OT: FOFC Historical Date/Event Draft - Draft Thread - Page 3

Mustang · 10-09-2007, 03:07 PM

PRIZE NOTE: I have too many freakin boardgames downstairs so...

Whomever 'wins', I'll send them a free copy of Chronology

(If for some reason I can't find the copy, I'll send something else. If in the event my America-centric dates win, I'll send it to the #2 place.

)

path12 · 10-09-2007, 03:10 PM

Natural Disaster: August 24, 79 -- Mt Vesuvius erupts, destroying Pompeii.

lordscarlet · 10-09-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Natural Disaster: August 24, 79 -- Mt Vesuvius erupts, destroying Pompeii.

Now that is a steal.

Coffee Warlord · 10-09-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Now that is a steal.

In the 2nd round? I dunno about that.

lordscarlet · 10-09-2007, 03:28 PM

dola: I don't think September 11, 2001 is the sixth most significant date in United States history, much less world history.

lordscarlet · 10-09-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

In the 2nd round? I dunno about that.

Certainly more so than September 11 was. I think if you poll people on the biggest disasters in history, that is one of the top choices. I also think that "disaster" is a fairly shallow category, although not the most shallow. People seem to underestimate the value of category depth, and are even far more American centric that I thought they would be.

Barkeep49 · 10-09-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

dola: I don't think September 11, 2001 is the sixth most significant date in United States history, much less world history.

I think the problem comes in the Date/Event qualification. If we're drafting Dates I think September 11th is top 3 material (along with Pearl Harbor and July 4th). If we're talking events, then I agree with you.

Barkeep49 · 10-09-2007, 03:39 PM

I struggle with the "Natural" part of Natural Disaster, quite frankly.

Coffee Warlord · 10-09-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Certainly more so than September 11 was. I think if you poll people on the biggest disasters in history, that is one of the top choices. I also think that "disaster" is a fairly shallow category, although not the most shallow. People seem to underestimate the value of category depth, and are even far more American centric that I thought they would be.

You misunderstand me, and as a slight tangent, you're a little trigger happy on the hole 'it's american-centric' shot, IMO.

What I was more referring to is the fact that, in my mind, there were several better dates to pick (not in the disaster category, but overall) that would be better this early in the draft.

path12 · 10-09-2007, 03:44 PM

Having to have separate months for each pick, as well as blacked out days makes it necessary to not always grab what one might think is the 'top' pick at a given time.

lordscarlet · 10-09-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think the problem comes in the Date/Event qualification. If we're drafting Dates I think September 11th is top 3 material (along with Pearl Harbor and July 4th). If we're talking events, then I agree with you.

They're both in the title.

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

You misunderstand me, and as a slight tangent, you're a little trigger happy on the hole 'it's american-centric' shot, IMO.

What I was more referring to is the fact that, in my mind, there were several better dates to pick (not in the disaster category, but overall) that would be better this early in the draft.

I am a bit trigger happy with it, but of the first 12 picks, 11 are America-centric (counting the WWII events as America-centric), so I'm not too off-base here. But IMO it was a great pick because it's a shallow category. There are only a handful of natural disasters that have an agreed upon date that are as memorable over the test of time as Pompeii. Particularly when Katrina, a footnote at best over the past 100 years (and possibly not in the top 5 over the past decade), was picked before it.

My view on these drafts is that you don't go for the "best value" picks. You go for the top picks in the shallow categories.

Maple Leafs · 10-09-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Having to have separate months for each pick...

Holy crap, I completely missed this part (even though it's right there in the rules).

Buccaneer · 10-09-2007, 04:06 PM

Which led to my earlier question. Will the date prevail over the event or will event regardless of date prevail in the voter's minds? Let's take Vesuvius. Great event, totally irrelevant date. I do, however, think by having to go with different months is a fascinating twist.

ntndeacon · 10-09-2007, 04:08 PM

I bet events will be strong in the voters mind.

Maple Leafs · 10-09-2007, 04:15 PM

This is so nitpicky I'm almost embarassed to post it, but... does the Feb. 28 event eliminate March 1, or just Feb. 29?

Neon_Chaos · 10-09-2007, 04:16 PM

Who's on the clock?

