WW 103? - 42 Attempts (Game Over - Conspirators Win)

[Danny]

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

It sounds like we're both talking ourselves into saldana. I like The Jackal for the other wolf. Schmidty, your take?

Let's hear it for WEST SIDE, BTW! That's right, the left coast is where it's at!

What do I think?

Vote Lathadana

I trust you guys!! I've had too much sake!!!!

[The Jackal]

We should be fine even if you guys make the mistake of lynching me after lathdana, right?

So if you honestly think I'm a wolf, go ahead. I'm not.

[The Jackal]

My voting record is crap, especially if CR is good, so I don't really blame people. I just hope lynching me doesn't win it for the conspirators, is all. If I have to go down for a win in the end, that's fine.

[PurdueBrad]

My vote remains the same but great job on the Autumn catch. I will vote either for Danny for Fuhrer or whoever he says to vote for (as it is a death sentence it seems).

vote Lath-dana

[PurdueBrad]

Do I need to clarify my above vote?

vote Lath-dana for lynch

[KWhit]

Good to see that you guys are voting for Saldana. I have more information than you do in that I know I am a villager (I know, everybody says that, whether they are or not), so I know for a fact that Saldana is the wolf that killed Hitler. But you guys can't know that, so here are the other reasons why you should stick with Saldana.

You guys have already touched on them, but here they are:

1) If I was the bomber, I would have tried to kill Hitler at the first meeting. Saldana was at meeting 2, but not meeting 1. He took the first chance he got to try to kill him.

2) I'm still convinced there were 4 starting wolves. The numbers don't add up too well for there just being 3 in a big game like this. I think that the reason why they didn't go for an endgame scenario is because there were 2 wolves up for lynch yesterday and they didn't feel they could push for a 3rd candidate without being obvious.

3) Saldana was the only person not on one of the major candidates. Why didn't he vote for Autumn? Because they are both wolves.



Vote Saldana

[The Jackal]

vote lath-dana

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Do we know what happened with saldana? Did he leave after making his KWhit vote? I am trying to make sense of him having a vote on a non-candidate when his butt was on the line.

Originally Posted by Danny

Definitely needs to be checked out further. With an even number of players, if they were both wolves, having a vote on 3rd party makes a tie very unlikely.

wow...you guys know that there is no deadline for like, 60 hours from now, right.

as for why i left my vote where i did, i put my vote on the person I believe is stauffenburg, and that is where i left it, end of story, i hate getting caught up in alot of late switching because it is uncoordinated and can very easily backfire in our faces. at the risk of being Meta-gamey, look at all the other games you have played with me and i guarantee you will find many more instances of me standing with my early vote that i believe in as opposed to scrambling around with the clock ticking.

as far as me being at the 2nd meeting and not at the first, that doesnt really clear Kwhit for me...if i were a wolf, I would have assumed that Esler was going to plant his bomb immediately in order to make sure he got it in...kind of the same rationale as the duke using his power on the first day...use it or risk losing it if he is lynched...the last thing i would want to have done is waste both bombing attempts at the same time, so if Kwhit is Stauffenberg (which i believe he is), it would be entirely logical to me for him to have saved his shot for later when his chances for success were better and the chances for duplication were lower.

[saldana]

nice hit and run vote there Jackal

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by saldana

nice hit and run vote there Jackal

it's not hit and run

[The Jackal]

i don't think kwhit is cleared, i think there's a chance he is also a wolf and that's why the attempt succeeded, but i'm not seeing a situation where you aren't a wolf

[Abe Sargent]

12 hours since the last post. And not during sleeptime.

[Danny]

On a Saturday though. Plus I think Chief and I did our fair share of posting last night

[Danny]

Alright, I was debating whether to come out with this, but since I think this in all likelihood is my last day to live, I might as well.

I can use my ability again to lynch an extra person. I was planning on using it yesterday in the event Autumn wasn't lynched, but my ICU situation changed that (plus he ended up lynched anyway). I'm debating the possibility of using it because if we're 4-3 then even a correct lynch followed by a missed duke means a successful night kill is a loss. If we're 5-2 then it potentially helps as the likelihood of missing on the lynch and the duke seems unlikely, though that would = a loss.

What does everyone think? (only the non wolves please :P)

[The Jackal]

Sounds good to me. Even if you're going to make me the extra lynch, which I'd advise against. But when I turn up villager (if you did that), game would be close to over, and we wouldn't have to bother discussing me vs kwhit or PB the next day, yes?

[The Jackal]

I hope I can convince you guys I honestly don't have a role, but I don't know what to point to, really. Voting record hasn't been good, wolves seemed to have not been voting for me, so I donno.

[Danny]

If we're 5-2 the side I see for using it is that at least one of Kwhit and Saldana is a wolf. If I use it on the non lynch, we are guarenteed to find a wolf and potentially even 2. If 4-3 than this is a risky strategy.

