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ITs basically hearsay, but why let the facts get in the way of a good witchhunt? |
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12-13-2007, 01:21 PM
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And who the hell is jeff williams?
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12-13-2007, 01:22 PM
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12-13-2007, 01:22 PM
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Also, Jason Grimsley has flowers on his checks.
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12-13-2007, 01:22 PM
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After listening to Mitchell's press conference, I think he's done a good job. Now let's wait for the NFL to do theirs..... [cues laughtrack]
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12-13-2007, 01:23 PM
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Now now, let's not go speaking that. Someone will come out and say your "head is in the sand..." What about the children?! 
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12-13-2007, 01:23 PM
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Exactly. (and that's coming from someone who wants all the real cheaters exposed) |
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12-13-2007, 01:25 PM
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Mike Lansing?!
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12-13-2007, 01:25 PM
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Mitchell Friedman?!?!
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12-13-2007, 01:25 PM
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The scanned checks and shipping statements are hearsay? |
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12-13-2007, 01:27 PM
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A quick look through the report and I see that Miguel Tejada is the only smart one. His checks went to Adam Piatt, who sent checks to Radomski.
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12-13-2007, 01:27 PM
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I've ignored most of this shit. Bad light in the cave for reading.
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12-13-2007, 01:28 PM
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Hell I'm still shocked that Hal Morris on there.
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12-13-2007, 01:29 PM
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Man, the Radomski stuff, with the cancelled checks in the report are pretty damning.
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12-13-2007, 01:29 PM
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Here's an interesting note that I'm sure we'll hear more about, re: Lo Duca:
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12-13-2007, 01:30 PM
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F.P. Santangelo. Heh.
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12-13-2007, 01:30 PM
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12-13-2007, 01:30 PM
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12-13-2007, 01:32 PM
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About that asterisk........
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12-13-2007, 01:33 PM
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Yes. The National Football League. A steroids investigation. Or will we just call that "The Pro Bowl."
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12-13-2007, 01:33 PM
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No Varitek (or Nomar for that matter) in the report.
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12-13-2007, 01:34 PM
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No way Mia Hamm marries Nomar if he was on 'roids. Besides, he's hurt way too much.
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12-13-2007, 01:34 PM
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Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, Tim Laker, Randy Velarde, Josias Manzanillo, Todd Hundley, Mark Carreon, Matt Franco, ROn Villone
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12-13-2007, 01:34 PM
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Having finally surfed through the report to the section where the names start popping up, I think the thing that jumped out at me was the number of backup catchers, lefty relievers, and utility infielders that were on the list.
Kent Mercker? Mike Stanton? Tim Laker? WTF? (Yeah, I know, it's marginal guys trying to hang on for the last roster spot, but those aren't the sort of players that normally come to mind when steroids are discussed) edit to add: The other thing that popped out at me was that it sure seemed like a shitload of former Expos were on the list.
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12-13-2007, 01:35 PM
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Damn you Kent Merker. You have forever tainted my World Series '95 seasons on my Sega Genesis
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12-13-2007, 01:36 PM
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But it should. They're the ones with the least to lose. |
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12-13-2007, 01:38 PM
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Interesting since the wording implies that the Dodgers front office, at best, knew; and at worst, encouraged it as part of some sort of regimen. Last edited by Klinglerware : 12-13-2007 at 01:39 PM. |
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12-13-2007, 01:39 PM
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If baseball had 1/4 of the brains of the NFL, they wouldn't be in this position. The NFL started suspending players for steroids and other drugs in 1987. You read that right. 1987. As in 20 years ago. Two freakin decades. Yes, we all know NFL players find ways around the tests. But there is widely known penalty for violating the policy and getting caught and they've suspended stars, scrubs and everything in between during that time. The NFL isn't perfect. In fact, it may be a joke. But they understood the PR of the situation and they have random tests. Bash football if you want, but baseball should have been smarter. |
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12-13-2007, 01:40 PM
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I heart the Red SOx
In considering whether to trade for Donnelly in 2007, Red Sox baseball operations personnel internally discussed concerns that Donnelly was using performance enhancing substances. In an email to vice president of player personnel Ben Charington dated December 13, 2006, Zack Scott of the Red Sox baseball operations staff wrote of Donnelly: “He was a juice guy but his velocity hasn’t changed a lot over the years . . . If he was a juice guy, he could be a breakdown candidate.” 427 Kyle Evans of the baseball operations staff agreed with these concerns, responding in an email that “I haven’t heard many good things about him, w[ith] significant steroid rumors.” 428 |
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12-13-2007, 01:42 PM
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Was there really any team in baseball that didn't have a front office that both knew with reasonable certainty that specific players were using and encouraged it at least tacitly?
