PING: Hell Atlantic - Page 3

JeeberD · 05-23-2005, 11:37 PM

This is far from a rebellion, CS. Hell, there was a bigger uprising when Rufus was banned!

Bonegavel · 05-24-2005, 08:04 AM

I don't see this as anything but silly.

HA "cowboy up."

OTHER "FUCK YOU"

HA says HA-stuff.

Somebody is offended and reports thread. How many others reported the thread?

HA suspended after being told to "Fuck Off" and responding in the way he always does.

Of course there was no "If you are offended by HA, put him on ignore" or why not just delete his post and make it "Edited by SkyDog" like you've done on many other occasions? If HA continues to post the same shit after you've edited his post then suspsend him.

Simply stating that his is a pattern and go from there when others have said horrible things and are lauded for it as brilliant. Go figure.

Suicane75 · 05-24-2005, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

If HA continues to post the same shit after you've edited his post then suspsend him.

Do you not understand that he's been reprimanded over and over again?

Bonegavel · 05-24-2005, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Do you not understand that he's been reprimanded over and over again?

And he is allowed back in time and time again because...

HomerJSimpson · 05-24-2005, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

And he is allowed back in time and time again because...

...Skydog doesn't like to ban anyone. He gave everyone he has put on the banned list plenty of chances to hang themselves, and even allowed a few to come back as alts, and they have been good citizens since. I think HA is on thin ice, but he hasn't come close to the behaviour of those permantly sent into that final twilight.

Bonegavel · 05-24-2005, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerJSimpson

...Skydog doesn't like to ban anyone. He gave everyone he has put on the banned list plenty of chances to hang themselves, and even allowed a few to come back as alts, and they have been good citizens since. I think HA is on thin ice, but he hasn't come close to the behaviour of those permantly sent into that final twilight.

Hey, I'm sorry that you have some issues that you tried to air-out here, but I really wish you would just put people like HA on ignore and let the rest of us make up our own minds about content.

On thin ice? Folks, this is an INTERNET FORUM. I live in a great neighborhood but I don't let my 5 year old out of my sight for a second. That is real life. Weirdos out there are doing horrible things to children just turn on the news and you'll see some story about some poor child that will make you cry for a week. That is tragic. Somebody responding to a "fuck off" comment that wasn't warranted on a relatively anonymous forum on the internet is hardly what I'd call "thin ice." Perspective people.

Suicane75 · 05-24-2005, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

Hey, I'm sorry that you have some issues that you tried to air-out here, but I really wish you would just put people like HA on ignore and let the rest of us make up our own minds about content.

On thin ice? Folks, this is an INTERNET FORUM. I live in a great neighborhood but I don't let my 5 year old out of my sight for a second. That is real life. Weirdos out there are doing horrible things to children just turn on the news and you'll see some story about some poor child that will make you cry for a week. That is tragic. Somebody responding to a "fuck off" comment that wasn't warranted on a relatively anonymous forum on the internet is hardly what I'd call "thin ice." Perspective people.

Thats specious reasoning. By that logic I could say that you're bitching on an internet forum while so many people are dyeing of cancer. One thing has dick to do with another.

Are you not getting it? He was warned many times to stop his bullshit, he didn't stop, now he's on sabatical.

WSUCougar · 05-24-2005, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

Folks, this is an INTERNET FORUM...Perspective people.

So why are you making such a federal case out of this? Let it drop.

Bonegavel · 05-24-2005, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

So why are you making such a federal case out of this? Let it drop.

Done.

****edit****

oh, and the reason I made a federal case out of it is because I feel the decision is wrong and in many cases it seems that it only matters who you are and not what you say.

WSUCougar · 05-24-2005, 10:35 AM

It's not the only thing, but it certainly does matter who you are. If out of nowhere Quiksand told somebody to stick their head up their ass and fart, we'd all scratch our heads and think that such behavior was uncharacteristic.

It sounds like you want the ban or penalty box line set at the lowest common denominator. I doubt that's where most people on this board would like it.

JasonC23 · 05-24-2005, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

If out of nowhere Quiksand told somebody to stick their head up their ass and fart

Please, please, please...

kcchief19 · 05-24-2005, 10:47 AM

The weakest part of the argument about HA's suspension is that it was because it was him. That makes it appear that if someone else had said what he said it would have been OK. If it was OK for someone else to say it, then why not for him? You're holding him to a higher standard because you don't like him. That's not a persuasive argument.

