while no one else had them below 11. He also had Georgia Tech at 9, easily their highest.

SI

Vegas Vic · 12-07-2008, 07:06 PM

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Didn't say the LVB was concerned with it, I said I figured the city was really looking forward to the visit.

The revenue to the city from this game is negligible. For instance, the typical Mountain West fan would obviously bring more gambling revenue than the BYU fan, but there aren't enough of them to make a difference. Any other MWC team would be lucky to bring 5,000 fans, while BYU brings 20,000 fans to this game, and they do spend money on hotels and restaurants. The security staff at Sam Boyd Stadium loves the BYU fans. They don't get into drunken brawls, and they're the most well behaved fans that you'll ever see.

digamma · 12-07-2008, 07:08 PM

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The revenue to the city from this game is negligible.

Even this year?

sterlingice · 12-07-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

2. Mike Leach voted Texas Tech second and Texas fifth. I guess he hates Mack.

If you were Leach, wouldn't you be pissed? The guy spent the last 3 weeks of politicking by diminishing your team and how you beat him. Wouldn't you vote yourself better than him head-to-head?

SI

JonInMiddleGA · 12-07-2008, 07:13 PM

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He also had Georgia Tech at 9, easily their highest.

Not all that "easily", Tommy Bowden had GT at #10, Mike Bielema had them at #11.

Dr. Sak · 12-07-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Where ya been, Bug? We talked about this last week! I even mentioned you by name as someone who might be interested in a meet up.

Brian, is your visit (I assume) still contingent on getting tickets at a decent price? Or do you think you have a good source lined up already for those?

I got my tickets from a guy who isn't going to the game but bought them for me at face value. I am not sure the exact location where i am staying. We are staying at my friend's uncle's house. His uncle will be in Pittsburgh and is letting us stay there for free. He told us it is 15 minutes from the Airport and 45 minutes from the Rose Bowl.

digamma · 12-07-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

If you were Leach, wouldn't you be pissed? The guy spent the last 3 weeks of politicking by diminishing your team and how you beat him. Wouldn't you vote yourself better than him head-to-head?

SI

I would think that you would want two teams from your conference in the national title game (yes, I realize that the conference pay-out is the same for having two BCS teams), so you might rank them Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas.

Chief Rum · 12-07-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

I got my tickets from a guy who isn't going to the game but bought them for me at face value. I am not sure the exact location where i am staying. We are staying at my friend's uncle's house. His uncle will be in Pittsburgh and is letting us stay there for free. He told us it is 15 minutes from the Airport and 45 minutes from the Rose Bowl.

Awesome, sounds like West LA area, maybe Manhattan Beach. Is your friend's uncle wealthy?

Sounds like a good base out of which to operate.

Dr. Sak · 12-07-2008, 07:15 PM

Anyone think that if Texas beats Ohio State handily and Oklahoma beats Florida that the AP will vote Texas their champion?

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12-07-2008, 02:37 PM	#207
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	I'm really having a hard time understanding why Poli is so bothered by Carroll's decision to wear home jerseys yesterday. He tried to get the rule changed, it didn't happen in time for the game, so he accepted the established punishment for breaking the rule - losing a timeout. He knew what the rule was, he knew what the punishment was, and he accepted the punishment. What's the big deal? It'd be one thing if Carroll was bitching about the punishment, but he didn't. Also worth considering is that Neuheisel had no problem with Carroll's actions, and in fact sacrificed a timeout himself in support. As far as setting an example, pardon me if I disagree with the idea that you should never set an example of breaking a rule. Sometimes there are justifiable reasons for breaking the rules as a means of enacting change. It's obviously nowhere near the same galaxy of importance (and I don't mean to suggest otherwise), but an example of justifiable rule-breaking IMO can be found in the civil disobedience that characterized much of the civil rights movement, a course of action that Martin Luther King learned from the example of Ghandi. This was an extremely minor rule in the grand scheme of things, and Carroll's actions will spur debate on this rule that probably wouldn't have happened otherwise.

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Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	The OU coaches and players were fed up with answering questions all week about whether or not they belonged. Yeah, they ran the score up, and I don't blame them one bit. "I think it's fair to say that enough has been said about us in the last week or two through different entities or from whoever is doing it," Stoops said. "You know, Sam Bradford has sat out a total of two games, if you want to count up possession time over the entire year. Two games. Down the stretch there, he sat out the third quarter of probably three of our last four games. So if you can't get to a championship game and play to the end -- after all that's been talked about this week about us -- then I'm sorry. We're going to play to the end."

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sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Dola--how come nobody ever got on Tom Osborne for running it up? Is it because he seems like a nice guy?

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MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Brian, you're coming to LA?

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sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	They're already selling Florida vs. OU stuff on the Orange Bowl site. Of course, the picture of the t-shirt can always be changed if Texas somehow gets in there.

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Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Rutgers will take on NC State in the Papa John's Bowl on December 29th. Interesting matchup considering how hot Rutgers has been and State's much-improved play over the past few games. Friendly wager Radii?

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JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Heh. Bet Vegas is anxiously awaiting the arrival of the BYU fan base (FTR, nothing against them, I'm just not thinking they're going to be big spenders on the Strip) __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 12-07-2008 at 06:21 PM.

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Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Well the lack of spending on booze and strippers could be augmented by serving meals to a husband and his wives.

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DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Scout.com has had the last 4 weeks of the BCS 100% and it has UF at .98and UT at .92 Scout.com: 2008 BCS Rankings - FINAL ... OU vs. Florida

12-07-2008, 06:53 PM	#238
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Coaches' ballots are public in the final coaches' poll: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graph...2008/flash.htm There are a few interesting things to note: 1. Mack Brown, for all of his politicking, voted Florida #1 and Texas #2. I wonder if he got bad information. I would have thought his ranking would have been Texas, OU, Florida in that order. 2. Mike Leach voted Texas Tech second and Texas fifth. I guess he hates Mack. 3. Art Briles also voted Texas fifth. Mack really hasn't made many friends in his own conference. 4. By contrast, Mark Richt voted Florida and Alabama #1 and #2. 5. Kyle Whittingham of Utah abstained.

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Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Ok, Fox...This is not the NCAA basketball tournament. Stop trying to hype like it is.

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Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Anyone think that if Texas beats Ohio State handily and Oklahoma beats Florida that the AP will vote Texas their champion?

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