[The Jackal]

I'd guess there isn't a vanilla wolf, but I suppose it's possible. However, with the convert in play and two assassination possibilities, I donno. Hard to say.

[PurdueBrad]

Danny, I agree with you using your power. I would prefer it not be me but I understand if I'm your choice. I do think the KWhit-Lath-dana combo is solid as well.

[Chief Rum]

I do not think there are three wolves left, based on what Autumn said. So I am fine with Danny using his ability.

That said, I don't think he should open up that choice to public discussion. Let him make that decision on his own.

[Danny]

Something I just noticed

Day 3

bulletsponge 7 - Danny (618), Schmidty (655), Telle (671), PurdueBrad (687), ntndeacon (698), Lathum (733), Abe Sargent (738)
The Jackal 4 - J23 (627), Chief Rum (664), bulletsponge (682), Autumn (723)
ntndeacon 3 - KWhit (654), The Jackal (657), JAG (690)

Autumn puts a vote on the Jackal with two villagers as other candidates. I'll need to check exactly, but at the time of this move, it appears Jackal was still in real danger and there were two other villager candidates out there. I surprised I missed this, but I think we have to move Jackal down the suspicion list some.

I also noticed that Jackal didn't point this out, I'd think a wolf would have pointed it out to help gain trust, but he hasn't.

[The Jackal]

Grazi, Danny, I hadn't remembered/noticed that.

[The Jackal]

Right, that was one of the nights I was out and Autumn tried to sneak voting on to me late.

[Abe Sargent]

Again, forever since the last post. Stop killing off people who talk a lot!!!

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Again, forever since the last post. Stop killing off people who talk a lot!!!

I second this suggestion.

[PurdueBrad]

From my POV, there isn't a ton to say. Somewhere between Lath-dana, KWhit, and Autumn there are at least two wolves.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

From my POV, there isn't a ton to say. Somewhere between Lath-dana, KWhit, and Autumn there are at least two wolves.

That's not saying much since Autumn is already caught :P

[Danny]

Vote Saldana

[PurdueBrad]

Ha! Completely forgot Friday night (pretty much in general. Pain pills and alcohol are an interesting mix). So Autumn is gone. Do we need to vote for a new Fuhrer?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Ha! Completely forgot Friday night (pretty much in general. Pain pills and alcohol are an interesting mix). So Autumn is gone. Do we need to vote for a new Fuhrer?

Yes, either CR or I should be the choices. Obviously whoever it is will likely end up killed. I am fine with it being me though and leaving CR to finish this one off. It should definitely be one of us.

[PurdueBrad]

Danny, if we make you Fuhrer, do you still get to keep/use your power this time?

[Danny]

Sure, one has nothing to do with the other as far as I know. And killing me off doesn't stop the power either since it's a day action, so there's no negative for electing me other than it's even more of a sure thing I will die.

[Danny]

I'll be gone most of the day, but will be back an hour or two before deadline. I don't see my vote changing. Regarding my ability, I go back and forth as everyone seems to have evidence for and evidence against them. We'll see what I decide in the end

[PurdueBrad]

vote Danny for Fuhrer

[The Jackal]

This time we're voting privately through PM's, PB.

[PurdueBrad]

Gracias, will fix that then!

[Chief Rum]

I don't believe I voted yet, so I should get this one in.

VOTE SALDANA

[Chief Rum]

I am also voting Danny as the new Fuhrer.

[Schmidty]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[PurdueBrad]

I'll hop in but I'm not sure it'll happen.

vote nightfall

[The Jackal]

Sure.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Chief Rum]

I thought there was something in the rules about not doing a Nightfall?

I'll vote for it if it's allowed, though.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[EagleFan]

Just checking in. Will not have access until early evening which means the earliest for a nightfall (if that passes) will be probably around 6 PM EST or so.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I thought there was something in the rules about not doing a Nightfall?

I'll vote for it if it's allowed, though.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

There might be. I didn't check. I just want the day to end, because I'm bored and I think we're all set on Lathdana.

[EagleFan]

Nightfall can occur, just not on a day with a meeting event (which is not today) and must be unanymous.

[Lathum]

Blowing up Berlin was fun.

Vote Nightfall

[KWhit]

Vote Nightfall.

[KWhit]

Danny,

I strongly suggest that if you are going to use your power to kill another player it NOT be me. I am a villager.

For all the reasons stated previously, it was likely that 1 of Lathdana or myself were wolves. Since Lathum has conceded, it doesn't make sense to off me today as well. There is absolutely no evidence against me at all now that it is known that Latnum is a wolf.

[The Jackal]

Except for the whole maybe it took two conspirators at the meeting for the bomb to work.