NFL Coaching hiring/firing Thread

[Crim]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Teams that lost to the Oakland Raiders in 2008

NY Jets - fired HC
Denver - fired HC
TB Bucs - fired HC and GM
Houston - fired Def. Coordinator and 2 other defensive coaches
KC Chiefs - Fired GM and everyone is still waiting for the axe fall on Edwards

LOL Awesome, sab!

[JeeberD]

Cowboys fired (or are going to fire) DC Brian Stewart. If Garrett goes to the Rams and Stewart is gone, I'm hoping that Wade takes a step down and becomes our DC and Shanahan or Cowher becomes our HC...

Never gonna happen, but at least I can dream.

[stevew]

Yeah. I guess when Jerry says "the coaches are in place" it doesn't mean what I think that means. Jerry should just fire wade now and get it over with. Bring in Martyball or Dan Reeves or Billick as those guys are much more realistic than Cowher.

And when Cowher comes back eventually, I will be shocked if he's as successful as people think he will be. I appreciate the one win he got us, but I can't help but think he easily had the teams to win 2 to 3 more. He's a great motivator but I think he's average at best at making in game decisions and adjustments.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Anthony

copycat league. success of rookie coaches in Atlanta and Baltimore and Miami has everyone jumping in the rookie coach bandwagon. i wouldn't dump Gruden for a rookie coach. the guy won a SB in this decade. what have you done for me lately has never proven to be an effective way to run a team. Tampa Bay is setting back a playoff contending team numerous years.

Fixed.

[Lathum]

Anyone else think Gruden goes the the Broncos so he can stick it to the Raiders twice a year.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Anyone else think Gruden goes the the Broncos so he can stick it to the Raiders twice a year.

Josh McDaniels might have something to say about that.

[dervack]

Gruden to Notre Dame after next season. If Gruden doesn't land a HC job this offseason.

[cartman]

So the word now out of St. Louis is now that Spagnuolo will be named head coach, not Jason Garrett.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by dervack

Gruden to Notre Dame after next season. If Gruden doesn't land a HC job this offseason.

I wouldn't be surprised if he sits out a year and waits for the head coaching jobs to be reshuffled again and he gets a better chance at picking where he wants to go.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Tomlin had five years as a position coach and a year at DC before getting the Steelers job. Morris was with the Bucs the first time four four seasons, one as quality control coach (really?), one as a defensive assistant (no, not assistant coach or even an assistant position coach, just an assistant) and two years as assistant DB coach (I didn't even realize the NFL had assistant position coaches). He has a total of two years of NFL experience as a position coach.

I hear the argument that rookie coaches are hot (Mike Smith is 49, however). Mike Tomlin is young but is much more experienced than Morris is. Lane Kiffen had slightly more experience than Morris and we saw how well that went down. Josh McDaniels is young too but has vast more experience that Morris. While young rookie coaches are a bit of a trend, it's usually teams looking outside the organization for a fresh take.

Tampa just seemed to randomly promote whoever happened to be standing there when they fired the GM and coach.

Morris was the defensive coordinator at Kansas State for a year and just has more experience in college than he does in the NFL.

Josh McDaniels is just as young and inexperienced, but he got promoted. That's all.

I don't think it's a trend. They figured it was cheaper and easier to go with a guy that probably would've gotten the keys to someone else's organization sooner rather than later, especially if the team is sputtering anyway and needs to go in a new direction.

I don't see it necessarily as a bad move. I think McDaniels to Denver is a lot more worrysome, because that team is accustomed to win and already has a strong foundation in place, so if the young guy doesn't assert himself early, he'll lose that locker room before it starts.

More to the point, I think the Dungy line of head coaches has wiped the Belichick line off the map. While not a safe bet that he'll be better, they surely could've done worse and cost themselves a lot more money long-term.

Seems like a low risk move.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by cartman

So the word now out of St. Louis is now that Spagnuolo will be named head coach, not Jason Garrett.

Spagnuolo tabbed to become the next Rams head coach

I had to go through years of crappy defensive play calling from the Giants previous DC and now that they finally got a good one, he gets taken away after 2 years.

Oh well. I'm happy for him, but I don't know what the Giants do now. I also wonder how many people from both the Giants and Eagles he'll be taking with him.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Spagnuolo tabbed to become the next Rams head coach

I had to go through years of crappy defensive play calling from the Giants previous DC and now that they finally got a good one, he gets taken away after 2 years.

Oh well. I'm happy for him, but I don't know what the Giants do now. I also wonder how many people from both the Giants and Eagles he'll be taking with him.