I think Bonegavel's point makes a good case for a brief suspension, not a banning. HA crossed the line and he'll do his time in the box. As I said earlier, I think he was partly provoked, but he chose a bad place and time to stand up for himself. If you don't like what he has to say, use the ignore feature.

HA can be a jerk at times, but I don't think he's anymore of a troll than most of us from time to time. He's not mrskippy or Happy29.

WSUCougar · 05-24-2005, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchief19

HA can be a jerk at times, but I don't think he's anymore of a troll than most of us from time to time.

With all due respect, I think this is where you are in the minority. Much of what HA posts is at least questionable in my mind, if not worthy of boxing or banning, because it targets individuals. It's one thing to spout off in a general sense, but it's another to be intentionally hurtful to other members of the board.

JeeberD · 05-24-2005, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

I think Bonegavel's point makes a good case for a brief suspension, not a banning.

It is a suspension, not a banning...

Suicane75 · 05-24-2005, 11:25 AM

I think it is way over the line that Skydog hit HA with a car to punish him.

stevew · 05-24-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

With all due respect, I think this is where you are in the minority. Much of what HA posts is at least questionable in my mind, if not worthy of boxing or banning, because it targets individuals. It's one thing to spout off in a general sense, but it's another to be intentionally hurtful to other members of the board.

Yes, especially after they tell him to "Fuck off" and direct rude comments towards him. "Cowboy up" isnt even derogatory.

TargetPractice6 · 05-24-2005, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew

Yes, especially after they tell him to "Fuck off" and direct rude comments towards him. "Cowboy up" isnt even derogatory.

So does the "Fuck you" excuse his other comments that were directed at HJS?

"nevermind, forget i even posted here, i could care less if you're depressed and can't bear to stand the worthlessness your life has become."

"get hit by a car"

Both were directed at HJS who did nothing to deserve such trolling.

gstelmack · 05-24-2005, 11:50 AM

About the only reason I frequent this forum (aside from the occasional nugget of FOF info that comes through) is because SkyDog keeps a nice lid on things, allowing lots of leeway while still maintaining some boundaries. I for one am very happy with the job he's doing.

I've only ever had to put 3 people on my Ignore list. One's been banned, one's been suspended, and one was thanks to his sig which has since been changed and so I've taken that person off. Without SkyDog, the list would be a lot higher, or I wouldn't be here.

Franklinnoble · 05-24-2005, 11:53 AM

I live for this shit.

Oh, and I found some interesting stuff when googling naked chicks hit by cars.

Carry on.

Desnudo · 05-24-2005, 12:18 PM

This thread is the wind beneath my wings

kcchief19 · 05-24-2005, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TargetPractice6

So does the "Fuck you" excuse his other comments that were directed at HJS?

"nevermind, forget i even posted here, i could care less if you're depressed and can't bear to stand the worthlessness your life has become."

"get hit by a car"

Both were directed at HJS who did nothing to deserve such trolling.

Don't get me wrong -- I think HA stepped over the line and he was going to get what was coming to him. But this is actually supports my belief that people are bashing him for who he is and not what he actually did.

HA never sayd "fuck you" to anybody in that thread. Karim said that to HA after the "cowboy up" post. That to me seemed like a personal, unprovoked attack against HA. It was to that HA replied "I wish your mother was pro-choice." A pretty harsh rebuke, but probably in the same genre as "fuck you" as a retort.

HA's "get hit by a car" comment was in response to this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by [b

HomerJSimpson[/b]]Probably the only friend I have that I can be the most "real" with is not someone who would be helpfull (he is more like HA).

Maybe it's just me, but I thought that was pretty harsh. "Get hit by a car" is probably hyperbole -- I don't believe HA actually want anyone to get hit by a car, I think he just said that because it's more his style than saying "Your momma."

HA annoys me plenty, but there are people who annoy me a lot more -- if I had admin powers, every poster of a parody thread would be banned without warning, since the ignore feature doesn't work on those. As I said earlier, I don't disagree with Ben's course of action, although I think it could have been handled better.

I'm moving on because I don't care that much and I don't think prolonging the discussion is fair to HomerJ, HA or SkyDog. This only crosses my radar because as "trolls" go, I'd rather have a HA than some others around here -- at least he's occassionally interesting instead of someone who does nothing but look for fights, copy quotes from other threads, beats the same joke into the ground a 1,000 times or posts porn links.

