Towel Boy Basketball Returns! - Page 3

Passacaglia · 10-17-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

hmm.

Would a CSV (comma seperated values) output be useful for you spreadsheet warriors?

No. I demand a pretty interface!!!111

Passacaglia · 10-17-2007, 04:15 PM

Have some of you been recruiting already? Or is that AI recruiting?

rjolley · 10-17-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Are all walk-ons freshmen, or do they come in as any class?

No, I got a senior walk-on at SF.

Does your walk-on always come from your school's location?

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Have some of you been recruiting already? Or is that AI recruiting?

I've done mine.

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 04:23 PM

Walk Ons are random year scrubs. They exist to provide extra bodies in case you have a run of academically ineligible players.

And the AI doesn't recruit. They just get newly generated freshmen every year.

Travis · 10-17-2007, 04:24 PM

One thing I'd *love* to see would be the change in current attributes over a specified time frame (whether it's since the past week/start of the season/etc, of course having multiple selectable options for this or some sort of chart system would be even better).

Most of the reason I've set up a spreadsheet is to chart information like that to see how well players are responding to certain training types, but if it were presented in their player screens (or a history area of some sort), it could eliminate that need, especially with how you've now set up the training screen.

MikeVic · 10-17-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Walk Ons are random year scrubs. They exist to provide extra bodies in case you have a run of academically ineligible players.

And the AI doesn't recruit. They just get newly generated freshmen every year.

Damn, so walk-ons will never be decent enough to really contribute?

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 04:28 PM

Which is the one thing I really can't do with the way the players table is constructed (without a big overhaul in how that data is stored, at least). Each attribute is simply altered each training update: it doesn't care about past updates, and there's no field in the table to store such info.

Also, to do that right, we're talking a few thousand players right now, and that's with 200 teams. Figure you need 20 values per update (16 for stats before/after, and a couple more to identify the player) per player. That would get big...rapidly.

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Damn, so walk-ons will never be decent enough to really contribute?

If you leave 'em on your squad and train em a bit, they could be passable. But no, they're likely never gonna be anything you'd WANT to put out there. They were meant to act as emergency players.

And may be even more handy in a pinch if I add injuries like I want to.

Passacaglia · 10-17-2007, 04:37 PM

Man. My best player is a 6'11", 198 pound power forward.

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 04:50 PM

New feature. "Useless Facts".

Palm Springs features the smartest, one of the youngest, and one of the fattest teams in the country.

Mr. Wednesday · 10-17-2007, 04:53 PM

"Univeristy"?

Mr. Wednesday · 10-17-2007, 04:54 PM

And since we have the stick figures / fatsos table, how about giants / midgets tables?

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

"Univeristy"?

My tribute to Daivd Winter.

Even I have typos.

And tallest/shortest is tougher to do. I'm trying to figure out a good way to do it.

Mr. Wednesday · 10-17-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

My team hasn't played any games yet, but the site says they're all losses!

No, it says they're all league games.

Mr. Wednesday · 10-17-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Have some of you been recruiting already? Or is that AI recruiting?

I've started. Unfortunately, the guy I'm targetting at the moment wants to go out-of-state whereas I'm in his state. He'd be perfect as a continuation player for the squad I already have...

JonInMiddleGA · 10-17-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Man. My best player is a 6'11", 198 pound power forward.

I thought Shawn Bradley's eligibility was up by now.

MikeVic · 10-17-2007, 04:57 PM

Whoo! We're the second heaviest! And uhh... one of the ten lowest ranked teams. Awesome.

Passacaglia · 10-17-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

My tribute to Daivd Winter.

Even I have typos.

And tallest/shortest is tougher to do. I'm trying to figure out a good way to do it.

Moderately is also spelled wrong in the recruiting pull-down menu, if we're looking at typos.

Icy · 10-17-2007, 05:19 PM

Just got my team:

Toledo ES Swordmasters
Full School Name: University of Toledo Spain
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Conference: Conference Dolamite
Current Record: 0 - 0
Conference Standing: #7
National Ranking: N/R
Graduating Seniors: 3 (3 scholarship players)
Average GPA: 2.98
Walk Ons: 5 available
Arena Name: Sun Arena
Arena Capacity: 10,411

wade moore · 10-17-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

hmm.

Would a CSV (comma seperated values) output be useful for you spreadsheet warriors?

Yes!

