NCAA Football week 2 discussions (will contain spoilers)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

... and expect both some mistakes and soms eye-popping plays.

Decent teams may very well eat this kid alive right now.

I've reached the point that I feel sorry for Spurrier, he just has no talent up there at all.

[JonInMiddleGA]

TD Air Force (again).

31-24 Vols, with 2:41 left.

Ainge has been very very good most of the night (although he threw a pick to keep them from sealing the game at 31-17). 24/29 for 342 & 3 TD's, but AF has nearly 300 yds rushing.

[k0ruptr]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

That was an interesting play. I wonder how much he's worked with the #1 offense. The receiver (MoMass) slowed down tremendously on his route. It looked like he didn't think Stafford could throw it that far. From what I've seen so far, it's time to name the kid #1, and expect both some mistakes and soms eye-popping plays.

As Just a college football fan in general, I agree, let him be #1 for the whole season. expect good and bad, but towards the end of the season we could see some amazing things out of this kid.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Teddy Ginn just smoked that corner

Smoked, torched, toasted. . . you can use a lot of adjectives there.

He torched him earlier in the half as well and Smith missed him.

[TroyF]

That WR was drilled in the Georgia game. Wow. Nice catch. Impressive stuff.

[k0ruptr]

holy crap look at air force go.

[k0ruptr]

meanwhile BOOOOOOOOOOOO texas tech scores to go up on utep 7-0

EDIT - 7-6 (missed PAT how sad)

OMG Airforce Goes for 2 and misses, wow that was gutsy.

[General Mike]

1st and goal from the 1 for air force.

[Noble_Platypus]

Tennessee has given up 300 yards rushing to Air Force and also AF is about to score and tie the game late in the 4th Q

[cartman]

Interesting to see what halftime adjustments the teams make. It's 14-7 OSU, but just as easily could be 17-14 OSU. Both offenses have shown flashes of brilliance, but will either one be able to be more consistent in the 2nd half? Both defenses have played better then I thought they would.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Noble_Platypus

Tennessee has given up 300 yards rushing to Air Force and also AF is about to score and tie the game late in the 4th Q

Meanwhile the team they killed last week, Cal, is giving it to Minnesota.

[Dr. Sak]

Gutsy call in the UT game. AF goes for two and gets denied.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by bsak16

Gutsy call in the UT game. AF goes for two and gets denied.

More like dumb call.

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by cartman

It's 14-7 OSU, but just as easily could be 17-14 OSU.

Your shouldhavebeen scoring system is a lot different than mine .

[JonInMiddleGA]

AF scores the TD, goes for 2 & fails.
Vols recover the onside kick this time, lead 31-30 with 1:35 left & just 1 timeout remaining for the Falcons.

[Celeval]

I'll go with gutsy - at Tennessee, they have to figure they won't survive overtime.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by General Mike

More like dumb call.

In this case, I don't think it was. All the momentum was with AF, UT hadn't really stopped them all night, I think it was the right call (even thought it didn't turn out).

[CenTex]

The UT defense looks as vulnerable as I have seen them in a while. They lost a starting safety early in the game to injury so now they have 2 starting defensive backs out and it shows. However, they have good depth and the best defensive coach in the nation. I think they will make adjustments and be okay in the 2nd half. Also, T. Smith should come down to earth soon - I hope. If Texas can get a turnover or something for some momentum it will really help.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Meanwhile, will someone please get Blake Mitchell a ball with a handle or something.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by CenTex

The UT defense looks as vulnerable as I have seen them in a while. They lost a starting safety early in the game to injury so now they have 2 starting defensive backs out and it shows. However, they have good depth and the best defensive coach in the nation. I think they will make adjustments and be okay in the 2nd half. Also, T. Smith should come down to earth soon - I hope. If Texas can get a turnover or something for some momentum it will really help.

The last time Troy Smith was down to earth was the game in the horseshoe last year. He's been sensational from that point on. If you are counting on him to cool off, I might think about plan B.

Nice sack by Texas. They need a stop here badly.

[Noble_Platypus]

Granted they won, but what does the air force game do to UT in the rankings?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Meanwhile, will someone please get Blake Mitchell a ball with a handle or something.

I don't blame him much for that one. He's not that big, and a QB sneak from outside the one wasn't a good call there. He was trying to stretch it into the end zone, 'cause clearly he wasn't gonna get the rest of his body in.