Franklinnoble · 05-24-2005, 12:24 PM

What he said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchief19

HA annoys me plenty, but there are people who annoy me a lot more -- if I had admin powers, every poster of a parody thread would be banned without warning, since the ignore feature doesn't work on those. As I said earlier, I don't disagree with Ben's course of action, although I think it could have been handled better.

I'm moving on because I don't care that much and I don't think prolonging the discussion is fair to HomerJ, HA or SkyDog. This only crosses my radar because as "trolls" go, I'd rather have a HA than some others around here -- at least he's occassionally interesting instead of someone who does nothing but look for fights, copy quotes from other threads, beats the same joke into the ground a 1,000 times or posts porn links.

What he meant:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchief19

HA annoys me plenty, but not as much as Franklinnoble..

Raiders Army · 05-24-2005, 12:24 PM

Never thought I'd say it, but some great points, kcchief19. IMHO, "I wish your mother was pro-choice" is much more original and interesting than "Fuck you".

sovereignstar · 05-24-2005, 12:35 PM

Will the next RWBL member please stand up.. please stand up

Kodos · 05-24-2005, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmel

Shorty, I told you in the other thread that SkyDog just likes to flex his muscles sometimes.

There was no need to annouce he was going to investigate the ip of jimmy and there was no need to ping HA when a PM would do just as fine (which he says always should be done when there is a problem.)

Don't waste your time Shorty.

I would hate to see a board that Marmel moderated, since no banning or suspension ever seems justified in his mind. Instead, SkyDog is always just being a dictator. Why can't the jerks be jerks without fear of consequences? Here's how I think about moderation on this board, and in a larger sense, about our criminal justice system:

Let's worry a little bit more about the victim's rights, and a little less about the offender's rights.

The preceding announcement was brought to you by citizens to re-elect Kodos... Making the Internet Better One Post at a Time.

Neuqua · 05-24-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Will the next RWBL member please stand up.. please stand up

: clears throat :

I agree with HA's suspension. Thanks.

: sits back down :

Tigercat · 05-24-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

The preceding announcement was brought to you by citizens to re-elect Kodos... Making the Internet Better One Post at a Time.

Sorry, I am voting for Kang. The ray gun to zap trolls off the message board is too good to pass up.

Marmel · 05-24-2005, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

I would hate to see a board that Marmel moderated, since no banning or suspension ever seems justified in his mind. Instead, SkyDog is always just being a dictator. Why can't the jerks be jerks without fear of consequences? Here's how I think about moderation on this board, and in a larger sense, about our criminal justice system:

Let's worry a little bit more about the victim's rights, and a little less about the offender's rights.

The preceding announcement was brought to you by citizens to re-elect Kodos... Making the Internet Better One Post at a Time.

Brilliant observation. However, if you go back and actually read my post this time, you will notice I did not argue against the suspension for HA. I simply noted how Skydog enjoys grandstanding.

Edit to add: I believe the previous suspension was Franklin, and I never said a word. I think you only call me out because yes I have called out SkyDog a few times for the way he usually recklessly moderates a very good message board, in my opinion.

Kodos · 05-24-2005, 02:04 PM

But any time anyone is suspended or banned, you cry about SkyDog the dictator. Perhaps a little grandstanding of your own?

Marmel · 05-24-2005, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

But any time anyone is suspended or banned, you cry about SkyDog the dictator. Perhaps a little grandstanding of your own?

See my edit, and also I only remember complaining about a few suspensions/bannings. Probably 10% of the total that have gone on here.

Kodos · 05-24-2005, 02:20 PM

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...searchid=67138

Search on "SkyDog" using Marmel by post.

Bee · 05-24-2005, 02:31 PM

SD,

Cowboy up?

Marmel · 05-24-2005, 02:32 PM

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...searchid=67140

So I have 12 more posts than you in 4 years about Skydog.

Anyway, I was just responding to you using my name specifically and saying I was protesting the banning, and I wanted to clarify that I neither protested nor supported it in my post.
I was suspended for discussing mod. decisions in the forum and was told specifically that all mod decisions should be discussed through PM. The rule obviously does not apply to Skydog and I wanted to make note of that.

edited to add: I am bowing out here too. I didn't post to get into a back and forth defending my position...unless you want to make a poll out of this.

QuikSand · 05-24-2005, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

If out of nowhere Quiksand told somebody to stick their head up their ass and fart, we'd all scratch our heads and think that such behavior was uncharacteristic.

Coug, you have a PM.

Kodos · 05-24-2005, 02:38 PM

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...searchid=67144

You'll notice I don't criticize his moderating at every turn. Although I apparently called him a sticky dictator at some point.