What I'm stuck trying to do is copy and paste the output into excel and make something of it.... But because it's in a multi-row/multi-column format it makes it difficult...

So like... if not a csv if each player had their stats go down one column instead of across two or something.. it just makes it difficult to compare, track improvements, etc.

TargetPractice6 · 10-17-2007, 05:37 PM

According to top 50 players I have the best player on a human team. I must be awesome at this game.

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Yes!

What I'm stuck trying to do is copy and paste the output into excel and make something of it.... But because it's in a multi-row/multi-column format it makes it difficult...

So like... if not a csv if each player had their stats go down one column instead of across two or something.. it just makes it difficult to compare, track improvements, etc.

New in the nav. "Players CSV". Should be exactly what you need.

Travis · 10-17-2007, 05:42 PM

If you're willing to do a more spreadsheet friendly output feature, I'd like to throw my vote in for numerical representations for the skills. Even if it's kept on the site using the naming convention, would be really nice to have those as numericals for spreadsheet use.

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 05:44 PM

Also put in the Midgets and Trees. It's likely not perfectly accurate because of the way I store height, and I can't produce an average height without making the code really really complex. But more fun.

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

If you're willing to do a more spreadsheet friendly output feature, I'd like to throw my vote in for numerical representations for the skills. Even if it's kept on the site using the naming convention, would be really nice to have those as numericals for spreadsheet use.

Changed in the CSV. Bear in mind, that's not the REAL stat value, just a 1-20 representing each level.

Damn people wanting numbers. You'd think this was a text sim forum or something.

Travis · 10-17-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Changed in the CSV. Bear in mind, that's not the REAL stat value, just a 1-20 representing each level.

Damn people wanting numbers. You'd think this was a text sim forum or something.

Awesome, thanks!

Icy · 10-17-2007, 06:11 PM

When are the sims run for training/recruiting?

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 06:13 PM

*mutters about the best SG prospect wanting Ease of Academics when you're the top Academic school in the game*

Under the new schedule, Recruiting runs monday, training tomorrow.

CU Tiger · 10-17-2007, 06:32 PM

I have a freshman thats 5'6" and weighd 126 lbs...and he is a small forward....Sorry son you can sit down theeree by the jug

CU Tiger · 10-17-2007, 06:33 PM

and another is 5'1"...HELL we are going to change our name to the Mugsy Boges's

Icy · 10-17-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

and another is 5'1"...HELL we are going to change our name to the Mugsy Boges's

You can always pile those two kids one above the other and use them as Center.

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 06:49 PM

May hafta slightly revise the height/weight charts in the future.

wade moore · 10-17-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Changed in the CSV. Bear in mind, that's not the REAL stat value, just a 1-20 representing each level.

Damn people wanting numbers. You'd think this was a text sim forum or something.

I'll check this out now, thanks! I was just using a VLOOKUP to change them to 1-20, so it wasn't a huge problem for me on the numbers vs. text

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wade moore · 10-17-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I'll check this out now, thanks! I was just using a VLOOKUP to change them to 1-20, so it wasn't a huge problem for me on the numbers vs. text

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Works like a charm...

Now if we can only convince you to work something up for recruits

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Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 07:31 PM

We're up to 41 players, btw.

Lorena · 10-17-2007, 07:47 PM

Alright bitches, I'm in. Welcome my Bandidos of East L.A:

U of ELA Bandidos
Full School Name: University of East L.A.
Location: East Los Angeles, CA
Conference: Erik Flamebeard Ten
Current Record: 0 - 0
Conference Standing: #3
National Ranking: N/R
Graduating Seniors: 1 (1 scholarship players)
Average GPA: 3.27
Walk Ons: 3 available
Arena Name: La Carcel de East L.A.
Arena Capacity: 10,273

Head Coach: Dodgerchick
Also Known As: Lorena Marks
Email: [email protected]
Last Seen: 2007-10-17 19:40:28

korme · 10-17-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

and another is 5'1"...HELL we are going to change our name to the Mugsy Boges's

Wouldn't that be a slight at Muggsy Bogues?

korme · 10-17-2007, 08:16 PM

So, since I have no seniors, is recruiting for this season for me pretty much moot?

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 08:19 PM

wade moore · 10-17-2007, 08:26 PM

Can't we have games tonight?

I'm also remembering how much fun I had with this.. I'm sure I'm influenced by it being done by an FOFCer that is very receptive to feedback..

