2012 FOFC Alternate Rules Football; Draft Complete, Set Your Lineups - Page 3

rafini · 08-22-2012, 01:52 PM

I hate drafting first. Went with a second QB a little earlier than I had hoped but it's such a long time until my next pick I didn't want to end up with somebody like Flacco or Freeman in my lineup.

Danny · 08-22-2012, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You got a PM for this pick, according to my Sent Messages box.

Yeah I got two actually! I meant pm the guy after me for me

Chief Rum · 08-22-2012, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Yeah I got two actually! I meant pm the guy after me for me

Ah ha! Well, that's me. You should be okay, since I am not going anywhere.

Danny · 08-22-2012, 02:01 PM

Not to be mean but mannIng is horrible value pick. Am I the only one who uses vbd?

sterlingice · 08-22-2012, 02:03 PM

God- I hate all of the RB there right now as they seem like huge questions marks or reaches. There are the three "R" QBs which will not make it back to me but they all are a little bit of a reach. And then there's a couple of quality WRs out there I really like but we only start 3 or 4 and there are inconsistencies at that position which make values so much better later in the draft after locking in good production from other positions earlier on.

SI

Scoobz0202 · 08-22-2012, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Not to be mean but mannIng is horrible value pick. Am I the only one who uses vbd?

I do. But then I went and selected Julio Jones so that may tell you something about my value picking.

Although, it was a toss up between him and McFadden. I had typed McFadden in but spur of the moment deleted it and said fuck it, Julio Jones it is.

sterlingice · 08-22-2012, 02:17 PM

Makes me a little queasy to make this reach, but

3.2 QB Matt Ryan, ATL

I'd rather be picking at the middle of this round where I could get one of him, Romo, Rivers, or Vick (maybe Manning) but then it feels like a pretty steep drop off.

SI

TRO · 08-22-2012, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Not to be mean but mannIng is horrible value pick. Am I the only one who uses vbd?

Unsure. If you are meaning value based drafting techniques period - no. If there is a specific tool - yes.

With the way our league is set up, each position gets pretty thin. Though I think TE is deeper than normal since we now only require 1 starter there.

I do think Manning was a reach at 20, but he likely would not have been available at 40.

sterlingice · 08-22-2012, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Not to be mean but mannIng is horrible value pick. Am I the only one who uses vbd?

What projections are you using for VBD and do you account for the scarcity difference between this and other leagues (the 20th QB being the baseline not the 10th, and all)?

SI

Danny · 08-22-2012, 02:19 PM

Yes I use a customizable app from footballguys.

sterlingice · 08-22-2012, 02:20 PM

Yahoo and thread updated thru 3.2

SI

rafini · 08-22-2012, 02:22 PM

Eli was the 6th highest scoring QB in the league last year and scored over 100 points more than the QBs in the 14-15 range. There were also 25 WRs that all scored within 100 points of each other, meaning WR is deep as hell while top-end QBs are the most consistent high-point scorers in the league.

Julio Riddols · 08-22-2012, 02:32 PM

I think QB Ryan might finally pay off. Seems like a great pick to me.

sterlingice · 08-22-2012, 02:34 PM

This draft seems so odd. Ideally, you'd have picked one of the top QBs (Rodgers/Brees/Brady/Stafford/Newton?) and one RB near the top (Foster/Rice/McCoy/Johnson/Forte/McFadden) but no one has that and they were fairly evenly distributed in the 1st and 2nd rounds thru 2.7. Only one team has 2 of them and it's 2 RBs (Chief). Everyone else threw a dart at a TE or WR in the hope to make big points there.

So here's where I found myself:

Eli Manning could be in that group or he may not be in that group but I think he's more the top of the next group which includes Vick (injury concerns), Ryan (never been top 5), Rivers (stupid INTs), Romo (kindof stupid in general), PManning (huge injury ?).

On the RB side, there's MJD (holding out still with Jennings there), Matthews (hurt), Richardson (hurt), Lynch (completely inconsistent and likely suspended), Murray (has he even started half a season yet), Peterson (recovering), Charles (recovering), Turner (old), Jackson (injury prone)... I'd rather take some more fliers later on.

At WR, there are 3 really big names I think out there: Andre Johnson (injury) and Jordy Nelson (one season) fighting with Greg Jennings (concussoin) for catches in GB where they probably have enough for each to go around if not for the question marks. And I picked Roddy White as he's been Mr. Consistent even on the wrong side of 30. It was between him and Johnson for pick #1.