Wow.. I'm a little surprised.. but sounds like a good hire.

[Warhammer]

Thank goodness they actually made a good move. Now if they would move back to LA I would be in heaven.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Wow.. I'm a little surprised.. but sounds like a good hire.

I'm happy with Spags. Tired of them bringing in the offensive geniuses. Let's get back to being a defensive club like the old Rams of the 70's and early 80's.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Sweed

I'm happy with Spags. Tired of them bringing in the offensive geniuses. Let's get back to being a defensive club like the old Rams of the 70's and early 80's.

Agreed.. I just thought Leslie Frazier was going to be the hire.

Time will tell, but I'm happy with the hiring... especially since we have drafted defensive players early in the draft over the past few years.

[Logan]

Spags is really loved here in NY, and if it makes the STL fans feel better, my Giant fan friends are pretty devastated. They knew they were lucky to keep him past last season, and once it started looking like he might not get a job this time around, they got their hopes up.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Logan

Spags is really loved here in NY, and if it makes the STL fans feel better, my Giant fan friends are pretty devastated. They knew they were lucky to keep him past last season, and once it started looking like he might not get a job this time around, they got their hopes up.

I've heard this from alot of NYG fans!

I'm just sooooo happy it wasn't Garrett of the Cowboys.

[Senator]

sigh

[miami_fan]

Rex Ryan is heading to the Jets. Something just feels right about the Raiders having the last coaching vacancy.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Rex Ryan is heading to the Jets. Something just feels right about the Raiders having the last coaching vacancy.

Until we know Herm is safe, I'm not sure you can take too much pride.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Until we know Herm is safe, I'm not sure you can take too much pride.

I thought it was reported yesterday that Herm would get one more year.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I thought it was reported yesterday that Herm would get one more year.

I missed that then.

[Cringer]

Dom Capers is the Packers new DC. I guess we really start the move to a 3-4, which all the DC's that were talked about would have done. Slowly I am sure, can't switch overnight they say.

Dom Capers came out of nowhere to me though. I guess the Giants were going to try to get him, rumor has it.

[flere-imsaho]

I have to say I'm enjoying this (almost yearly) game of seeing who the sucker is going to be who takes the Raiders' job.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I have to say I'm enjoying this (almost yearly) game of seeing who the sucker is going to be who takes the Raiders' job.

Seems smart to me. Take the job, get fired and then get a better job. It's working out alright for Norv and Lane.

[duckman]

Al Davis going to luck out and get a HC that will get him to a Super Bowl, and then fire him because he won't throw the long ball.

[Cringer]

Watching the McCarthy press conference right now. I love the press trying to get McCarthy to say "I screwed up my coaching hires three years ago." He brushed it off well enough, but still funny.

McCarthy says he prefers the 3-4 Defense, always has. The personnel changes on defense will be interesting. McCarthy has said several times he thinks the players we have can fit well in the 3-4. Sounds like Kampman is someone they are already thinking of moving around in this. Jenkins, if healthy, I agree could do well at DE in a 3-4. He also mention Pickett as NT.

I guess the good thing is we won't need as many DT's.

They make it sound like this will NOT be a slow change to the 3-4. They will still run some 4-3 stuff, but it sounds like it's full steam ahead.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I missed that then.

I definitely could be wrong on this. However if they do fire him, would it surprise you if the Chiefs hire a coach before the Raiders?

[Suburban Rhythm]

So I can't be the only one, but everytime I hear something about the Raiders and Don Martindale, I picture this-

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I definitely could be wrong on this. However if they do fire him, would it surprise you if the Chiefs hire a coach before the Raiders?

Collinsworth: Haley will be Chiefs' new coach | Red Zone

you might want to see what Collinsworth thinks about the situation in KC (not that I trust what he says further than I can throw him).

[kcchief19]

Collinsworth's analysis appears to be pure speculation, not entirely different from the speculation by Boomer Essiason that Pioli wants to wait for Bill Cowher.

Considering that the Chiefs haven't made a move yet, it's reasonable to speculate that Pioli is either waiting for someone to make up their mind or waiting for someone to become available. I really don't believe Cowher or anyone in that group of coaches will work for a GM with total control, so it certainly seems reasonable to conclude that Kansas City wants a coordinator who is still working.

Plus, Pioli and Haley have a history together and Haley is from the Parcells coaching tree who was with him with the Jets and the Cowboys.

[Thomkal]

No, I don't want Haley to leave the Cards! Actually I kinda thought the Raiders might have been interested since they've had a long time to get a new coach. But I think Haley's days are probably numbered in Arizona given what the Cards offense has done this season and especially in the playoffs.

