Fort Hood Shooting - 12 Dead, 30+ Injured

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Anyway, my sister is there, or works there at least. She's okay -- I guess she was off-post at the time.

Glad your sister is well Pass, such a tragedy in a place our troops should be safest.

RIP and prayers to the families.

[Tasan]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Technically it would be military and in this case probably federal having happened on a base. That being said I am sure the miltary authoriites will be working with the local state prosecutors to see who can get a more severe sentencing with death almost certainly being the aim IMHO.

Conviction in a court marshal can result in the death penalty. I'm guessing this is where the trial ends up, since the majority of those killed and wounded were servicemen, and more importantly the shooter was too.

Court-martial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for what its worth.

[RainMaker]

The thing that bothers me about this shit is that they take other people. If you hate your life then kill yourself. These assholes have to take other people with them though. Just can't stand stories like this.

[whomario]

right now the "he was muslim and went on a suicide mission" is not more likely than "he was bat crazy and crushed by the military structure" ...

His carnage followed several other cases of U.S. soldiers turning homicidal against their comrades.
In May, Sgt. John Russell, 44, went on a rampage at Camp Liberty in Iraq, killing five soldiers in an anti-stress clinic. Sgt. Joseph Bozicevich, 39, murdered two superiors at a base south of Baghdad in September 2008.
Suicides are also on the rise. Army suicides are up 37% since 2006, and the military rate is higher than the civilian rate.
Since the 2003 Iraq invasion, 75 Fort Hood soldiers have killed themselves, nine this year. That prompted the base to take steps to reduce stress on soldiers, including cutting work hours and ordering them to be home in time for dinner.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_why_did_fort_hood_killer_snap.html#ixzz0W4TtYbSx

I mean, those are some substantial numbers right there, didn´t hear that much about it (then again german media doesn´t have the american military and it´s problems high on their list of priorities obviously) .

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Not until it was quoted in the next post.

But oddly enough what jumped out at me much more shockingly was the rank of the reported shooter, way moreso than his more-exotic-than-John-Smith name.

Originally Posted by Radii

+1

+2. That really jumped out at me, too.



Just read this on him, in this story...

Picture begins to emerge of Fort Hood suspect - CNN.com

According to military records, Hasan was born in Virginia, and a federal official said he was a U.S. citizen of Jordanian descent.

Military records show Hasan receiving his appointment to the Army as a first lieutenant in June 1997 after graduating from Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, with a degree in biochemistry.


Six years later, he graduated from the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences' F. Edward Hebert School Of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland, and was first an intern, then a resident and finally a fellow at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.


Promoted to captain in 2003, he was promoted to major in May.
In 2009, Hasan he completed a fellowship in disaster and preventive psychiatry and was assigned to Darnall in July.


He was awarded the National Defense Service Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the Army Service Ribbon, but was never deployed outside the United States.

My sniff test says this sounds like a case of a previously-valuable asset with a significant track record of good/excellent service who just went nutso, whether for non-religious or religious reasons. 12 years is an awfully long time to have been in the military with intending to pull something like this.

[DaddyTorgo]

weren't there multiple shooters though? or have they backed off that?

[Ben E Lou]

See the lead story at CNN.com. They've backed off it publicly, at least.

Fort Hood, Texas (CNN) -- The suspect in Thursday's deadly shootings at Fort Hood, Texas, is in stable condition, the hospital commander at the base said Friday.


Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a psychiatrist practicing at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, was shot multiple times and was taken into custody, ending the shooting rampage Thursday afternoon.


The gunman opened fire at a military processing center at Fort Hood, killing one civilian and 12 soldiers, said Col. John Rossi, deputy commanding general at Fort Hood.


Twenty-eight people are still hospitalized and in stable condition, Rossi said at a news conference Friday morning. Hasan is the sole suspect in the shootings, Rossi said.

[Calis]

I think people are giving too much credit to the time in. When I was in some of the most jacked up people around were the ones who had been in for years and I met a fair share of Majors who weren't clicking on all cylinders.

Obviously going to this sort of extreme is another matter all together though, but I actually didn't see the rank or time in service as shocking.

I think it's probably a mixture of factors from getting deployed to treatment or perceived treatment based off his name/religion, and what he's seen from people coming back.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Calis

I think people are giving too much credit to the time in. When I was in some of the most jacked up people around were the ones who had been in for years and I met a fair share of Majors who weren't clicking on all cylinders.