Anyway.. I need to dig into recruiting next, I just haven't decided what kind of strategery I want to attempt there...

I was wondering though about another offensive style.. I was going to use Run and Shoot until I actually read it.. what I was thinking was more a pressing, aggressive offense rather than one of those shoot 100 time a game offenses

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Antmeister · 10-17-2007, 08:29 PM

Thanks Coffee Warlord for the numeric definition of the skill descriptions. Helps out a lot.

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I was wondering though about another offensive style.. I was going to use Run and Shoot until I actually read it.. what I was thinking was more a pressing, aggressive offense rather than one of those shoot 100 time a game offenses

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Run and Shoot for the win!

wade moore · 10-17-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister

Thanks Coffee Warlord for the numeric definition of the skill descriptions. Helps out a lot.

It sounds like we need to be careful though - I think he was careful to mention that these are just representations, not values. I take that to mean that not all ratings are equal. In other words a 10 is not 10x as good as a 1, etc, etc..

Right CW?

wade moore · 10-17-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Run and Shoot for the win!

I mean, is that what the Run and Shoot is? Is it aggressive or insane? Is it the kind of offense that in real life you'd expect to be scoring like 140 points a night, or just 80 points?

sterlingice · 10-17-2007, 08:50 PM

I demand the 5'2" 380lb C's and 7'8" 135lb PG's we used to get in older versions!

SI

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I mean, is that what the Run and Shoot is? Is it aggressive or insane? Is it the kind of offense that in real life you'd expect to be scoring like 140 points a night, or just 80 points?

Mind you, it's been awhile since I wrote the engine, but it's basically the machine gun theory of basketball. You're not relying on ball movement to get an open shot, you're relying on getting it up there as much as possible as quickly as possible. You're not gonna get necessarily an open shot, you're gonna get a shot.

It's not an INSANE level, none of the offenses are, it just relies on getting a shot up instead of passing it around.

Coffee Warlord · 10-17-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

It sounds like we need to be careful though - I think he was careful to mention that these are just representations, not values. I take that to mean that not all ratings are equal. In other words a 10 is not 10x as good as a 1, etc, etc..

Right CW?

The numeric/word versions of stats represent a range of numbers equal to the "real" skill, just like Hattrick did, and yes, they are not all equal ranges.

wade moore · 10-17-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Mind you, it's been awhile since I wrote the engine, but it's basically the machine gun theory of basketball. You're not relying on ball movement to get an open shot, you're relying on getting it up there as much as possible as quickly as possible. You're not gonna get necessarily an open shot, you're gonna get a shot.

It's not an INSANE level, none of the offenses are, it just relies on getting a shot up instead of passing it around.

Gotcha. I'll probably play with it at some point, but I think it fits less with the age adjustments for my team anyways. Before those adjustments I think it would make sense, but now my talents fit some of the other offenses a little better.

wade moore · 10-17-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

The numeric/word versions of stats represent a range of numbers equal to the "real" skill, just like Hattrick did, and yes, they are not all equal ranges.

Cool - fwiw, I know zippy about Hattrick

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Anthony · 10-17-2007, 09:06 PM

hey CW, anyway to make it so that we can change our team names? i think i like the Dean Houston University Violators much much better. i was at work when i did my team so i did it really quickly during my lunch break. or can you do a one-time name change, as annoying as that might be.

also, congrats on making a very simple but fun game. it could be the start of something. if you would like me to make logos or something let me know, i like doing anything that increases the eye candy element of something.

10-17-2007, 04:23 PM	#104
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Walk Ons are random year scrubs. They exist to provide extra bodies in case you have a run of academically ineligible players. And the AI doesn't recruit. They just get newly generated freshmen every year. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 10-17-2007 at 04:24 PM.

10-17-2007, 04:24 PM	#105
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	One thing I'd love to see would be the change in current attributes over a specified time frame (whether it's since the past week/start of the season/etc, of course having multiple selectable options for this or some sort of chart system would be even better). Most of the reason I've set up a spreadsheet is to chart information like that to see how well players are responding to certain training types, but if it were presented in their player screens (or a history area of some sort), it could eliminate that need, especially with how you've now set up the training screen. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

10-17-2007, 04:53 PM	#111
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	"Univeristy"? __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

10-17-2007, 04:54 PM	#112
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	And since we have the stick figures / fatsos table, how about giants / midgets tables? __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

10-17-2007, 05:19 PM	#119
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Just got my team: Toledo ES Swordmasters Full School Name: University of Toledo Spain Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Conference: Conference Dolamite Current Record: 0 - 0 Conference Standing: #7 National Ranking: N/R Graduating Seniors: 3 (3 scholarship players) Average GPA: 2.98 Walk Ons: 5 available Arena Name: Sun Arena Arena Capacity: 10,411 __________________

10-17-2007, 04:15 PM	#102
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Have some of you been recruiting already? Or is that AI recruiting?

