Cheating.....GMac-ing going on! - Page 3

WSUCougar · 10-25-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Clown2

ANYONE WANT 2 HONEST CLOWNS IN THEIR LEAGUE?

No, thanks, we've got 30+ of 'em in the IHOF already.

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 12:30 PM

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I think it is ridiculous how the media has hyped this issue up to epic proportions. It's now become this week's shark attacks. I don't think that a 5% chance of someone cheating 50 million FOF players in multiplayer is really that big of a deal

CHECK THIS IP SOUNDS LIKE RAIDER---

Buzzbee · 10-25-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

No, thanks, we've got 30+ of 'em in the IHOF already.

My! What big shoes you have Mr. Coug!!

mrsimperless · 10-25-2005, 12:47 PM

I only got through a page and a half of this mess. The writing quality/tone made me feel like I was reading a thread on some madden fan-boy board. Yikes!

Buzzbee · 10-25-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Clown2

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I think it is ridiculous how the media has hyped this issue up to epic proportions. It's now become this week's shark attacks. I don't think that a 5% chance of someone cheating 50 million FOF players in multiplayer is really that big of a deal

CHECK THIS IP SOUNDS LIKE RAIDER---

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsimperless

I only got through a page and a half of this mess. The writing quality/tone made me feel like I was reading a thread on some madden fan-boy board. Yikes!

Hmmm...maybe he should have read a little further?

Kozure · 10-25-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

then the commish should tell him "fuck you, take a walk."

lmao, I'm not dissagreeing with you, but why aren't you like this over in the USFL?

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

da da da da da da da

Wow, it seems quite a few people are versed on the subject matter here. No, you can't just cut a rookie and re-sign the guy in the same stage. Sure, you can from your side of the game (as a GM), but the only thing that will happen when the commish imports is the release.

And if you try and re-sign this guy (without cheating) in a later stage, you'll get the past injustices box.

THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID ......AGAIN...AND AGAIN!

NoMyths · 10-25-2005, 01:09 PM

Um, except for it doesn't.

We get the point, clown.

WSUCougar · 10-25-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzbee

My! What big shoes you have Mr. Coug!!

Is that a giant squirt gun, Mr. Buzz, or are you happy to see me?

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMyths

Um, except for it doesn't.

We get the point, clown.

NO, I don't think you do....people are siding with Raider.....
So, I guess the point is....cheating....is GOOD.....

Buzzbee · 10-25-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Is that a giant squirt gun, Mr. Buzz, or are you happy to see me?

Now, now. Only my wife gets to honk my horn.

John Galt · 10-25-2005, 01:21 PM

"You think you're better than me? You're going to die clown!"

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 01:24 PM

Ok hands off the clown!

Pumpy Tudors · 10-25-2005, 01:24 PM

hay guys whats going on up in this thread

JeeberD · 10-25-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Clown2

NO, I don't think you do....people are siding with Raider.....

Who the heck is siding with him? I don't think I've seen a single person here say that it was OK to do what he did...

rkmsuf · 10-25-2005, 01:29 PM

Nobody likes an angry clown.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-25-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Who the heck is siding with him? I don't think I've seen a single person here say that it was OK to do what he did...

Given that much of this drama is coming from some other board somewhere, I wouldn't be surprised if he meant that people THERE are siding with this raider character.

How did FOFC get involved with this anyway?

JasonC23 · 10-25-2005, 01:30 PM

JASONC@# SAYS THE CLOWN"S GOTTA POINT< LET"S ALL GO KICK RAIDER!"S ASS!!!!

(Note: Clown, you're correct, the guy cheated and should be removed from the league. I just enjoy how you've been expressing it. Consider this post a homage of sorts.)

rkmsuf · 10-25-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Given that much of this drama is coming from some other board somewhere, I wouldn't be surprised if he meant that people THERE are siding with this raider character.

How did FOFC get involved with this anyway?

board spillage

Kozure · 10-25-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Clown2

NO, I don't think you do....people are siding with Raider.....
So, I guess the point is....cheating....is GOOD.....

I dont really see anyone siding with Raider1. Even the FOF's different commish's (which includes me) believe this is a bad thing. I even posted on my league's forums that similar actions will lead to lifetime ban and immediate notification of GM's actions to the FOF community.

Don't worry. Nobody likes cheaters on here.