Obviously going to this sort of extreme is another matter all together though, but I actually didn't see the rank or time in service as shocking.

I think it's probably a mixture of factors from getting deployed to treatment or perceived treatment based off his name/religion, and what he's seen from people coming back.

I agree totally, when I served there was still quite a few Vietnam vets in and I swear some of them could not have functioned outside the military and like Calis I met more than 1 that was plain nuts. Lengthy service time and combat/pending combat experience, especially in places as fucked as Iraq/Vietnam seem to make some very susceptible to this type of thing unfortunately.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

My sniff test says this sounds like a case of a previously-valuable asset with a significant track record of good/excellent service who just went nutso, whether for non-religious or religious reasons. 12 years is an awfully long time to have been in the military with intending to pull something like this.

FYI, everyone in the military gets the National Defense Service Medal and Global War on Terrorism Service Medal. They're just medals to make Soldiers feel better because they don't have anything on their chest. The Army Service Ribbon is given out when Soldiers complete AIT or and Officer Basic Course.

If he had the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, it would've meant that he deployed.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

FYI, everyone in the military gets the National Defense Service Medal and Global War on Terrorism Service Medal. They're just medals to make Soldiers feel better because they don't have anything on their chest.

Heh. Freakin' Bobby Brady awards, eh?

[Raiders Army]

Yep.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Tasan

Conviction in a court marshal can result in the death penalty. I'm guessing this is where the trial ends up, since the majority of those killed and wounded were servicemen, and more importantly the shooter was too.

Court-martial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for what its worth.

Yes, it can result in a death penalty but he did this int he state of TEXAS so they surely could get the death penalty quickly there. Shit they probably could get him a death penalty for each person killed. Flip the switch 12 times on the bastard.

[Dodgerchick]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Yes, it can result in a death penalty but he did this int he state of TEXAS so they surely could get the death penalty quickly there. Shit they probably could get him a death penalty for each person killed. Flip the switch 12 times on the bastard.

OK, this made me laugh.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Calis

I think people are giving too much credit to the time in. When I was in some of the most jacked up people around were the ones who had been in for years and I met a fair share of Majors who weren't clicking on all cylinders.

Obviously going to this sort of extreme is another matter all together though, but I actually didn't see the rank or time in service as shocking.

I think it's probably a mixture of factors from getting deployed to treatment or perceived treatment based off his name/religion, and what he's seen from people coming back.

Agree same experience for me as well.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Not all, but we aren't fighting multiple wars to protect ourselves from some atheists who want to fly planes into buildings. Take a look at most of the major global conflicts today and let me know what they have in common.

Power, land, hatred. I don;t see love, respect, and tolerance, which are principles espoused by every major religion. Just because someone claims they are a part of a religion doesn't mean they are.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

My sniff test says this sounds like a case of a previously-valuable asset with a significant track record of good/excellent service who just went nutso, whether for non-religious or religious reasons. 12 years is an awfully long time to have been in the military with intending to pull something like this.

I think that his religious beliefs factored in as the pressure/catalyst for him to snap, but were not to blame for the act no more than if the catalyst had been an unfaithful spouse.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Flip the switch 12 times on the bastard.

What's that burning smell?

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

I think that his religious beliefs factored in as the pressure/catalyst for him to snap, but were not to blame for the act no more than if the catalyst had been an unfaithful spouse.

You've talked to him personally?

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

You've talked to him personally?

Considering he yelled, "Allahu Akbar" during the shootings it's not a bad guess.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Considering he yelled, "Allahu Akbar" during the shootings it's not a bad guess.

That may have happened, but after all the false and mistaken reports yesterday I'm not going to take that at face value yet.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

I think that his religious beliefs factored in as the pressure/catalyst for him to snap, but were not to blame for the act no more than if the catalyst had been an unfaithful spouse.

Originally Posted by DanGarion

You've talked to him personally?

Yeah, any one who is trying to just paint this as a crazy guy I think will have a tough time selling that one to the jury don't you think? Why would they even entertain that idea and help this guy get a insanity plea? I think there were obvious religious undertones at the least with these shootings. The evidence is already coming out he was a vocal opponent to the war's and had compared the suicide bombers top soldiers who jumped on grenades to save other soldiers. Not sure what it all means but it doesn't sound good for Major Hasan I would say for sure.