Maple Leafs · 10-09-2007, 04:17 PM

I think Radii is.

path12 · 10-09-2007, 04:17 PM

I believe it would be Radii.

lordscarlet · 10-09-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

This is so nitpicky I'm almost embarassed to post it, but... does the Feb. 28 event eliminate March 1, or just Feb. 29?

Wow. That is a good question.

lordscarlet · 10-09-2007, 04:22 PM

Uh.. Someone correct me if my math is wrong, but I think this is going to get very hard. If every selection eliminates three days, then there will only be 5 (6 if you count feb. 29) days that are left eligible at the end of the draft. This may prove to be near impossible to get selections in the later rounds.

10 * 12 * 3 = 360

lordscarlet · 10-09-2007, 04:24 PM

dola: I guess that's a bit of a simplification.. some of the 3 day ranges could overlap..

e.g.: I select March 2, it wips out March 1, 2,3. Someone chooses March 4, it wipes out March 3,4,5.. but that's still 5 days for every two picks..

Buccaneer · 10-09-2007, 04:24 PM

ML, that is an excellent question.

Mustang · 10-09-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

This is so nitpicky I'm almost embarassed to post it, but... does the Feb. 28 event eliminate March 1, or just Feb. 29?

Feb 29th. Still is a valid date albeit only every 4 years.

Maple Leafs · 10-09-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Uh.. Someone correct me if my math is wrong, but I think this is going to get very hard. If every selection eliminates three days, then there will only be 5 (6 if you count feb. 29) days that are left eligible at the end of the draft. This may prove to be near impossible to get selections in the later rounds.

10 * 12 * 3 = 360

Pretty much. That's the beauty of it.

That said, the restriction of one pick per month (which dummies like me only noticed now) means that it's possible you could have no valid picks in later rounds. For example, you only have April left to fill but there are no eligible dates to choose from.

So I think we either need to loosen the rules of (and this could be fun) force people to pass if they can't find an eligible pick. So some people could wind up with 12 picks, others would have less, with categories unfilled.

Neon_Chaos · 10-09-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Uh.. Someone correct me if my math is wrong, but I think this is going to get very hard. If every selection eliminates three days, then there will only be 5 (6 if you count feb. 29) days that are left eligible at the end of the draft. This may prove to be near impossible to get selections in the later rounds.

10 * 12 * 3 = 360

Thank God for Wikipedia.

Buccaneer · 10-09-2007, 04:27 PM

lord, I think that is the beauty of this contest. It may get down to a few dates that you have to fill and we will be scrambling to find something, anything that happened on that date for the category.

Neon_Chaos · 10-09-2007, 04:28 PM

We're going to end up with some obscure baron being given a pig by some king on a certain date.

On with the show, then!

Buccaneer · 10-09-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

We're going to end up with some obscure baron being given a pig by some King on a certain date.

On with the show, then!

LOL. Now that's funny.

Radii · 10-09-2007, 04:29 PM

I'm a big fan of assassinations, apparently, stealing away this famous death and moving it to another category.

2.6 - March 15th, 44 B.C. - Julius Caesar is assassinated by a group of conspirators in the Roman Senate (Politics)

While this is of course a famous death, its also a political conspiracy at the highest level in one of the greatest powers in world history. Caesar's death led to a civil war, the end of the Roman Republic, and the formation of the Roman Empire

lordscarlet · 10-09-2007, 04:32 PM

I was wondering when Caesar's assassination was going to be selected.

Also, I think the range of available days is:

5-124. (For those obsessed with this like I am

)

I think the days blacked out are at a minimum: (n*3) - (n-1) and at a maximum: (n*3)

path12 · 10-09-2007, 04:33 PM

Nice. Looks like I'm finding something else for March.

Radii · 10-09-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

I was wondering when Caesar's assassination was going to be selected.

It may well be too soon. Right or wrong, playing to the voters here will likely mean having a very "america-centric" draft. I'm hoping on this one that the fame of the event itself, combined with the fact that its an extremely well known date, makes it a pick worth taking this early and will play well with people judging events and others judging primarily well known dates.

Mustang · 10-09-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Uh.. Someone correct me if my math is wrong, but I think this is going to get very hard. If every selection eliminates three days, then there will only be 5 (6 if you count feb. 29) days that are left eligible at the end of the draft. This may prove to be near impossible to get selections in the later rounds.

10 * 12 * 3 = 360

Incorrect.