[Vegas Vic]

Let's see how McCoy responds to adversity, now down by 10 points.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I don't blame him much for that one. He's not that big, and a QB sneak from outside the one wasn't a good call there. He was trying to stretch it into the end zone, 'cause clearly he wasn't gonna get the rest of his body in.

Eh, I'm just frustrated everytime I encounter SC with him at QB. Spurrier having him at QB reminds me of making Dale Earnhardt, Sr. drive a Pinto at Daytona

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Celeval

I'll go with gutsy - at Tennessee, they have to figure they won't survive overtime.

Being an Air Force guy I agree it was gutsy AND dumb. But, hey AF coach Deberry is anything but boring. AF played a great game and not so much the Vols played poorly.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Galaril

AF played a great game and not so much the Vols played poorly.

I'll agree that AF played well, but this isn't the first time that an inability to game plan properly on the defensive side of the ball has been seen in Knoxville in recent years.

Give them 8 months to get ready & you get something like last week. Give them a difficult offense to defend however ... well, you saw the result of that tonight.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Let's see how McCoy responds to adversity, now down by 10 points.

The kid is horrible at protecting himself. You never could get a clean shot on Vince. This kid has a bulls-eye on him. He runs the option well, but he has no real elusiveness, he takes shot after shot.

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by Noble_Platypus

Granted they won, but what does the air force game do to UT in the rankings?

" Troy " FSU " ?

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'll agree that AF played well, but this isn't the first time that an inability to game plan properly on the defensive side of the ball has been seen in Knoxville in recent years.

Give them 8 months to get ready & you get something like last week. Give them a difficult offense to defend however ... well, you saw the result of that tonight.

Agreed.

[sterlingice]

Hey, Jeebs, I don't suppose UTEP would like to push across a score here to give Tech a game, would they

SI

[Noble_Platypus]

Originally Posted by Celeval

" Troy " FSU " ?

Yeah, FSU sucks and will drop too, but that still doesnt have anything to do with how bad UT looked tonight.

[sterlingice]

Woo! TD UTEP!

SI

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Woo! TD UTEP!

SI

How is Jordan Palmer playing?

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Eh, I'm just frustrated everytime I encounter SC with him at QB. Spurrier having him at QB reminds me of making Dale Earnhardt, Sr. drive a Pinto at Daytona

Smelley didn't look horrible last week. He can't be any worse than Blake. Granted, with that O-line I wouldn't want to sacrafice him, but still.

[k0ruptr]

Palmer is having a nice first half (15-23 for 148 and a TD) and UTEP is hanging around, I like them in the 2nd half...

[TroyF]

Texas needs a TD on this drive. That was a terrific play by the DB there.

[Vegas Vic]

Nice shank there by the Texas kicker.

[TroyF]

Texas is in some serious trouble now. They win the game, I'm impressed. You have to think Ohio State is going to try another bomb to Ginn here in a second. Around the 50 yard line, a chance for the kill shot. We'll see if Texas is ready.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

Palmer is having a nice first half (15-23 for 148 and a TD) and UTEP is hanging around, I like them in the 2nd half...

That'd be cool. I'm just having fun watching it on Yahoo. Unfortunately, we're not getting it on tv here or anything.

SI

[TroyF]

How does the ref looking right at the tackle miss that face mask? It takes a flag from midfield for them to figure that one out? Wonder if that's the same dolt who called the personal foul on the hit on the QB.

[Vegas Vic]

Impressive drive by Ohio State. Stick a fork in Texas. They're done. No Vince Young to bail their ass out tonight.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Impressive drive by Ohio State. Stick a fork in Texas. They're done.

Yep, but this loss can't be pinned on the play of Colt McCoy. Other than the INT at the start of the 2nd half, he played a pretty solid game.

[larrymcg421]

In the Georgia-SC game when GA had a 15-0 lead and the Gamecocks were driving, The announcers said that you should kick the EP here and go for the 2 later. I have never understood this philosophy. In any situation where you're going to need a 2-pt. conversion (down by 11, 15, 22, 23, etc.) it seems to make more sense to go for the 2 pt. conversion right away. If you miss it, then you know you need to two more scores to win. If you make it, you don't need to hurry quite as much. However, if you kick the EP and then miss the 2pt. conversion on the next drive, then you might be looking at an onside kick as your best chance.Hhowever, whenever a coach goes for the two first, the announcers talk about it like it's the most vile thing a human being could do in this universe.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by TroyF

How does the ref looking right at the tackle miss that face mask? It takes a flag from midfield for them to figure that one out? Wonder if that's the same dolt who called the personal foul on the hit on the QB.