Pioli's had enough time to talk with Herm Edwards like he said he wanted to and decide on his future with the team. He didn't send Edwards to scout the Senior Bowl, which apparantly most NFL head coaches go to.

[RedKingGold]

49ERS LOOK TO THE PAST IN OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR SEARCH

Posted by Josh Alper on January 23, 2009, 2:30 p.m. EST

A surprising name has surfaced in the 49ers’ search for a new offensive coordinator. Former Broncos, Giants and Falcons head coach Dan Reeves will interview for the job, according to both Adam Schefter and FOX’s Jay Glazer.

Schefter says the interview will take place on Friday afternoon while Glazer places it sometime in the next 24 hours. Schefter says that Mike Singletary has had a hard time finding someone he trusts to call plays for the 49ers, and Reeves’ experience would seem to be enough to clear that stumbling block.

Reeves has been out of coaching since 2003 when the Falcons fired him.

He currently works as a color commentator for Westwood One’s national radio broadcasts on Sunday afternoons. Reeves coached the Broncos to three Super Bowls in the 80’s and took the Falcons to their only Super Bowl in 1998.

According to Schefter, if all goes well in the interview Reeves could be hired at some point this weekend.

Not sure what to think of this.

[DataKing]

Interesting about Reeves, though with guys who have been removed from coaching for that long, you have to wonder if they've kept up with the times, or if the game appears to have passed them by (see Art Shell, circa 2006).

[Barkeep49]

I think this would be a positive move overall, even if Reeves isn't the strongest. I think Singletary could benefit from Reeve's experience.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I like Linehan as Lions O-Coordinator.

Think Culpepper to C.J. had anything to do with his hiring?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

I like Linehan as Lions O-Coordinator.

Think Culpepper to C.J. had anything to do with his hiring?

Could be a decent hire. Some guys just aren't cut out to be head coaches, but make great coordinators (Morningweg) or position coaches (Marinelli).

I really hope that this doesn't mean the Lions decide to keep Culpepper though. He was bad. Really, really bad.

[RedKingGold]

ESPN is reporting that the Chiefs have fired Herm Edwards and are close to a contract with Mike Shanahan to take over.

EDIT: Hello Rooney Rule violation!

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

ESPN is reporting that the Chiefs have fired Herm Edwards and are close to a contract with Mike Shanahan to take over.

EDIT: Hello Rooney Rule violation!

Unless they talked to Herm about his job!

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Teams that lost to the Oakland Raiders in 2008

NY Jets - fired HC
Denver - fired HC
TB Bucs - fired HC and GM
Houston - fired Def. Coordinator and 2 other defensive coaches
KC Chiefs - Fired GM and everyone is still waiting for the axe fall on Edwards

Update: KC Chiefs - Fired GM and HC

[RedKingGold]

Heh, I know that's in jest. Actually though, the Chiefs could not have satisfied the Rooney Rule by interviewing Herm because interviewing the incumbent minority does not satisfy the Rule's obligation:

NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Rooney Rule still in play for Chiefs «

[stevew]

Adam Schaefter from NFLN just said there was zero validity to the Shanahan stuff

[stevew]

And he said that The Chiefs will supposedly make a play for Cowher but will likely have an open search

[Scarecrow]

So far this week, Adam Schaefter has said the following:

1. Todd Haley would be the next Chiefs coach
2. Todd Haley would NOT be the next Chiefs coach
3. Mike Shanahan would be the next Chiefs coach
4. Mike Shanahan would NOT be the next Chiefs coach
5. Bill Cower would be the next Chiefs coach

Wonder if Schaefter is having problems getting information out of the Pioli camp, a la his days at New England (btw, Schaefter also said that Pioli would NOT be the next Chiefs GM).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Interesting about Reeves, since his playcalling had as much to do with his firing in Atlanta as anything. Hell, as I recall that was pretty much the main thing that got him fired.

[kcchief19]

"I speak to Mike regularly, there has been nothing in his tone or in his message that has given me any indication that he will be the coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. I know for a fact they've not had contact to this point. The Chiefs may in fact reach out to him in the coming days and even then I firmly believe it will not change anything," Schefter said.

Based on these statements and what I saw on NFL.com, Schefter has pretty much pushed his career chips all-in on Shanahan not going to Kansas City. If Shanahan does end up with the Chiefs, Schefter's reputation is gone forever. He's attached to the hip with Shanahan -- he was the beat writer for the Broncos forever and he's writing a book with him.