Not every day eliminates 3 days. You could have someone select Feb 2nd which would eliminate 1st and 3rd days but, then select Feb 4th but, Feb 3rd is already gone so, you just eliminate 1 more day in Feb 5th

Should be safe because the worst case is to select a day every 3 days.. example Feb 2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29 and that is 10 days available.

Unless I'm missing something.

But, as I had originally stated, my intent was to make it more 'draft' like where your choices would get infinitely whittled down to a last choice of September 19th - Boxcar Willy performs for his record 100th time on Hee-Haw as your television moment.

7/4/1776 = Drafting LT #1 over in the fantasy draft this year.. mostly a no brainer.
Last date available = WTF.. NOTHING happened on that date??? good god!

ntndeacon · 10-09-2007, 04:37 PM

crap! I was planning on that one lol

Mustang · 10-09-2007, 04:41 PM

Damn... I was hoping Caesar was going to fall. (no pun intended)

Neon_Chaos · 10-09-2007, 04:43 PM

Nice pick Radii.

Mustang · 10-09-2007, 04:45 PM

I hate my draft already.... I feel like I just drafted Cedric Benson and Brandon Jackson.

Buccaneer · 10-09-2007, 04:47 PM

How people would know that this particular Caesar was assassinated as oppose to other Caesers that were or were not?

Buccaneer · 10-09-2007, 04:49 PM

I think it would, unfortunately, be important that the first post be updated else we might have some conflicted picks.

Maple Leafs · 10-09-2007, 04:49 PM

Birthday/Death: June 28, 1914 - Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand

Maple Leafs · 10-09-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I think it would, unfortunately, be important that the first post be updated else we might have some conflicted picks.

I printed off a one-page calendar and am scratching the dates off as we go. Highly recommended.

ntndeacon · 10-09-2007, 04:50 PM

I was going to use the date as my fictional spot from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.

sabotai · 10-09-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

It may well be too soon.

FWIW, the "Ides of March" was one of the no-brainer 1st round picks I was thinking about earlier. We may be an American-centric board, but I think we're also generally well educated.

And not to mention, the popularity of the TV show Rome.

ntndeacon · 10-09-2007, 04:53 PM

Pre-17th century Europe : August 8,1588 The English defeat of the Spanish Armada

Mustang · 10-09-2007, 05:07 PM

There's a run on August....

lordscarlet · 10-09-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

Incorrect.

See my later post(s)

I'm just stating that it makes things very interesting, not that it was the wrong way to set things up.

TredWel · 10-09-2007, 05:10 PM

One of the most famous events in European History.

2.9: Pre-17th century Europe - October 14, 1066 - The Battle of Hastings.

I'll be stepping away for about an hour.

Neon_Chaos · 10-09-2007, 05:13 PM

MOTHERF. I was hoping Hastings would fall.

Mustang · 10-09-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

See my later post(s)

oops.

I was just verifying your followup statement.

Barkeep49 · 10-09-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I was going to use the date as my fictional spot from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.

I really had hoped that I was going to get this with 2.10 or 3.1 for this exact same purpose. It was one of the reasons I asked about reslotting since it fits nicely in either fiction or Death (or politics but that's filled for me).

10-09-2007, 03:07 PM	#101
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	PRIZE NOTE: I have too many freakin boardgames downstairs so... Whomever 'wins', I'll send them a free copy of Chronology (If for some reason I can't find the copy, I'll send something else. If in the event my America-centric dates win, I'll send it to the #2 place. ) __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

10-09-2007, 03:10 PM	#102
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Natural Disaster: August 24, 79 -- Mt Vesuvius erupts, destroying Pompeii. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-09-2007, 03:28 PM	#105
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	dola: I don't think September 11, 2001 is the sixth most significant date in United States history, much less world history. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

10-09-2007, 03:44 PM	#110
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Having to have separate months for each pick, as well as blacked out days makes it necessary to not always grab what one might think is the 'top' pick at a given time. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-09-2007, 04:15 PM	#115
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	This is so nitpicky I'm almost embarassed to post it, but... does the Feb. 28 event eliminate March 1, or just Feb. 29? __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

10-09-2007, 03:39 PM	#108
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I struggle with the "Natural" part of Natural Disaster, quite frankly.