SI

Butter · 08-22-2012, 02:36 PM

3.3 QB Tony Romo, DAL

Chief Rum · 08-22-2012, 02:38 PM

In a league where we start two QBs, I think it is foolish to go past the third round without at least one QB.

Butter · 08-22-2012, 02:38 PM

You nailed it, SI. Every RB I went to take, it was like... do I really want this guy?

Romo, even with his injury racked up the points last year. If he can stay upright, yes I definitely want him.

Chief Rum · 08-22-2012, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

You nailed it, SI. Every RB I went to take, it was like... do I really want this guy?

Romo, even with his injury racked up the points last year. If he can stay upright, yes I definitely want him.

In the end, this is why I went with Johnson over a second tier QB or the last of the remaining top tier WRs. I just didn't see the dropoff at QB or WR that I saw with RBs.

At the point I was drafting, I felt there were two clear cut elite RBs left, in CJ and MJD. Everyone after, including McFadden, has serious question marks. MJD being in a holdout made my choice easy, once I decided to go RB.

sterlingice · 08-22-2012, 02:47 PM

There is going to be some quibbling around the edges, to be sure. I was looking at some McFadden reviews just as that pick came in and had decided on Fitz when the pick before me came in (d'oh) but I'd feel comfortable with McFadden this year. Yes, injury history, but he looks ok now and has the potential to be an actual 3 down back. That said, he wasn't on the board when it got to me so I didn't look much further

SI

Butter · 08-22-2012, 02:51 PM

I did PM Danny.

Chief Rum · 08-22-2012, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice

There is going to be some quibbling around the edges, to be sure. I was looking at some McFadden reviews just as that pick came in and had decided on Fitz when the pick before me came in (d'oh) but I'd feel comfortable with McFadden this year. Yes, injury history, but he looks ok now and has the potential to be an actual 3 down back. That said, he wasn't on the board when it got to me so I didn't look much further

SI

I actually like McFadden a lot--I had him on one of my fantasy teams the past two years, and when he wasn't hurt, he was very effective, especially at the start of last year. But he has been hurt too much too often to not heavily consider that in his value. I will be stunned if he plays in more than 13 games this year, and presume it will be closer to 10. I think the Raiders were incredibly dumb to let Michael Bush get away.

All that said, I do like McFadden and wish Danny good luck with him.

sterlingice · 08-22-2012, 02:54 PM

BTW, considering this is my league and I have never won it- any fantasy advice I give should be taken with a boulder of salt

SI

Scoobz0202 · 08-22-2012, 03:26 PM

Yea, the one thing that I, and I'm sure many, run into is trying to find that balance of value vs. positional runs vs. team needs. I tend to try and stay away from the runs, but then sometimes I wait too long.

When Vick was injured last year my team went to shit. And here I sit in round 3 not wanting to take a QB yet.

Chief Rum · 08-22-2012, 03:29 PM

Shoot, wish Danny had left a list.

Danny · 08-22-2012, 03:55 PM

3.4 RB Demarco Murray DAL

I did read correctly that we can start 3 RB this year right?

Chief Rum · 08-22-2012, 03:58 PM

3.5 Peyton Manning, QB DEN

TRO · 08-22-2012, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

3.4 RB Demarco Murray DAL

I did read correctly that we can start 3 RB this year right?

RB
RB
RB/WR/TE

Chief Rum · 08-22-2012, 04:11 PM

I PM'd Scoobz, BTW.

Scoobz0202 · 08-22-2012, 04:31 PM

Let me do some research. Stay tuned Subby

Scoobz0202 · 08-22-2012, 04:35 PM

3.6 Philip Rivers QB SD

Julio Riddols · 08-22-2012, 04:35 PM

I love how this is a life draft.

Subby · 08-22-2012, 04:35 PM

here and picking momentarily...

Scoobz0202 · 08-22-2012, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

I love how this is a life draft.

Yea, I almost prefer this to "live" drafts.

Julio Riddols · 08-22-2012, 04:36 PM

We're picking to save ourselves!

Subby · 08-22-2012, 04:38 PM

3.7 Andre Johnson, WR, HOU

Julio Riddols · 08-22-2012, 04:44 PM

3.8 Darren fuckin Sproles, RB, NOS

This pick was a toss up between like 20 guys for me.