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12-13-2007, 01:44 PM
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Not that it's the most mind-blowing thing in the world, but Matt Williams being suspected is a bummer.
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12-13-2007, 01:44 PM
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Scanning through, haven't seen any new information on Bonds.
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12-13-2007, 01:46 PM
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Not at all...and looking through the report, there seem to be many discussions between teams on it...I'm just surprised they wrote this stuff down on paper. |
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12-13-2007, 01:47 PM
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All non-Balco names from the report, according to Deadspin
Lenny Dykstra David Segui Larry Bigbie Brian Roberts Jack Cust Tim Laker Josias Manzanillo Todd Hundley Mark Carreon Hal Morris Matt Franco Rondell White Roger Clemens Andy Pettitte Chuck Knoblauch Jason Grimsley Gregg Zaun David Justice F.P. Santangelo Glenallen Hill Mo Vaughn Denny Neagle Ron Villone Ryan Franklin Chris Donnels Todd Williams Phil Hiatt Todd Pratt Kevin Young Mike Lansing Cody McKay Kent Mercker Adam Piatt Miguel Tejada Jason Christiansen Mike Stanton Stephen Randolph Jerry Hairston Paul Lo Duca Adam Riggs Bart Miadich Fernando Vina Kevin Brown Eric Gagne Mike Bell Matt Herges Gary Bennett, Jr. Jim Parque Brendan Donnelly Chad Allen Jeff Williams Howie Clark Nook Logan Rick Ankiel Paul Byrd Jay Gibbons Troy Glaus Jose Guillen Jerry Hairston, Jr. Gary Matthews, Jr. Scott Schoeneweis David Bell Jose Canseco Jason Grimsley Darren Holmes John Rocker Ismael Valdez Matt Williams Steve Woodard |
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12-13-2007, 01:47 PM
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Sure there is. Those legendary battles between him and Roger Clemmens were steroid user against steriod user. EDIT: My bad, alleged user against alleged user.
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12-13-2007, 01:49 PM
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Haven't looked through it with a comb, but I think he'll get some shit for having probably his two biggest "new" names in Clemens and Pettite not have any checks or packing slips.
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12-13-2007, 01:49 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with you. In fact, it is in the organization's interest to encourage steroid use, especially for marginal players. If it works out, it's great for the organization. If it doesn't, any physical "tools" development will pump up that player's trade value. If the player gets caught, the player gets punished, not the organization. As for the Dodgers, leaving a paper trail is just dumb. As an aside, I always mocked my English teachers' insistence on using active voice, but I guess they are having the last laugh--it would have been less incriminating if the note taker didn't write the key sentence in passive voice... |
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I wonder now why he never won any batting titles??? Oh yeah, because he SUCKED. 
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12-13-2007, 01:56 PM
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The player's union tipped off at least one player on a test....
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12-13-2007, 01:57 PM
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Rondell White
Hadn't suspected him after seeing him the last two years on the Twins, where there seem to have been no benefits for roids over the last two seasons. |
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12-13-2007, 01:59 PM
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Very disappointed in Paul Lo Duca if all of what I'm reading about him is true. Sounds like the Dodgers knew he was probably juicing, which disappoints me as well, but we don't get the whole story from the 7 lines of text.
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12-13-2007, 01:59 PM
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Fortunately these websites have never heard of putting things in alphabetical order. It might actually make it easy to look through... |
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12-13-2007, 02:03 PM
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Somehow Steve Philips has managed to make himself seem like even more of a tool today.
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Is this a big surprise?
"In his book, Sheffield attributed the increase in home runs in Major League Baseball after the 1994 strike to widespread steroid use, and he claimed that at the time he asked the Commissioner to investigate the issue, only to be ignored. Selig denied that he ever received such a request from Sheffield." Crooks and liars. All of them. Bud Selig is the ringleader.
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Steven A. Smith on his show is saying that he never heard Roger Clemens mentioned in regards to steroids before today. Talk about living in a cave. This guy has his own tv/radio show?? Really? I need to send off my pilot episode to ESPN ASAP.
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12-13-2007, 02:11 PM
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I'm in no way defending Selig, but I'm calling BS here. Sheffield was a user himself and is known to speak out of his ass. He tried calling Bonds out on the BALCO thing when he was later tied directly to it himself. |
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So, if I read this correctly, Bond isn't implicated by this report?! /tk
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12-13-2007, 02:17 PM
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That was a list of non-BALCO names, I believe.
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12-13-2007, 02:18 PM
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No. These are non-Balco names. Bonds is all over the report.
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