Death on Disney Ride - Page 5

korme · 06-29-2008, 12:08 PM

Got to feel for the other guy. More likely that he was in the do category rather than don't.

Axxon · 06-29-2008, 12:17 PM

It said the two guys went out of the park to get some lunch. I doubt it very seriously. Most likely they went off park to smoke their lunch. It makes sense. Doesn't really excuse the stupidity of his actions but I'm just saying.

Shkspr · 06-29-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I seriously doubt the family gets a dime

Family will get a couple hundred grand. Some lawyer will convince them it was the park's fault, they'll threaten to sue, and the park will offer a settlement to keep the case from going to trial, in the expectation that people will forget the two incidents that have happened on this ride if they aren't reminded of it when the case comes to trial in May 2009.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-29-2008, 12:48 PM

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in the expectation that people will forget the two incidents that have happened on this ride if they aren't reminded of it when the case comes to trial in May 2009.

If you mean potential jurors, why would it matter if they remembered or not? In each case, the "victim" was clearly at fault, and either a jury is going to disregard that fact & hand out undeserved cash or they're going to tell the profiteering plaintiffs to go jump.

If you mean park patrons in general, damned if I imagine this is going to dissuade anyone from going to the park.

Lathum · 06-29-2008, 12:55 PM

I think I recall seeing somewhere that six flags is denying any liability in the suit where the girl almost lost her legs so they may fight this.

Axxon · 06-29-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think I recall seeing somewhere that six flags is denying any liability in the suit where the girl almost lost her legs so they may fight this.

This case is a slam dunk. The other case is a bit more problematic since it was a park worker who was involved.

Greyroofoo · 06-29-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

If you mean potential jurors, why would it matter if they remembered or not? In each case, the "victim" was clearly at fault, and either a jury is going to disregard that fact & hand out undeserved cash or they're going to tell the profiteering plaintiffs to go jump.

If you mean park patrons in general, damned if I imagine this is going to dissuade anyone from going to the park.

I think it will dissuade the people who only read the headlines instead of the actual story.

CU Tiger · 06-29-2008, 01:13 PM

Devil's Advocate/Ass-hole lawyer angle: The ride, by design, swings cars and people on the outside of a track. If the park had invested a modest sum, they could encapsulate the entire flight path of the car with a roll cage type design that would not only have prevented 2 deaths but would also serve to protect riders from the actions of others on the ground. Clearly the park is more concerned about saving a few dollars than protecting its patrons.

I dont believe that POV for a second, Im just saying it will be presented.

That said, it wasnt a bright move, but not necessarily Darwin award stupid either. I can almost see myself at say 15 pulling something similar to get a laugh...

Greyroofoo · 06-29-2008, 01:21 PM

I call it Darwin stupid.

Vegas Vic · 06-29-2008, 01:28 PM

Granted, the kid lost his head, but you guys are being pretty tough on him.

Bad-example · 06-29-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Granted, the kid lost his head, but you guys are being pretty tough on him.

Someone had to say it.

Shkspr · 06-29-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

If you mean park patrons in general, damned if I imagine this is going to dissuade anyone from going to the park.

I'm skeptical that the headline, "Jury Selection Begins in Theme Park Decapitation Trial", ideally timed at the beginning of theme-park going season, will have no effect on park attendance. At the very least, it'll cost money for the park to offset the publicity with positive spin.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-29-2008, 05:20 PM

Although there's at least some hope that the family isn't going to try to cash in on their offspring's stupidity ("We're awaiting the results of the investigation. We're going to have someone investigate, too," his father said. "We're not blaming the park." ... the root of the problem is still pretty evident to me.

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"He didn't do anything wrong," Ferguson said. "He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time."

He scaled two fences into a secure area. That's "wrong" whether he gets his fool head knocked off or not. Either this guy is still in denial or his genetic contribution is in part to blame for his son's death.

molson · 06-29-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shkspr

I'm skeptical that the headline, "Jury Selection Begins in Theme Park Decapitation Trial", ideally timed at the beginning of theme-park going season, will have no effect on park attendance. At the very least, it'll cost money for the park to offset the publicity with positive spin.

No way this would ever get to a jury trial even if the kid's family wanted to fight it to the end, the park would win a motion to dismiss.

MAYBE they pay funeral costs or something, no way there's any kind of real settlement here.

Toddzilla · 06-29-2008, 05:51 PM

Unfortunately, it isn't against the law to be stupid. I'm sure the family lawyer will say that - given the ride had to potential to kill someone if they got underneath of it - the park should have done more to prevent people getting near it than just a climbable fence with a few signs.

