Poor kids being discriminated against for no good reason.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Bunch of loser white trash looking for attention. Should have made the cake with cyanide.

Oh c'mon, tell us how you REALLY feel....

[DaddyTorgo]

well really...those are some messed up names. i feel bad for the second girl whose name i can't even fathom pronouncing - the one named after Himmler.

*shrugs* but those are a couple of fucked-up parents.

idk if i'd advocate making the cake with cyanide...but in all honesty, removing the kids from that environment is almost undoubtedly what's best for them in the long run

[DaddyTorgo]

the fark thread hxxp://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=4142835 has some priceless puns on this story.

[JediKooter]

I wonder if they have a cat named Kitler?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

but in all honesty, removing the kids from that environment is almost undoubtedly what's best for them in the long run

In theory, but for the sake of the residents in whereverthehecktheylived (I don't remember which state this was in), I hope the authorities did have some sort of grounds more than not liking their name choices for removing them from the home. Otherwise, the ensuing lawsuit ought to be a real load of fun to watch.

edit to add: Okay, it's New Jersey. "Just to be clear, removal of a child from a family is only done when there's an imminent danger to a child and that wouldn't include the child's name alone," spokeswoman Kate Bernyk said. "We wouldn't remove a child based on their name." You'll have to forgive me if I'm not completely reassured or convinced by that reassurance. Kind of reminds me of hearing the IRS say "we're just here to help", y'know.

[Big Fo]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

I wonder if they have a cat named Kitler?

Just a turkey named Goebbles.

[Buccaneer]

Anyone who thinks that the State should be doing this - with no apparent evidence of child abuse, abandonment, willfull neglect (according to the State) - does not understand civil liberties or is willing to cherry pick those that civil liberties apply to. Hypocrits.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Big Fo

Just a turkey named Goebbles.

Nice one! I hear it likes to eat jelly donitz

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Anyone who thinks that the State should be doing this - with no apparent evidence of child abuse, abandonment, willfull neglect (according to the State) - does not understand civil liberties or is willing to cherry pick those that civil liberties apply to. Hypocrits.

I'd argue that being brought up in an environment like that - what with the Nazi names and, no doubt, the hate they are being exposed to by their parents - constitutes child abuse. And who knows, maybe the kids being taken away had nothing at all to do with their names. Maybe they have been known to the state authorities for some time before the news story on page 1?

[Buccaneer]

Yes, we do not know the details except when they said it wasn't for abuse or the names.

no doubt, the hate they are being exposed to by their parents - constitutes child abuse

Are you ok with that, knowing that "hate" takes many forms and applies to many families?

If it is simply to get them out of a white supremacist household, then that would be a severe violation of civil liberties. But there is more to the story and there has to be specific charges in violation of state laws. Otherwise the justification exists to go after those with the wrong skin color or wrong ethnic names, because you'll always find someone hating them. Personally, I find white supremacy disgusting but if you believe in civil liberties, there has to be laws broken.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

I'd argue that being brought up in an environment like that - what with philosophical stuff I don't agree with - constitutes child abuse.

See, just one little edit & I can just +1 this.

(which I suspect runs pretty close to the point Bucc was making)

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

If it is simply to get them out of a white supremacist household, then that would be a severe violation of civil liberties. But there is more to the story and there has to be specific charges in violation of state laws. Otherwise the justification exists to go after those with the wrong skin color or wrong ethnic names, because you'll always find someone hating them. Personally, I find white supremacy disgusting but if you believe in civil liberties, there has to be laws broken.

Agreed. There needs to be more involved here than simply a white-supremacist/Nazi sympathizer household. And it's quite possible there is.

But if not, the ACLU needs to get involved.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

But if not, the ACLU needs to get involved.

And, to their grudging credit, probably would. Although I always question their motivations for doing so, fair is fair, there's enough precedent that I'd expect them to do so.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And, to their grudging credit, probably would. Although I always question their motivations for doing so, fair is fair, there's enough precedent that I'd expect them to do so.

They've stood up for the rights of the KKK to march in public before, so there's precedent for them to stand up for the civil liberties of those who aren't liberal (despite what conservative critics of the ACLU might have you believe).

This would be right up the ACLU's alley if indeed the state of New Jersey has taken these kids on flimsy legal reasoning.

[Galaxy]

hxxp://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/14/new-jersey-official-we-didnt-take-the-kid-because-hes-named-after-hitler/