I also have a question on where this Shrink got the two guns in the first place? I am assuming they were his personal privately owned guns? If it comes out he just bought these guns recently it will be a shame there was not some kind of check that could of alert the authorities that already had him marked as a possible threat.

[MrBug708]

It is sad that someone who received so much sponsored training through our military repaid his debt with such violence.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Power, land, hatred. I don;t see love, respect, and tolerance, which are principles espoused by every major religion. Just because someone claims they are a part of a religion doesn't mean they are.

Kind of an easy out to just say that everyone who flies into a building or shoots up a military base while espousing their religuous beliefs were not really part of the religion. Maybe next you can tell me that gangs are completely safe because those who kill other people are not really part of the gang.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Kind of an easy out to just say that everyone who flies into a building or shoots up a military base while espousing their religuous beliefs were not really part of the religion. Maybe next you can tell me that gangs are completely safe because those who kill other people are not really part of the gang.

An easy out of what?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

An easy out of what?

I said that many of our major conflicts in the world are religious in nature. He said that those people don't count for some reason as being part of religion for some reason.

[RainMaker]

This might have been the stresser. A fellow soldier ripped a bumper sticker off his car and keyed it.

Manager: Muslim sticker removed from suspect's car - Yahoo! News

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I said that many of our major conflicts in the world are religious in nature. He said that those people don't count for some reason as being part of religion for some reason.

I think it's greatly oversimplifying things to say that our major conflicts are religious in nature -- I think that's an assumption that's being made because the sides involved are of different religions, and because religion is used to rile people up for it. But I think in each case, there's a true nature to the conflict that religion is shielding. That might have been what Abe was trying to say too, but I'm not sure.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

This might have been the stresser. A fellow soldier ripped a bumper sticker off his car and keyed it.

Manager: Muslim sticker removed from suspect's car - Yahoo! News

tarcone!!!!

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

tarcone!!!!

When I saw what the sticker said, I thought the same exact thing.

[Dutch]

A very tragic day indeed. My heart goes out to the soldiers that lost their lives, their families, and every one directly or indirectly related to this massacre.

[lungs]

One of the wounded grew up not too far from me.

[Glengoyne]

As for one of the rumors that there were multiple shooters. One of the two cops who shot him heard people telling him "two more...two more". He thought they were telling him there were two more suspects.

Actually they were saying...'put two more into him.'

Officer Describes Hasan Firefight - CBS News


It looks like there is still a lot that is unclear about what actually took place.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Tasan

Conviction in a court marshal can result in the death penalty. I'm guessing this is where the trial ends up, since the majority of those killed and wounded were servicemen, and more importantly the shooter was too.

Court-martial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for what its worth.

here is an article mentioning how rae it is for the death penalty in miltitary justice cases outside of war time/combat scenarios.
Death penalty rare, executions rarer in military - Yahoo! News

[stevew]

I didn't realize soldiers weren't armed at all times. I expected an ankle holster weapon would be standard issue.

[DaddyTorgo]

Bump

Alleged Fort Hood shooter confirmed dead, 14 injured - WAFF-TV: News, Weather and Sports for Huntsville, AL

KCEN-TV reported an active shooter at Fort Hood around 4:30 p.m. CT, and said several injuries have been sustained and one person has been taken to the hospital with injuries.

The Associated Press reports the alleged shooter died of a self-inflicted wound, according to an internal Justice Department report.

At least 14 have been reported injured in a shooting that reportedly started at the medical support building on Fort Hood in central Texas on Wednesday.

[NobodyHere]

I hate sequels

[Sun Tzu]

Hate is a strong word.

[EagleFan]

Seriously? Why do these tragedies always bring out the troll?

[Dutch]

Damn.

[JonInMiddleGA]

NBC Dallas reporting that it appears to have begun with an argument in the motor pool. Shooter tentatively ID'ed as a 34 y/o enlisted man

3 Victims, Gunman Dead After Second Fort Hood Mass Shooting | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

[flere-imsaho]

Various media outlets now reporting the soldier was an Iraq vet who was being reviewed for PTSD.