However, the thing that strikes me about his statements is that he gives the impression he hasn't talked to Shanahan about it -- do you really think Shanahan would tell the guy he's writing a book with that the story is garbage but don't quote on me on it? Plus, he then says he thinks the Chiefs will go after Cowher now. Don't you think if the Chiefs were going after Cowher they would have done it BEFORE they fired Herm? Something doesn't smell right.

Two different media outlets are reporting it based on their sources. The NBC affiliate here reported it first, then Chris Mortenson said that Wednesday it appeared there wasn't anything going on but on Thursday sources said it was close to happening. Also of note is that no one with the Chiefs have denied it -- in fact, the Chiefs are stonewalling the media and not commenting. Don't you think somebody by now would talk to Shanahan? He's apparently not talking -- and it sounds like he's not talking to Schefter either.

I don't think Pioli would finally fire Herm if he didn't have his guy lined up. It might not be Shanahan. To me, it seems a possibile improbability but the noise definitely suggests something is going on.

The only other thing that strikes me about Schefter is that you wonder about his objectivity. The interview with the NBC affiliate in Denver sure seemed geared toward calming down Denver fans. Maybe he's more worried about his reputation in Colorado and doesn't want to be considered the PR flack for Shanahan. If Shanahan goes to KC, Broncos fans will turn on him and anyone associated with him.

[Scarecrow]

My guess about the timing of Herm's firing has more to do about the NFL's 'rule' about no transactions during Super Bowl week than it does Pioli has found someone.

[adubroff]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Interesting about Reeves, since his playcalling had as much to do with his firing in Atlanta as anything. Hell, as I recall that was pretty much the main thing that got him fired.

Wasn't he last offensive coordinator on a team that featured Tony Dorsett? I assume Singletary wants to run a conservative system and Reeves might be a good resource to help him as a first time head coach, but I can't see this working.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Interesting about Reeves, since his playcalling had as much to do with his firing in Atlanta as anything. Hell, as I recall that was pretty much the main thing that got him fired.

Jamal Anderson getting hurt didn't help either. I'd take Reeves as the Steelers OC vs our current guy.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Based on these statements and what I saw on NFL.com, Schefter has pretty much pushed his career chips all-in on Shanahan not going to Kansas City. If Shanahan does end up with the Chiefs, Schefter's reputation is gone forever. He's attached to the hip with Shanahan -- he was the beat writer for the Broncos forever and he's writing a book with him.

However, the thing that strikes me about his statements is that he gives the impression he hasn't talked to Shanahan about it -- do you really think Shanahan would tell the guy he's writing a book with that the story is garbage but don't quote on me on it? Plus, he then says he thinks the Chiefs will go after Cowher now. Don't you think if the Chiefs were going after Cowher they would have done it BEFORE they fired Herm? Something doesn't smell right.

Two different media outlets are reporting it based on their sources. The NBC affiliate here reported it first, then Chris Mortenson said that Wednesday it appeared there wasn't anything going on but on Thursday sources said it was close to happening. Also of note is that no one with the Chiefs have denied it -- in fact, the Chiefs are stonewalling the media and not commenting. Don't you think somebody by now would talk to Shanahan? He's apparently not talking -- and it sounds like he's not talking to Schefter either.

I don't think Pioli would finally fire Herm if he didn't have his guy lined up. It might not be Shanahan. To me, it seems a possibile improbability but the noise definitely suggests something is going on.

The only other thing that strikes me about Schefter is that you wonder about his objectivity. The interview with the NBC affiliate in Denver sure seemed geared toward calming down Denver fans. Maybe he's more worried about his reputation in Colorado and doesn't want to be considered the PR flack for Shanahan. If Shanahan goes to KC, Broncos fans will turn on him and anyone associated with him.

Actually its Chris Mortenson who's likely to lose his job over this, being the first (and only?) to "report" that the Chiefs were already talking terms with Shanahan-this just hours after they had fired Edwards and not interviewed any HC candidates let alone the required minority candidate. ESPN ran with it in their ticker only to change it later to "targetting Shanahan, but unlikely to sign him." I think I will trust the word of Schefter here who works for NFL.com and likely has better connections than Mort, and apparantly is a friend of Shanahan as well.

Right now, Chiefs fans seem to think the new coach will either be Todd Haley from the Cards (NO!) or promoting Chan Gailey to HC after the job he did with the offense when my man Tyler Thigpen took over. Seems there is some interest in Cowher, but I don't see Cowher backing down on his word that he was returning to TV next season.