Buzzbee · 05-24-2005, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marmel

edited to add: I am bowing out here too. I didn't post to get into a back and forth defending my position...unless you want to make a poll out of this.

PLEASE!!!! No polls about Marmel's positions!! Ewwwwwww.

Blackadar · 05-24-2005, 03:04 PM

Ya'll shut up or I'm crackin' skulls.

Bonegavel · 05-24-2005, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Ya'll shut up or I'm crackin' skulls.

Dear skydog,

Blackie threatened us in the Ping:Hell Atlantic thread without the use of non-threatening emoticons.

I fear for my skull as it is in no need of a crack.

Help me Obi-dog-skyobi, you're my only hope.

st.cronin · 05-24-2005, 05:33 PM

All this thread needs is somebody dumping a beer on Ron Artest.

korme · 05-24-2005, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marmel

Brilliant observation. However, if you go back and actually read my post this time, you will notice I did not argue against the suspension for HA. I simply noted how Skydog enjoys grandstanding.

Edit to add: I believe the previous suspension was Franklin, and I never said a word. I think you only call me out because yes I have called out SkyDog a few times for the way he usually recklessly moderates a very good message board, in my opinion.

Marmel, you should learn that if you object to anything at all, certain members will remember this and hold you against it for life.

Kodos · 05-24-2005, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Marmel, you should learn that if you object to anything at all, certain members will remember this and hold you against it for life.

Especially if you harp and whine about it at every opportunity.

Bee · 05-24-2005, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

Especially if you harp and whine about it at every opportunity.

nicely played.

Dr. Sak · 05-24-2005, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

I would hate to see a board that Marmel moderated, since no banning or suspension ever seems justified in his mind. Instead, SkyDog is always just being a dictator. Why can't the jerks be jerks without fear of consequences? Here's how I think about moderation on this board, and in a larger sense, about our criminal justice system:

You should make your way over to the JBL board. Marmel does a pretty good job there. There has been some nasty shit said about one another on the JBL board but we all realize one point...it is a message board, don't take it to heart. There are asses out there and in the real world and (not the message board world) you are going to have people say this stuff to your face. So what are you going to do run to mommy and say "please ban him because so-and-so said something mean and hurt my feelings". Give me a break.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neuqua

: clears throat :

I agree with HA's suspension. Thanks.

: sits back down :

Shut up you bandwagoning pussy. You are just pissed because HA gives you a hard time about your RWBL Cubs.

Dr. Sak · 05-24-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Um.. how many guys are in the JBL at any given time?

Schmidty and his rants have to count for 20 by himself.

sovereignstar · 05-24-2005, 07:21 PM

Um.. how many guys are in the JBL at any given time?

Kodos · 05-24-2005, 07:21 PM

I have to live with jerks in real life. If I can avoid them on the internet, I say go ahead and ban 'em.

Mom doesn't visit the internet much, so she can't protect me there.

Marmel · 05-24-2005, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Um.. how many guys are in the JBL at any given time?

Sak and Swagg's ALTs count for about 20 as well.

korme · 05-24-2005, 09:34 PM

The ghost of Alan T has been seen swooping around the JBL forums, so you just don't know anymore.

HomerJSimpson · 05-24-2005, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

Hey, I'm sorry that you have some issues that you tried to air-out here, but I really wish you would just put people like HA on ignore and let the rest of us make up our own minds about content.

On thin ice? Folks, this is an INTERNET FORUM. I live in a great neighborhood but I don't let my 5 year old out of my sight for a second. That is real life. Weirdos out there are doing horrible things to children just turn on the news and you'll see some story about some poor child that will make you cry for a week. That is tragic. Somebody responding to a "fuck off" comment that wasn't warranted on a relatively anonymous forum on the internet is hardly what I'd call "thin ice." Perspective people.

1) I didn't ask for him to be suspended.

2) I actually suggested people ignore him.

3) I will gladly let you make up your mind on what to read. I never suggested otherwise. You asked why Skydog didn't "ban" him and I answered. That is all I did.

illinifan999 · 05-24-2005, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

Done.
in many cases it seems that it only matters who you are and not what you say.

Yep, ain't life a bitch?