In fact, the more I think about it, 6 Flags certainly *should* have done more to restrict access to the part of the ride that's kill-able. Yes, they should take into account that there are stupid people at their park as well as kids who don't obey signs. Seriously, if 6 Flags really didn't want anyone wandering around under the ride, they'd make sure no one could get under there.

Axxon · 06-29-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Unfortunately, it isn't against the law to be stupid. I'm sure the family lawyer will say that - given the ride had to potential to kill someone if they got underneath of it - the park should have done more to prevent people getting near it than just a climbable fence with a few signs.

In fact, the more I think about it, 6 Flags certainly *should* have done more to restrict access to the part of the ride that's kill-able. Yes, they should take into account that there are stupid people at their park as well as kids who don't obey signs. Seriously, if 6 Flags really didn't want anyone wandering around under the ride, they'd make sure no one could get under there.

Absolutely.The fences should have been electrified. There definitely needed to be a shark filled moat. Only then, should the visitors have encountered the guard dogs after which they could navigate the mine field. After that, a zone filled with sleeping gas and then a open area with snipers armed with tasers.

Of course, they'd need to have F16's sorties in case someone tried to parachute in to the killing zone and the entire zone would have to have 6 foot thick floors to prevent anyone from tunneling into it.

Anything less just simply is inviting people to ignore the posted warnings and do something stupid.

Oh, and they should tag every customer with a GPS locator so they can track them no matter where they go. No matter the expense, they must do the impossible and idiot proof their rides.

Really, they just shouldn't have rides. You can never tell what the stupid are going to come up with.

Amusement Parks are the lottery of the 2000's.

Lathum · 06-29-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Unfortunately, it isn't against the law to be stupid. I'm sure the family lawyer will say that - given the ride had to potential to kill someone if they got underneath of it - the park should have done more to prevent people getting near it than just a climbable fence with a few signs.

In fact, the more I think about it, 6 Flags certainly *should* have done more to restrict access to the part of the ride that's kill-able. Yes, they should take into account that there are stupid people at their park as well as kids who don't obey signs. Seriously, if 6 Flags really didn't want anyone wandering around under the ride, they'd make sure no one could get under there.

gimme a break.

Drive past any 50,000 Volt transformer and it's only protected by a fence and warning signs.

MJ4H · 06-29-2008, 06:17 PM

dude having an electric fence right next to a moat has to be some sort of safety hazard

Axxon · 06-29-2008, 06:21 PM

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dude having an electric fence right next to a moat has to be some sort of safety hazard

True, we'll swap the mine field with the moat then. That'd make it safe.

Easy Mac · 06-29-2008, 06:26 PM

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dude having an electric fence right next to a moat has to be some sort of safety hazard

its fine as long as you don't whiz on it

BrianD · 06-29-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

In fact, the more I think about it, 6 Flags certainly *should* have done more to restrict access to the part of the ride that's kill-able. Yes, they should take into account that there are stupid people at their park as well as kids who don't obey signs. Seriously, if 6 Flags really didn't want anyone wandering around under the ride, they'd make sure no one could get under there.

Am I wrong for thinking that a ride traveling that fast should be enough of a warning itself to stay away from it? The fence pretty clearly marks the area of danger so anyone climbing the fence should be on their own.

Lathum · 06-29-2008, 06:31 PM

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Am I wrong for thinking that a ride traveling that fast should be enough of a warning itself to stay away from it? The fence pretty clearly marks the area of danger so anyone climbing the fence should be on their own.

2 fences.

and warning signs.

BrianD · 06-29-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

2 fences.

and warning signs.

Way more than should be necessary. The extra warnings are fine if the park wants to be extra cautious, but the first fence should be sufficient...if people in this country weren't stupid and overly-litigious.

Axxon · 06-29-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

2 fences.

and warning signs.

I'm still pushing for the shark filled moat though.

At least we can get that. Hell, put a platform over it and sell tickets. I'd pay.

sterlingice · 06-29-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Absolutely.The fences should have been electrified. There definitely needed to be a shark filled moat. Only then, should the visitors have encountered the guard dogs after which they could navigate the mine field. After that, a zone filled with sleeping gas and then a open area with snipers armed with tasers.

Of course, they'd need to have F16's sorties in case someone tried to parachute in to the killing zone and the entire zone would have to have 6 foot thick floors to prevent anyone from tunneling into it.

Anything less just simply is inviting people to ignore the posted warnings and do something stupid.

Oh, and they should tag every customer with a GPS locator so they can track them no matter where they go. No matter the expense, they must do the impossible and idiot proof their rides.

Really, they just shouldn't have rides. You can never tell what the stupid are going to come up with.

Amusement Parks are the lottery of the 2000's.