TRO · 08-22-2012, 04:47 PM

Bah! I was hoping that Sproles would slip. I think that is a great pick.

Subby · 08-22-2012, 04:48 PM

Pretty sure he ruptured his ballsack today.

TRO · 08-22-2012, 04:57 PM

3.9 RB Jamaal Charles, KC

Slight homer pick, but if he returns to form and doesn't have all of his TDs vultured, could be a steal.

Scoobz0202 · 08-22-2012, 05:07 PM

If i didnt want to grab a QB I was going to take the risk with Charles. Pre-injury he was going to be a premier back. We'll see..

Masked · 08-22-2012, 05:12 PM

3.10 QB Matt Schaub, Hou
4.1 QB Jay Cutler, Chi

Danny · 08-22-2012, 05:13 PM

Great value with Charles and a Johnson.

TRO · 08-22-2012, 05:29 PM

4.2 RB Steven Jackson, STL

Julio Riddols · 08-22-2012, 05:43 PM

Nice pick with Jackson. Damn.

Julio Riddols · 08-22-2012, 05:53 PM

4.3 Ben "I hate you but I guess I need you" Roethlisberger, QB, PIT

Danny · 08-22-2012, 06:51 PM

Charle and Jackson were fantastic bac to back picks

Subby · 08-22-2012, 06:54 PM

4.4 Adrian Peterson, RB, MIN

Subby · 08-22-2012, 06:55 PM

Not like us to evenly draft. I usually have 3 QB by now.

Scoobz0202 · 08-22-2012, 07:19 PM

4.5 Ahmad Bradshaw RB NYG

Scoobz0202 · 08-22-2012, 07:20 PM

CR, delete some messages mang!

08-22-2012, 02:03 PM	#105
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	God- I hate all of the RB there right now as they seem like huge questions marks or reaches. There are the three "R" QBs which will not make it back to me but they all are a little bit of a reach. And then there's a couple of quality WRs out there I really like but we only start 3 or 4 and there are inconsistencies at that position which make values so much better later in the draft after locking in good production from other positions earlier on. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-22-2012, 02:17 PM	#107
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Makes me a little queasy to make this reach, but 3.2 QB Matt Ryan, ATL I'd rather be picking at the middle of this round where I could get one of him, Romo, Rivers, or Vick (maybe Manning) but then it feels like a pretty steep drop off. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-22-2012, 02:20 PM	#111
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Yahoo and thread updated thru 3.2 SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-22-2012, 02:32 PM	#113
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I think QB Ryan might finally pay off. Seems like a great pick to me. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

08-22-2012, 02:34 PM	#114
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	This draft seems so odd. Ideally, you'd have picked one of the top QBs (Rodgers/Brees/Brady/Stafford/Newton?) and one RB near the top (Foster/Rice/McCoy/Johnson/Forte/McFadden) but no one has that and they were fairly evenly distributed in the 1st and 2nd rounds thru 2.7. Only one team has 2 of them and it's 2 RBs (Chief). Everyone else threw a dart at a TE or WR in the hope to make big points there. So here's where I found myself: Eli Manning could be in that group or he may not be in that group but I think he's more the top of the next group which includes Vick (injury concerns), Ryan (never been top 5), Rivers (stupid INTs), Romo (kindof stupid in general), PManning (huge injury ?). On the RB side, there's MJD (holding out still with Jennings there), Matthews (hurt), Richardson (hurt), Lynch (completely inconsistent and likely suspended), Murray (has he even started half a season yet), Peterson (recovering), Charles (recovering), Turner (old), Jackson (injury prone)... I'd rather take some more fliers later on. At WR, there are 3 really big names I think out there: Andre Johnson (injury) and Jordy Nelson (one season) fighting with Greg Jennings (concussoin) for catches in GB where they probably have enough for each to go around if not for the question marks. And I picked Roddy White as he's been Mr. Consistent even on the wrong side of 30. It was between him and Johnson for pick #1. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 08-22-2012 at 02:35 PM.

08-22-2012, 01:52 PM	#101
rafini High School JV Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Virginia Beach	I hate drafting first. Went with a second QB a little earlier than I had hoped but it's such a long time until my next pick I didn't want to end up with somebody like Flacco or Freeman in my lineup.

08-22-2012, 02:01 PM	#104
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Not to be mean but mannIng is horrible value pick. Am I the only one who uses vbd?