10-17-2007, 04:28 PM	#107
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Which is the one thing I really can't do with the way the players table is constructed (without a big overhaul in how that data is stored, at least). Each attribute is simply altered each training update: it doesn't care about past updates, and there's no field in the table to store such info. Also, to do that right, we're talking a few thousand players right now, and that's with 200 teams. Figure you need 20 values per update (16 for stats before/after, and a couple more to identify the player) per player. That would get big...rapidly.

10-17-2007, 04:37 PM	#109
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Man. My best player is a 6'11", 198 pound power forward.

10-17-2007, 04:50 PM	#110
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	New feature. "Useless Facts". Palm Springs features the smartest, one of the youngest, and one of the fattest teams in the country.

10-17-2007, 04:57 PM	#117
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Whoo! We're the second heaviest! And uhh... one of the ten lowest ranked teams. Awesome.

10-17-2007, 05:37 PM	#121
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	According to top 50 players I have the best player on a human team. I must be awesome at this game.

10-17-2007, 05:42 PM	#123
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	If you're willing to do a more spreadsheet friendly output feature, I'd like to throw my vote in for numerical representations for the skills. Even if it's kept on the site using the naming convention, would be really nice to have those as numericals for spreadsheet use. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

10-17-2007, 05:44 PM	#124
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Also put in the Midgets and Trees. It's likely not perfectly accurate because of the way I store height, and I can't produce an average height without making the code really really complex. But more fun.

10-17-2007, 06:11 PM	#127
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	When are the sims run for training/recruiting? __________________

10-17-2007, 06:13 PM	#128
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	mutters about the best SG prospect wanting Ease of Academics when you're the top Academic school in the game Under the new schedule, Recruiting runs monday, training tomorrow. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 10-17-2007 at 06:13 PM.

10-17-2007, 06:32 PM	#129
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	I have a freshman thats 5'6" and weighd 126 lbs...and he is a small forward....Sorry son you can sit down theeree by the jug

10-17-2007, 06:33 PM	#130
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	and another is 5'1"...HELL we are going to change our name to the Mugsy Boges's

10-17-2007, 06:49 PM	#132
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	May hafta slightly revise the height/weight charts in the future.

10-17-2007, 07:31 PM	#135
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	We're up to 41 players, btw.

10-17-2007, 07:47 PM	#136
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Alright bitches, I'm in. Welcome my Bandidos of East L.A: U of ELA Bandidos Full School Name: University of East L.A. Location: East Los Angeles, CA Conference: Erik Flamebeard Ten Current Record: 0 - 0 Conference Standing: #3 National Ranking: N/R Graduating Seniors: 1 (1 scholarship players) Average GPA: 3.27 Walk Ons: 3 available Arena Name: La Carcel de East L.A. Arena Capacity: 10,273 Head Coach: Dodgerchick Also Known As: Lorena Marks Email: [email protected] Last Seen: 2007-10-17 19:40:28

10-17-2007, 08:16 PM	#138
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	So, since I have no seniors, is recruiting for this season for me pretty much moot?

10-17-2007, 08:19 PM	#139
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Yep.

10-17-2007, 08:29 PM	#141
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	Thanks Coffee Warlord for the numeric definition of the skill descriptions. Helps out a lot. __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew

10-17-2007, 08:50 PM	#145
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I demand the 5'2" 380lb C's and 7'8" 135lb PG's we used to get in older versions! SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-17-2007, 09:06 PM	#150
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	hey CW, anyway to make it so that we can change our team names? i think i like the Dean Houston University Violators much much better. i was at work when i did my team so i did it really quickly during my lunch break. or can you do a one-time name change, as annoying as that might be. also, congrats on making a very simple but fun game. it could be the start of something. if you would like me to make logos or something let me know, i like doing anything that increases the eye candy element of something.

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