SI

larrymcg421 · 06-29-2008, 09:24 PM

You know, as I've said, Six Flags is not at fault here, and they have every reason to believe that the warning signs that were in place and common sense should be enough to deter people. However, I like to ride the Batman ride, and I'd rather not kick someone in the head. I won't feel any better just because it was a stupid person, and neither will my foot. I don't see how it could hurt to make it more difficult to get to that area.

Lathum · 06-29-2008, 09:28 PM

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I don't see how it could hurt to make it more difficult to get to that area.

realisticly what more do you think they should do?

Axxon · 06-29-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

realisticly what more do you think they should do?

Deep water filled trench

filled with

large, finned fish

maybe.

Just a thought.

panerd · 06-29-2008, 10:02 PM

If the impact was hard enough to take off his head what happened to the rider's foot? Or was it the ride that hit him in the head. I have to agree with the poster above who said the rest of that ride must of really sucked. So would waiting in line for about an hour to be in the first car, being told the ride is being shut down, getting pissing off about it, and then finding out some asshole lost his head.

Toddzilla · 06-29-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

realisticly what more do you think they should do?

Off the top of my head, build a higher, non/less-climbable fence.

I can see 3 of them from my deck:

a 12-foot high board-on-board fence between my property and the street.
a 10-foot high chain-link fence with barbed-wire circling the retention pond down the road.
a 20-foot high concrete wall that blocks off the sound between the highway and the condo's next to them.

So it's not unheard of, nor impossible. Too expensive? Yep.

CU Tiger · 06-29-2008, 10:11 PM

Investigating reports that deceased entered area though an open gate.

Axxon · 06-29-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

[*]a 10-foot high chain-link fence with barbed-wire circling the retention pond down the road.

Is it filled with sharks?

spleen1015 · 06-29-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Off the top of my head, build a higher, non/less-climbable fence.

I can see 3 of them from my deck:

a 12-foot high board-on-board fence between my property and the street.
a 10-foot high chain-link fence with barbed-wire circling the retention pond down the road.
a 20-foot high concrete wall that blocks off the sound between the highway and the condo's next to them.

So it's not unheard of, nor impossible. Too expensive? Yep.

So, you live in a prison?

Lathum · 06-29-2008, 10:43 PM

I agree they could have put barbed wire on the top but be real, the kids were gonna jump the fence no matter how high, and like I said earlier, jumping the fence isn't the stupid thing, jumping at a moving roller coaster is why he gets the darwin award.

bhlloy · 06-29-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

So it's not unheard of, nor impossible. Too expensive? Yep.

Which brings us to the next question. Are people happy to have a $5/$10 hike on ticket prices, so the park can build unclimable walls around every single ride to prevent stupid people killing themselves?

If the gate was really left open, ugh. That's not good and the park are going to pay for that.

Axxon · 06-29-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Which brings us to the next question. Are people happy to have a $5/$10 hike on ticket prices, so the park can build unclimable walls around every single ride to prevent stupid people killing themselves?

Not for unclimbable walls but I know what I'd pay the extra money for.

Lathum · 06-29-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Not for unclimbable walls but I know what I'd pay the extra money for.

handjobs?

Toddzilla · 06-29-2008, 10:48 PM

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Is it filled with sharks?

Hell if I know..I ripped a hole in my pants and scratched my ass up something awful last time I tried to climb it.

Axxon · 06-29-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

handjobs?

Well, not at an amusement park but good answer.

larrymcg421 · 06-29-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Which brings us to the next question. Are people happy to have a $5/$10 hike on ticket prices, so the park can build unclimable walls around every single ride to prevent stupid people killing themselves?

It wouldn't have to be every single ride. The nature of the Batman ride (hanging below the track) is how these incidents happened. If the kid climbed the fence for the Mindbender or Scream Machine for example, then he wouldn't be dead right now.

Lathum · 06-29-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

It wouldn't have to be every single ride. The nature of the Batman ride (hanging below the track) is how these incidents happened. .

no.

these incidents happen because stupid kids do stupid things

larrymcg421 · 06-30-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

no.

these incidents happen because stupid kids do stupid things

Okay, I've posted at least 3 or 4 times in here already that the kid was stupid and the park was not at fault. However, my point in that last post was that the stupid kid would not have been decapitated by other rides. Just because the park isn't at fault doesn't mean they shouldn't still try to do something to try and prevent further incidents from happening. Alot of stupid people go to Six Flags.

Lathum · 06-30-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Okay, I've posted at least 3 or 4 times in here already that the kid was stupid and the park was not at fault. However, my point in that last post was that the stupid kid would not have been decapitated by other rides. Just because the park isn't at fault doesn't mean they shouldn't still try to do something to try and prevent further incidents from happening. Alot of stupid people go to Six Flags.

why should the park be responsible for protecting people against themselves?

larrymcg421 · 06-30-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

why should the park be responsible for protecting people against themselves?