10-09-2007, 04:06 PM	#113
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Which led to my earlier question. Will the date prevail over the event or will event regardless of date prevail in the voter's minds? Let's take Vesuvius. Great event, totally irrelevant date. I do, however, think by having to go with different months is a fascinating twist.

10-09-2007, 04:08 PM	#114
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I bet events will be strong in the voters mind.

10-09-2007, 04:16 PM	#116
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Who's on the clock? __________________ Come and see.

10-09-2007, 04:17 PM	#117
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I think Radii is. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

10-09-2007, 04:17 PM	#118
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I believe it would be Radii. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-09-2007, 04:22 PM	#120
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	Uh.. Someone correct me if my math is wrong, but I think this is going to get very hard. If every selection eliminates three days, then there will only be 5 (6 if you count feb. 29) days that are left eligible at the end of the draft. This may prove to be near impossible to get selections in the later rounds. 10 * 12 * 3 = 360 __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000 Last edited by lordscarlet : 10-09-2007 at 04:23 PM.

10-09-2007, 04:24 PM	#121
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	dola: I guess that's a bit of a simplification.. some of the 3 day ranges could overlap.. e.g.: I select March 2, it wips out March 1, 2,3. Someone chooses March 4, it wipes out March 3,4,5.. but that's still 5 days for every two picks.. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

10-09-2007, 04:24 PM	#122
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	ML, that is an excellent question.

10-09-2007, 04:27 PM	#126
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	lord, I think that is the beauty of this contest. It may get down to a few dates that you have to fill and we will be scrambling to find something, anything that happened on that date for the category.

10-09-2007, 04:28 PM	#127
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	We're going to end up with some obscure baron being given a pig by some king on a certain date. On with the show, then! __________________ Come and see. Last edited by Neon_Chaos : 10-09-2007 at 04:28 PM.

10-09-2007, 04:29 PM	#129
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm a big fan of assassinations, apparently, stealing away this famous death and moving it to another category. 2.6 - March 15th, 44 B.C. - Julius Caesar is assassinated by a group of conspirators in the Roman Senate (Politics) While this is of course a famous death, its also a political conspiracy at the highest level in one of the greatest powers in world history. Caesar's death led to a civil war, the end of the Roman Republic, and the formation of the Roman Empire

10-09-2007, 04:32 PM	#130
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	I was wondering when Caesar's assassination was going to be selected. Also, I think the range of available days is: 5-124. (For those obsessed with this like I am ) I think the days blacked out are at a minimum: (n3) - (n-1) and at a maximum: (n3) __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

10-09-2007, 04:33 PM	#131
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Nice. Looks like I'm finding something else for March. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-09-2007, 04:37 PM	#134
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	crap! I was planning on that one lol

10-09-2007, 04:41 PM	#135
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	Damn... I was hoping Caesar was going to fall. (no pun intended) __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

10-09-2007, 04:43 PM	#136
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Nice pick Radii. __________________ Come and see.

10-09-2007, 04:45 PM	#137
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	I hate my draft already.... I feel like I just drafted Cedric Benson and Brandon Jackson. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its... Last edited by Mustang : 10-09-2007 at 04:45 PM.

10-09-2007, 04:47 PM	#138
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	How people would know that this particular Caesar was assassinated as oppose to other Caesers that were or were not?

10-09-2007, 04:49 PM	#139
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I think it would, unfortunately, be important that the first post be updated else we might have some conflicted picks. Last edited by Buccaneer : 10-09-2007 at 04:49 PM.

10-09-2007, 04:49 PM	#140
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Birthday/Death: June 28, 1914 - Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

10-09-2007, 04:50 PM	#142
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I was going to use the date as my fictional spot from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.

10-09-2007, 04:53 PM	#144
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Pre-17th century Europe : August 8,1588 The English defeat of the Spanish Armada

10-09-2007, 05:07 PM	#145
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	There's a run on August.... __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

10-09-2007, 05:10 PM	#147
TredWel High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Old Forge, PA	One of the most famous events in European History. 2.9: Pre-17th century Europe - October 14, 1066 - The Battle of Hastings. I'll be stepping away for about an hour. __________________ There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people...religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin. - Linus Van Pelt

10-09-2007, 05:13 PM	#148
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	MOTHERF. I was hoping Hastings would fall. __________________ Come and see.

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