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 01:40 PM

As I said on the board, I don't think it's really a big deal. He'll release the players, we'll craft a rule preventing this from happening again, and we'll all get on with our lives. Maybe he should be suspended or removed from the rules committee, but personally I don't think that's necessary.

1.what about last years cap money.
2. what about him doing this right after gmac....he should of fessed up then
theres more
What else has he done.?

will he keep trying to find a advantage against the system
when you try to get an advantage against another team....
what will keep you from doing it again!

I've jeperdized myself by bringing this up
NEXT TIME I CATCH A CHEATER
IM SAYING NOTHING AND HE CAN KEEP SCREWING EVERYONE!

John Galt · 10-25-2005, 01:40 PM

I've never understood the fear of clowns before . . .

NoMyths · 10-25-2005, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Clown2

NO, I don't think you do....people are siding with Raider.....
So, I guess the point is....cheating....is GOOD.....

No, the point is that over here -- where we've answered your question and had a good bit of discussion on why cheating is bad -- has pretty much wrapped up any useful discussion. And while I already know that we're going to see another fifty posts from you in this thread restating the obvious again and again, it's not going to contribute to anything other than a lot of wasted bandwidth.

In other words: that line between "welcome to the community, your problem sucks, let us help out, alright bye" and "you're becoming a noisy, bothersome tween" is well at hand.

/grumpy nomyths
//my powers sense a disturbance in the force

WSUCougar · 10-25-2005, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Galt

I've never understood the fear of clowns before . . .

Nobody's that happy forever. There's always a dark side, brother. And when it emerges, all the face paint and big noses in the world can't hide it.

VPI97 · 10-25-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMyths

In other words: that line between "welcome to the community, your problem sucks, let us help out, alright bye" and "you're becoming a noisy, bothersome tween" is well at hand.

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 02:06 PM

I will say this in parting.....I feel I will not be considered a hero in my league.
I will be asked why I went to another board...I will be the one who gets in trouble NOT Raider. Raider will go on cheating. Sorry to bother you guys. Thanks for the info...

RedKingGold · 10-25-2005, 02:23 PM

Is this where the tragic hero dies?

Or can we pop the tatteling Bozo now???

Pumpy Tudors · 10-25-2005, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clown2

I will say this in parting.....I feel I will not be considered a hero in my league.
I will be asked why I went to another board...I will be the one who gets in trouble NOT Raider. Raider will go on cheating. Sorry to bother you guys. Thanks for the info...

What exactly is "getting in trouble" anyway? I would think the worst is that you get kicked out of the league. It would be unwarranted, but I don't know what else you could mean. I mean, you're not going to go to jail over this shit, are you?

Are you?

JeeberD · 10-25-2005, 02:25 PM

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Anyone who has been playing this game for any amount of time will know that I did not cheat because they understand how the game works.

Godzilla Blitz · 10-25-2005, 02:27 PM

Interesting. Just spent a few minutes reading the discussion over at Primetime's league forums...

Initial discussion
Secondary discussion

Some thoughts:

Having a cheater in a league is definitely a black mark on the league, especially when it involves a co-commissioner. However, handling it well would serve as a message that the commishioner has his act together and that the league is run well. Currently, the commissioner is:

1. Defending the locking of threads
2. Upset that the discussion became public knowledge
3. Pissed that he has to deal with the issue.

A better commissioner response:

1. Open up discussion. Let people talk.
2. Accept responsibility for handling the issue. Being a commissioner means taking charge in these situations.
3. Kick Raider1 out of the league.
4. Strip Raider1's team of its championship title and give it to the Super Bowl runner up.

Raider1 himself is trying to say that he did nothing wrong, yet is offering to cut the players in question. Despite being an incredible contradiction, cutting the players in question is a ridiculously low punishment for what he did. The only way for Primetime to come out of this well is to remove Raider1 from the league. Any other response would be a message that cheating is tolerated.

Subby · 10-25-2005, 02:29 PM

this thread would be a billion times cooler if all these posts were from ctown.

Flasch186 · 10-25-2005, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kozure

lmao, I'm not dissagreeing with you, but why aren't you like this over in the USFL?

BUSTED!!! no j/k....I think I havnt caught anyone blatantly cheating that was a rule at the time. The one time we busted someone using the minsal bug I believe the next day a checker came out. NOW the only thing that has reared up is the dreadful Hartford experiment, which I dont think was cheating...just stupid.

EDIT: to add and Remember Im the ass who had to deal with the Pseudo-nazi.

Ive earned my stripes from that alone.

sachmo71 · 10-25-2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

this thread would be a billion times cooler if all these posts were from ctown.

whatever happened to him? does he hand out at one of the other L33T boards?

Poli · 10-25-2005, 02:34 PM

This thread rules.

cuervo72 · 10-25-2005, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Galt

I've never understood the fear of clowns before . . .

Pretty sure my little brother was scarred by Killer Klowns From Outer Space....

Pumpy Tudors · 10-25-2005, 02:37 PM

I think ctown is still waiting for the right time to call.

Raiders Army · 10-25-2005, 02:40 PM

Clown2, are you seriously 38 years old?

JeeberD · 10-25-2005, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla Blitz

Interesting. Just spent a few minutes reading the discussion over at Primetime's league forums...

Initial discussion
Secondary discussion

Some thoughts:

Having a cheater in a league is definitely a black mark on the league, especially when it involves a co-commissioner. However, handling it well would serve as a message that the commishioner has his act together and that the league is run well. Currently, the commissioner is:

1. Defending the locking of threads
2. Upset that the discussion became public knowledge
3. Pissed that he has to deal with the issue.

A better commissioner response:

1. Open up discussion. Let people talk.
2. Accept responsibility for handling the issue. Being a commissioner means taking charge in these situations.
3. Kick Raider1 out of the league.
4. Strip Raider1's team of its championship title and give it to the Super Bowl runner up.

He's just pissed that I beat his ass in the CFL this morning...

WrongWay · 10-25-2005, 07:43 PM

Wow, I didn't understand that this was a cheat to work around the games rules about singing a player that you cut. Yes, I said cheat, after reading this thread I have removed it form my dirty play and put it in the same category as Gmac-ing. It is a cheat and the owner or owners need to be tossed NOW!

Funny I am always amazed when one of these owners gets busted for cheating they never apoligize, but instead try to justify their actions blaming anyoner or anything they can.

EDIT: After reaing the entire thread I now understand that this is a cheat to work around the Game rules. The Game rules say you can't sign a player you cut in the same year. I don't understand how someone could say this was not a cheat now.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-25-2005, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by QuikSand:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clown2
raider1 wrote:
Look, there is really no reason to argue over this. Apparently what I have done has upset some people so I will stop doing it. I hope that you will understand that I was not trying to cheat or gain anything from this. (THEN WHY DO IT? - ed.) To be honest it really bothers me that you would not want me to stay in the league. I helped Justin form this league earlier this year and have devoted countless hours to it. I was in another league at the same time as this one and actually left over an issue in which my principals (sic) were being questioned. (GOOD ARGUMENT - I CHEATED SOMEWHERE ELSE, DON'T KICK ME OUT OF THIS LEAGUE TOO!) My goal was to help just start a league that was fun, where everyone could just be themselves (sic) (I AM A CHEATER AND AM JUST BEING MYSELF) and enjoy the game. As I said, I will cut the players in an effort to make things right. (I THINK THIS IS ENOUGH PUNISHMENT, DON'T YOU NOW?)

This is funny on many levels. My emphases and commentary added.

Gold.

Poli · 10-25-2005, 07:49 PM

Very nice, very nice, indeed.

WrongWay · 10-25-2005, 07:54 PM

BTW--- Could someone post a league where this cheat is going on.

I remember the DFL, Dynasty Football League, saying they were going to allow Gmac to continue playing in their league. I want to know what league is going to allow this to continue to play.

I just want to know what leagues to avoid like the plague. On a plus note, if I see any cheaters I will send them your way. Hey, I have heard about a Champion's League maybe this owner and Gmac could start a Cheater's league for all the banned owners out there?

Poli · 10-25-2005, 07:56 PM

I sure hope I can start cheating in the GEFL. That would definitely help me.

SnowMan · 10-25-2005, 08:17 PM

A Cheater's League would be SWEET! GMs can do whatever they want, however they can figure out to do it. No rules. Two GMs want to collude and tank one team to make another a powerhouse? No problem!!

*removes tongue from cheek*

WSUCougar · 10-25-2005, 08:23 PM

We all cheat like convicts in the IHOF. One guy has had, like, four 1st rounders in every draft we've had. Like people would actually trade that many to the defending champs? C'mon.

jeff061 · 10-25-2005, 08:23 PM

It does seem odd the commish over there goes on the offensive a bit against Clown and on the defensive with the offender. Then threatens to quit while telling everyone to quit whining over locked posts. I'd consider that even more damaging than what Raider did if I was in that league.

Whatever, we can all feel better about our own leagues now

.

WrongWay · 10-25-2005, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061

It does seem odd the commish over there goes on the offensive a bit against Clown and on the defensive with the offender. Then threatens to quit while telling everyone to quit whining over locked posts. I'd consider that even more damaging than what Raider did if I was in that league.

LOL, this may be a first; where people are kicked out of a league for NOT cheating.

Worst league in FOF history? You have a commish locking threads and threatening to ban owners from the league who want to play by the rules.

Shard77 · 10-25-2005, 09:35 PM

Guys,

I would just like to go on record as saying I am a member of the PFL. Our Commish is a solid citizen who cares about his league and his GM's. What happened in this case was wrong and unfortunate. It should have been dealt with in-house rather than on this public stage.

Poli · 10-25-2005, 09:39 PM

Note to self: Stay in leagues ran by VPI97.

JeeberD · 10-25-2005, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Note to self: Stay in leagues ran by VPI97.

And leagues run by a five man Comish Council headed by Thul, right? RIGHT?!?!?

10-25-2005, 12:30 PM	#102
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	mrsimperless Division I Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 706 Send a message via Yahoo to mrsimperless I think it is ridiculous how the media has hyped this issue up to epic proportions. It's now become this week's shark attacks. I don't think that a 5% chance of someone cheating 50 million FOF players in multiplayer is really that big of a deal CHECK THIS IP SOUNDS LIKE RAIDER--- Last edited by Clown2 : 10-25-2005 at 12:31 PM.

10-25-2005, 12:47 PM	#104
mrsimperless College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2003	I only got through a page and a half of this mess. The writing quality/tone made me feel like I was reading a thread on some madden fan-boy board. Yikes! __________________ "All I know is that smart women are hot. Susan Polgar beat me in 24 moves in a simultaneous exhbition. I slept with the scoresheet under my pillow." Off some dude's web site.

10-25-2005, 01:21 PM	#112
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	"You think you're better than me? You're going to die clown!" __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

10-25-2005, 01:24 PM	#113
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	You can't kill the CLOWN Ok hands off the clown!

10-25-2005, 01:24 PM	#114
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	hay guys whats going on up in this thread __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

10-25-2005, 01:09 PM	#108
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	Um, except for it doesn't. We get the point, clown.

10-25-2005, 01:29 PM	#116
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Nobody likes an angry clown. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

10-25-2005, 01:30 PM	#118
JasonC23 High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Huntley, IL, USA	JASONC@# SAYS THE CLOWN"S GOTTA POINT< LET"S ALL GO KICK RAIDER!"S ASS!!!! (Note: Clown, you're correct, the guy cheated and should be removed from the league. I just enjoy how you've been expressing it. Consider this post a homage of sorts.) __________________ "I'm A god. I'm not THE God...I don't think." Bill Murray, Groundhog Day

10-25-2005, 01:40 PM	#121
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	As I said on the board, I don't think it's really a big deal. He'll release the players, we'll craft a rule preventing this from happening again, and we'll all get on with our lives. Maybe he should be suspended or removed from the rules committee, but personally I don't think that's necessary. 1.what about last years cap money. 2. what about him doing this right after gmac....he should of fessed up then theres more What else has he done.? will he keep trying to find a advantage against the system when you try to get an advantage against another team.... what will keep you from doing it again! I've jeperdized myself by bringing this up NEXT TIME I CATCH A CHEATER IM SAYING NOTHING AND HE CAN KEEP SCREWING EVERYONE!

10-25-2005, 01:40 PM	#122
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	I've never understood the fear of clowns before . . . __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

10-25-2005, 02:06 PM	#126
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	I will say this in parting.....I feel I will not be considered a hero in my league. I will be asked why I went to another board...I will be the one who gets in trouble NOT Raider. Raider will go on cheating. Sorry to bother you guys. Thanks for the info...

10-25-2005, 02:23 PM	#127
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Is this where the tragic hero dies? Or can we pop the tatteling Bozo now???

10-25-2005, 02:27 PM	#130
Godzilla Blitz College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Interesting. Just spent a few minutes reading the discussion over at Primetime's league forums... Initial discussion Secondary discussion Some thoughts: Having a cheater in a league is definitely a black mark on the league, especially when it involves a co-commissioner. However, handling it well would serve as a message that the commishioner has his act together and that the league is run well. Currently, the commissioner is: 1. Defending the locking of threads 2. Upset that the discussion became public knowledge 3. Pissed that he has to deal with the issue. A better commissioner response: 1. Open up discussion. Let people talk. 2. Accept responsibility for handling the issue. Being a commissioner means taking charge in these situations. 3. Kick Raider1 out of the league. 4. Strip Raider1's team of its championship title and give it to the Super Bowl runner up. Raider1 himself is trying to say that he did nothing wrong, yet is offering to cut the players in question. Despite being an incredible contradiction, cutting the players in question is a ridiculously low punishment for what he did. The only way for Primetime to come out of this well is to remove Raider1 from the league. Any other response would be a message that cheating is tolerated. Last edited by Godzilla Blitz : 10-25-2005 at 02:28 PM.

10-25-2005, 02:29 PM	#131
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	this thread would be a billion times cooler if all these posts were from ctown. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

10-25-2005, 02:34 PM	#134
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	This thread rules. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

10-25-2005, 02:37 PM	#136
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I think ctown is still waiting for the right time to call. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

10-25-2005, 02:40 PM	#137
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Clown2, are you seriously 38 years old?

10-25-2005, 07:43 PM	#139
WrongWay Banned Join Date: Jan 2005	Wow, I didn't understand that this was a cheat to work around the games rules about singing a player that you cut. Yes, I said cheat, after reading this thread I have removed it form my dirty play and put it in the same category as Gmac-ing. It is a cheat and the owner or owners need to be tossed NOW! Funny I am always amazed when one of these owners gets busted for cheating they never apoligize, but instead try to justify their actions blaming anyoner or anything they can. EDIT: After reaing the entire thread I now understand that this is a cheat to work around the Game rules. The Game rules say you can't sign a player you cut in the same year. I don't understand how someone could say this was not a cheat now. Last edited by WrongWay : 10-25-2005 at 07:48 PM.

10-25-2005, 07:49 PM	#141
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Very nice, very nice, indeed. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

10-25-2005, 07:54 PM	#142
WrongWay Banned Join Date: Jan 2005	BTW--- Could someone post a league where this cheat is going on. I remember the DFL, Dynasty Football League, saying they were going to allow Gmac to continue playing in their league. I want to know what league is going to allow this to continue to play. I just want to know what leagues to avoid like the plague. On a plus note, if I see any cheaters I will send them your way. Hey, I have heard about a Champion's League maybe this owner and Gmac could start a Cheater's league for all the banned owners out there? Last edited by WrongWay : 10-25-2005 at 08:06 PM.

10-25-2005, 07:56 PM	#143
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I sure hope I can start cheating in the GEFL. That would definitely help me. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

10-25-2005, 08:17 PM	#144
SnowMan High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Georgia via Alaska via Washington	A Cheater's League would be SWEET! GMs can do whatever they want, however they can figure out to do it. No rules. Two GMs want to collude and tank one team to make another a powerhouse? No problem!! removes tongue from cheek

10-25-2005, 08:23 PM	#145
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	We all cheat like convicts in the IHOF. One guy has had, like, four 1st rounders in every draft we've had. Like people would actually trade that many to the defending champs? C'mon. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

10-25-2005, 08:23 PM	#146
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	It does seem odd the commish over there goes on the offensive a bit against Clown and on the defensive with the offender. Then threatens to quit while telling everyone to quit whining over locked posts. I'd consider that even more damaging than what Raider did if I was in that league. Whatever, we can all feel better about our own leagues now . __________________

10-25-2005, 09:35 PM	#148
Shard77 Mascot Join Date: Apr 2005	Member of the PFL Guys, I would just like to go on record as saying I am a member of the PFL. Our Commish is a solid citizen who cares about his league and his GM's. What happened in this case was wrong and unfortunate. It should have been dealt with in-house rather than on this public stage.

10-25-2005, 09:39 PM	#149
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Note to self: Stay in leagues ran by VPI97. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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