So you don't think they should have a fence up at all?

Lathum · 06-30-2008, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

So you don't think they should have a fence up at all?

I never said that but I don't think they need a fortess erected.

and to be honest the kid would have been killed regardless of the fence because he was dumb enough to leap into a moving roller coaster.

molson · 06-30-2008, 12:37 AM

With any accident, someone could have done "a little more" to prevent it. That's not negligence.

This kid probably would have killed a family or something driving drunk or racing in a year or two. Good riddance.

larrymcg421 · 06-30-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

With any accident, someone could have done "a little more" to prevent it. That's not negligence.

Who is arguing that the park is negligent?

Schmidty · 06-30-2008, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

This kid probably would have killed a family or something driving drunk or racing in a year or two. Good riddance.

I don't even know where to start with this comment, and I don't feel like getting into another shit storm, so I'll just say that you must be a fortune teller, and a perfect person.

rkmsuf · 06-30-2008, 08:44 AM

Uh yeah. Batman claims another. These rides are awesome.

I wonder if the people riding were like "wow, cool special effects".

Mustang · 06-30-2008, 08:53 AM

Clearly the Batman ride needs to move slower. The speed of Mr. Toads Wild Ride should work.

06-29-2008, 12:17 PM	#202
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06-29-2008, 01:13 PM	#208
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Devil's Advocate/Ass-hole lawyer angle: The ride, by design, swings cars and people on the outside of a track. If the park had invested a modest sum, they could encapsulate the entire flight path of the car with a roll cage type design that would not only have prevented 2 deaths but would also serve to protect riders from the actions of others on the ground. Clearly the park is more concerned about saving a few dollars than protecting its patrons. I dont believe that POV for a second, Im just saying it will be presented. That said, it wasnt a bright move, but not necessarily Darwin award stupid either. I can almost see myself at say 15 pulling something similar to get a laugh... Last edited by CU Tiger : 06-29-2008 at 01:14 PM.

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06-29-2008, 09:24 PM	#226
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	You know, as I've said, Six Flags is not at fault here, and they have every reason to believe that the warning signs that were in place and common sense should be enough to deter people. However, I like to ride the Batman ride, and I'd rather not kick someone in the head. I won't feel any better just because it was a stupid person, and neither will my foot. I don't see how it could hurt to make it more difficult to get to that area. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

06-30-2008, 08:44 AM	#249
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Uh yeah. Batman claims another. These rides are awesome. I wonder if the people riding were like "wow, cool special effects". __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

06-29-2008, 12:08 PM	#201
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Got to feel for the other guy. More likely that he was in the do category rather than don't.

06-29-2008, 12:55 PM	#205
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think I recall seeing somewhere that six flags is denying any liability in the suit where the girl almost lost her legs so they may fight this.

06-29-2008, 01:21 PM	#209
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	I call it Darwin stupid.

06-29-2008, 01:28 PM	#210
Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	Granted, the kid lost his head, but you guys are being pretty tough on him.

06-29-2008, 05:51 PM	#215
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Unfortunately, it isn't against the law to be stupid. I'm sure the family lawyer will say that - given the ride had to potential to kill someone if they got underneath of it - the park should have done more to prevent people getting near it than just a climbable fence with a few signs. In fact, the more I think about it, 6 Flags certainly should have done more to restrict access to the part of the ride that's kill-able. Yes, they should take into account that there are stupid people at their park as well as kids who don't obey signs. Seriously, if 6 Flags really didn't want anyone wandering around under the ride, they'd make sure no one could get under there.

06-29-2008, 10:02 PM	#229
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	If the impact was hard enough to take off his head what happened to the rider's foot? Or was it the ride that hit him in the head. I have to agree with the poster above who said the rest of that ride must of really sucked. So would waiting in line for about an hour to be in the first car, being told the ride is being shut down, getting pissing off about it, and then finding out some asshole lost his head.

06-29-2008, 10:11 PM	#231
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Investigating reports that deceased entered area though an open gate.

06-29-2008, 10:43 PM	#234
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I agree they could have put barbed wire on the top but be real, the kids were gonna jump the fence no matter how high, and like I said earlier, jumping the fence isn't the stupid thing, jumping at a moving roller coaster is why he gets the darwin award.

06-30-2008, 12:37 AM	#246
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	With any accident, someone could have done "a little more" to prevent it. That's not negligence. This kid probably would have killed a family or something driving drunk or racing in a year or two. Good riddance.

06-30-2008, 08:53 AM	#250
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