05-23-2005, 11:37 PM	#101
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	This is far from a rebellion, CS. Hell, there was a bigger uprising when Rufus was banned! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

05-24-2005, 10:35 AM	#110
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	It's not the only thing, but it certainly does matter who you are. If out of nowhere Quiksand told somebody to stick their head up their ass and fart, we'd all scratch our heads and think that such behavior was uncharacteristic. It sounds like you want the ban or penalty box line set at the lowest common denominator. I doubt that's where most people on this board would like it. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

05-24-2005, 11:50 AM	#118
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	About the only reason I frequent this forum (aside from the occasional nugget of FOF info that comes through) is because SkyDog keeps a nice lid on things, allowing lots of leeway while still maintaining some boundaries. I for one am very happy with the job he's doing. I've only ever had to put 3 people on my Ignore list. One's been banned, one's been suspended, and one was thanks to his sig which has since been changed and so I've taken that person off. Without SkyDog, the list would be a lot higher, or I wouldn't be here. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

05-24-2005, 02:32 PM	#133
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...searchid=67140 So I have 12 more posts than you in 4 years about Skydog. Anyway, I was just responding to you using my name specifically and saying I was protesting the banning, and I wanted to clarify that I neither protested nor supported it in my post. I was suspended for discussing mod. decisions in the forum and was told specifically that all mod decisions should be discussed through PM. The rule obviously does not apply to Skydog and I wanted to make note of that. edited to add: I am bowing out here too. I didn't post to get into a back and forth defending my position...unless you want to make a poll out of this. __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions." Last edited by Marmel : 05-24-2005 at 02:34 PM.

05-24-2005, 08:04 AM	#102
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	I don't see this as anything but silly. HA "cowboy up." OTHER "FUCK YOU" HA says HA-stuff. Somebody is offended and reports thread. How many others reported the thread? HA suspended after being told to "Fuck Off" and responding in the way he always does. Of course there was no "If you are offended by HA, put him on ignore" or why not just delete his post and make it "Edited by SkyDog" like you've done on many other occasions? If HA continues to post the same shit after you've edited his post then suspsend him. Simply stating that his is a pattern and go from there when others have said horrible things and are lauded for it as brilliant. Go figure.

05-24-2005, 10:47 AM	#112
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	The weakest part of the argument about HA's suspension is that it was because it was him. That makes it appear that if someone else had said what he said it would have been OK. If it was OK for someone else to say it, then why not for him? You're holding him to a higher standard because you don't like him. That's not a persuasive argument. I think Bonegavel's point makes a good case for a brief suspension, not a banning. HA crossed the line and he'll do his time in the box. As I said earlier, I think he was partly provoked, but he chose a bad place and time to stand up for himself. If you don't like what he has to say, use the ignore feature. HA can be a jerk at times, but I don't think he's anymore of a troll than most of us from time to time. He's not mrskippy or Happy29.

05-24-2005, 11:25 AM	#115
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	I think it is way over the line that Skydog hit HA with a car to punish him.

05-24-2005, 11:53 AM	#119
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	I live for this shit. Oh, and I found some interesting stuff when googling naked chicks hit by cars. Carry on.

05-24-2005, 12:18 PM	#120
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	This thread is the wind beneath my wings

05-24-2005, 12:24 PM	#123
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Never thought I'd say it, but some great points, kcchief19. IMHO, "I wish your mother was pro-choice" is much more original and interesting than "Fuck you".

05-24-2005, 12:35 PM	#124
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Will the next RWBL member please stand up.. please stand up

05-24-2005, 02:04 PM	#129
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	But any time anyone is suspended or banned, you cry about SkyDog the dictator. Perhaps a little grandstanding of your own?

05-24-2005, 02:20 PM	#131
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...searchid=67138 Search on "SkyDog" using Marmel by post.

05-24-2005, 02:31 PM	#132
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	SD, Cowboy up?

05-24-2005, 02:38 PM	#135
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...searchid=67144 You'll notice I don't criticize his moderating at every turn. Although I apparently called him a sticky dictator at some point.

05-24-2005, 03:04 PM	#137
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Ya'll shut up or I'm crackin' skulls.

05-24-2005, 05:33 PM	#139
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	All this thread needs is somebody dumping a beer on Ron Artest.

05-24-2005, 07:21 PM	#145
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Um.. how many guys are in the JBL at any given time?

05-24-2005, 07:21 PM	#146
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I have to live with jerks in real life. If I can avoid them on the internet, I say go ahead and ban 'em. Mom doesn't visit the internet much, so she can't protect me there.

05-24-2005, 09:34 PM	#148
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	The ghost of Alan T has been seen swooping around the JBL forums, so you just don't know anymore.

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