The referee called the personal foul, the linesman missed the facemask. We get the best views with all the camera angles. Its rough on field level because he could've been blocked out by another players.

The job of a linesman or line judge is this. If the play comes near you, you have the blocking in front until the runner comes into your area. Let the runner pass you and you are responsible for the spot and any block in the back, holding etc, behind the play. In that case the Back judge has the runner for facemask and such but not for the spot.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

In the Georgia-SC game when GA had a 15-0 lead and the Gamecocks were driving, The announcers said that you should kick the EP here and go for the 2 later. I have never understood this philosophy. In any situation where you're going to need a 2-pt. conversion (down by 11, 15, 22, 23, etc.) it seems to make more sense to go for the 2 pt. conversion right away. If you miss it, then you know you need to two more scores to win. If you make it, you don't need to hurry quite as much. However, if you kick the EP and then miss the 2pt. conversion on the next drive, then you might be looking at an onside kick as your best chance.Hhowever, whenever a coach goes for the two first, the announcers talk about it like it's the most vile thing a human being could do in this universe.

I've always felt the same way- I don't get it.

SI

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by cartman

Yep, but this loss can't be pinned on the play of Colt McCoy. Other than the INT at the start of the 2nd half, he played a pretty solid game.

That's a bit generous. He's averaging 4.9 yards per pass attempt. He's going to have to do a lot better than that against teams with good defenses or else it might be a long year for Texas.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Impressive drive by Ohio State. Stick a fork in Texas. They're done.

Yup, that's game, set and match.

Smith had an impressive game again. Ohio State looked as though they could do whatever they wanted, when they wanted it on the Texas D. If Smith hits the bomb to a wide open Ginn in the second quarter, it could have really gotten ugly.

Thing I'm stunned with is the Texas front four. I really thought they'd get more pressure on Smith, but they really didn't get a lot outside of some blitzes they ran. Ohio State didn't try to establish a running game, but when they did run, they ran the ball fairly well.

Ohio State, on the other hand, seemed to put pressure on the QB. (but Texas was able to gash them for some runs. . . they just couldn't do it consistently) No question about who deserved to win this football game. The better team won.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

That's a bit generous. He's averaging 4.9 yards per pass attempt. He's going to have to do a lot better than that against teams with good defenses or else it might be a long year for Texas.

That's due to the play calling, not his play. I think they've only called 5 downfield pass plays the whole game. Everything else has been WR screens or 5 yard crosses. His passing has been pretty accurate, he had maybe three throws tonight that completely missed the mark.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by bsak16

The referee called the personal foul, the linesman missed the facemask. We get the best views with all the camera angles. Its rough on field level because he could've been blocked out by another players.

The job of a linesman or line judge is this. If the play comes near you, you have the blocking in front until the runner comes into your area. Let the runner pass you and you are responsible for the spot and any block in the back, holding etc, behind the play. In that case the Back judge has the runner for facemask and such but not for the spot.

Should have used the smiley. It was a joke. I know who called both plays and I know whose responsibility lies where. That said, the replay clearly shows the line judge with a clear view of the play and a clear view of the hand on the mask as it's being ripped around. He should have seen it.

It wasn't nearly as bad as the roughing the QB call. That's the only thing that allowed Texas to even get in the end zone tonight.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by cartman

That's due to the play calling, not his play. I think they've only called 5 downfield pass plays the whole game. Everything else has been WR screens or 5 yard crosses. His passing has been pretty accurate, he had maybe three throws tonight that completely missed the mark.

Then it's on the coaching staff. You put up 7 points tonight with an incredibly talented offense, straight across the board. If is was the play calling, that's on the staff. I thought he looked pretty good for most of the night, but made some key mistakes. The INT was a horribly thrown ball at the worst possible time.

He had a lot of dump offs, as you said, but he did have some middle of the field throws that I thought were inaccurate. He seems to excel at the sideline routes, and the middle of the field he struggles with. I give him a C+.