08-22-2012, 02:19 PM	#110
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Yes I use a customizable app from footballguys.

08-22-2012, 02:22 PM	#112
rafini High School JV Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Virginia Beach	Eli was the 6th highest scoring QB in the league last year and scored over 100 points more than the QBs in the 14-15 range. There were also 25 WRs that all scored within 100 points of each other, meaning WR is deep as hell while top-end QBs are the most consistent high-point scorers in the league.

08-22-2012, 02:36 PM	#115
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	3.3 QB Tony Romo, DAL __________________ My listening habits

08-22-2012, 02:38 PM	#116
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	In a league where we start two QBs, I think it is foolish to go past the third round without at least one QB. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready. Last edited by Chief Rum : 08-22-2012 at 02:39 PM.

08-22-2012, 02:38 PM	#117
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	You nailed it, SI. Every RB I went to take, it was like... do I really want this guy? Romo, even with his injury racked up the points last year. If he can stay upright, yes I definitely want him. __________________ My listening habits

08-22-2012, 02:47 PM	#119
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	There is going to be some quibbling around the edges, to be sure. I was looking at some McFadden reviews just as that pick came in and had decided on Fitz when the pick before me came in (d'oh) but I'd feel comfortable with McFadden this year. Yes, injury history, but he looks ok now and has the potential to be an actual 3 down back. That said, he wasn't on the board when it got to me so I didn't look much further SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 08-22-2012 at 02:48 PM.

08-22-2012, 02:51 PM	#120
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I did PM Danny. __________________ My listening habits

08-22-2012, 02:54 PM	#122
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	BTW, considering this is my league and I have never won it- any fantasy advice I give should be taken with a boulder of salt SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

08-22-2012, 03:26 PM	#123
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Yea, the one thing that I, and I'm sure many, run into is trying to find that balance of value vs. positional runs vs. team needs. I tend to try and stay away from the runs, but then sometimes I wait too long. When Vick was injured last year my team went to shit. And here I sit in round 3 not wanting to take a QB yet.

08-22-2012, 03:29 PM	#124
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Shoot, wish Danny had left a list. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-22-2012, 03:55 PM	#125
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	3.4 RB Demarco Murray DAL I did read correctly that we can start 3 RB this year right?

08-22-2012, 03:58 PM	#126
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	3.5 Peyton Manning, QB DEN __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-22-2012, 04:11 PM	#128
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I PM'd Scoobz, BTW. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-22-2012, 04:31 PM	#129
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Let me do some research. Stay tuned Subby

08-22-2012, 04:35 PM	#130
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	3.6 Philip Rivers QB SD

08-22-2012, 04:35 PM	#131
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I love how this is a life draft. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

08-22-2012, 04:35 PM	#132
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	here and picking momentarily... __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

08-22-2012, 04:36 PM	#134
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	We're picking to save ourselves! __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

08-22-2012, 04:38 PM	#135
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	3.7 Andre Johnson, WR, HOU __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

08-22-2012, 04:44 PM	#136
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	3.8 Darren fuckin Sproles, RB, NOS This pick was a toss up between like 20 guys for me. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA Last edited by Julio Riddols : 08-22-2012 at 04:44 PM.

08-22-2012, 04:47 PM	#137
TRO College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisburg, KS	Bah! I was hoping that Sproles would slip. I think that is a great pick. __________________ TRA, the Royal Ape

08-22-2012, 04:48 PM	#138
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	Pretty sure he ruptured his ballsack today. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

08-22-2012, 04:57 PM	#139
TRO College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisburg, KS	3.9 RB Jamaal Charles, KC Slight homer pick, but if he returns to form and doesn't have all of his TDs vultured, could be a steal. __________________ TRA, the Royal Ape

08-22-2012, 05:07 PM	#140
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	If i didnt want to grab a QB I was going to take the risk with Charles. Pre-injury he was going to be a premier back. We'll see..

08-22-2012, 05:12 PM	#141
Masked College Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bay Area	3.10 QB Matt Schaub, Hou 4.1 QB Jay Cutler, Chi

08-22-2012, 05:13 PM	#142
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Great value with Charles and a Johnson.

08-22-2012, 05:29 PM	#143
TRO College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisburg, KS	4.2 RB Steven Jackson, STL __________________ TRA, the Royal Ape

08-22-2012, 05:43 PM	#144
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Nice pick with Jackson. Damn. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA