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RomaGoth · 07-24-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Why? They are worthy of being fucked specifically here. It's a moronic decision. What, we have to agree with everything they do?

I don't think that was his point. I made it clear in one of my posts that I don't agree with everything they do either, and I was in the military. The point here is that saying "fuck the military" is like taking a shit on all of the people that have ever served and/or died for the freedom we have right now to waste our workday on a message board.

I encourage Sun Tzu to read up on military history, and better yet to take a tour through some of the ships in Pearl Harbor. Also, the tomb of the unknown soldier is pretty intense.

A lot of people died so you could say "fuck the military".

ISiddiqui · 07-24-2008, 12:48 PM

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The point here is that saying "fuck the military" is like taking a shit on all of the people that have ever served and/or died for the freedom we have right now to waste our workday on a message board.

No, it really isn't. It's like taking a shit on the people who made this decision... who do, btw, represent the military in their authority.

I should get all huffy when someone says "Fuck the government" or something similar. Just to see the response.

molson · 07-24-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I don't see people saying that when they exclaim "Fuck the government" or similar sentiments.

Well, if someone says "fuck the government", they're usually not referring to school teachers or firefighters. They're actually usually only referring to the current presidential administration.

Sun Tzu is clearly saying "fuck you" to the entire military. You don't have to agree with everything the military does, but others also have the right to criticize you for making statements like that. Nobody's going to jail over any of these comments.

st.cronin · 07-24-2008, 12:50 PM

Speaking as a veteran, I take molson's point of view. I mean, I'm not that worked up about it, but, unless Sun Tzu wants to clarify his statement, I'm taking it as he just gave me the finger.

ISiddiqui · 07-24-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Well, if someone says "fuck the government", they're usually not referring to school teachers or firefighters. They're actually usually only referring to the current presidential administration.

Sun Tzu is clearly saying "fuck you" to the entire military. You don't have to agree with everything the military does, but others also have the right to criticize you for making statements like that. Nobody's going to jail over any of these comments.

Wait a second. So when someone says "Fuck the government", he's obviously not refering to government workers, but when he's saying "fuck the military" he is obviously saying fuck you to all military personnel?

BULLSHIT. You just want to feel offended and be able to say "fuck the government" as well.

Sun Tzu · 07-24-2008, 12:53 PM

My statement wasn't directed specifically at everybody who served in the Military. Hell my grandfather was a jew who served in WWII. It's moreso at the overall idea that the only way to keep peace is to kill people.

RomaGoth · 07-24-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

No, it really isn't. It's like taking a shit on the people who made this decision... who do, btw, represent the military in their authority.

I should get all huffy when someone says "Fuck the government" or something similar. Just to see the response.

You obviously have never served in the military. The leadership that represents the military is NOT the military. The real military is the men and women out in the fields and the desert and the swamps who are risking their lives every day so we can be free. The leaders, most of them anyway, are so far detached from reality that lumping them with the military is like grouping hollywood stars with mainstream society.

Saying "fuck the military" and/or "fuck the government" are in and of themselves irrelevant statements that offer nothing in a rational debate.

molson · 07-24-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Wait a second. So when someone says "Fuck the government", he's obviously not refering to government workers, but when he's saying "fuck the military" he is obviously saying fuck you to all military personnel?

Exactly.

If Sun Tzu wanted to clarify he could.

It's also important to remember that the government decides what the military does.

rkmsuf · 07-24-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

You obviously have never served in the military. The leadership that represents the military is NOT the military. The real military is the men and women out in the fields and the desert and the swamps who are risking their lives every day so we can be free. The leaders, most of them anyway, are so far detached from reality that lumping them with the military is like grouping hollywood stars with mainstream society.

Saying "fuck the military" and/or "fuck the government" are in and of themselves irrelevant statements that offer nothing in a rational debate.

Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga

st.cronin · 07-24-2008, 12:56 PM

In other words, "fuck militarism."

ISiddiqui · 07-24-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

You obviously have never served in the military. The leadership that represents the military is NOT the military. The real military is the men and women out in the fields and the desert and the swamps who are risking their lives every day so we can be free. The leaders, most of them anyway, are so far detached from reality that lumping them with the military is like grouping hollywood stars with mainstream society.

Saying "fuck the military" and/or "fuck the government" are in and of themselves irrelevant statements that offer nothing in a rational debate.

The leadership is what is representated to the rest of society as "the military". Just as the Cabinet is represented to the rest of society as "the government". Anyone thinking they automatically mean that you are slamming the ordinary soldier or government worker are being stupid, IMO. Or easily offended. In which case, get the panties out of your crotches.

Subby · 07-24-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

My statement wasn't directed specifically at everybody who served in the Military. Hell my grandfather was a jew who served in WWII. It's moreso at the overall idea that the only way to keep peace is to kill people.

Then try saying that in the first place, dumbass.

ISiddiqui · 07-24-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Exactly.

Bullshit.

Fuck all you easily offended types

. Worse than PC liberals.

molson · 07-24-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

BULLSHIT. You just want to feel offended and be able to say "fuck the government" as well.

I actually don't say either because it's a childish way to talk that accomplishes nothing.

Sun Tzu · 07-24-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

In other words, "fuck militarism."

Yes...this is much better.

Fuck Militarism.

molson · 07-24-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Bullshit.

Fuck all you easily offended types

. Worse than PC liberals.

I'm not offended - but I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to express disagreement.

ISiddiqui · 07-24-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I actually don't say either because it's a childish way to talk that accomplishes nothing.

But you are perfectly ok with people saying "fuck the government", as you'd like the rationalize it away in a way inconsistent with how you see "fuck the military".

RomaGoth · 07-24-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

My statement wasn't directed specifically at everybody who served in the Military. Hell my grandfather was a jew who served in WWII. It's moreso at the overall idea that the only way to keep peace is to kill people.

Then come up with something more concrete than "fuck the military". As St.Cronin said, I feel like you just gave all military members, past and present, the finger.

Is there more than one way to keep peace? Of course there is. But when it comes down to kill or be killed, I will choose the former. Some people you just can't reason with. The Nazis. Al-Queda. Just to name a few.

Of course, we could disband our military. But then we would be Canada. (just kidding for you Canadians).

st.cronin · 07-24-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

The leadership is what is representated to the rest of society as "the military". Just as the Cabinet is represented to the rest of society as "the government". Anyone thinking they automatically mean that you are slamming the ordinary soldier or government worker are being stupid, IMO. Or easily offended. In which case, get the panties out of your crotches.

There are plenty of people who say things similar to "fuck the military" who mean "fuck each and every enlisted soldier." I guess you've never met them.

Sun Tzu · 07-24-2008, 01:04 PM

I work in the 'IT' field. If someone said "fuck 'IT'..." I most certainly wouldn't get offended. Sure this is a slightly scaled down analogy, but I think it still works the same way.

RomaGoth · 07-24-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I work in the 'IT' field. If someone said "fuck 'IT'..." I most certainly wouldn't get offended. Sure this is a slightly scaled down analogy, but I think it still works the same way.

Depends on if you risk your life everyday or not. C'mon, seriously?

samifan24 · 07-24-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Why? They are worthy of being fucked specifically here. It's a moronic decision. What, we have to agree with everything they do?

Sure, the Army's decision in the case is stupid. Just because some higher ups make a stupid decision does not justify damning the military as a whole. This single, isolated incident does not negate all the good that our men and women in the military do for us on a daily basis.

Raiders Army · 07-24-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I work in the 'IT' field. If someone said "fuck 'IT'..." I most certainly wouldn't get offended. Sure this is a slightly scaled down analogy, but I think it still works the same way.

Personally I say "fuck it" all the time. My buddy asked me if I wanted to blow off work and get some beers. I said "fuck it" and went.

Please don't get offended.

Greyroofoo · 07-24-2008, 01:10 PM

Just to thread-jack the thread-jack,

Anyone think the Lions could possibly get a compensatory pick for this?

Sun Tzu · 07-24-2008, 01:11 PM

My one and only point is that not every single person who follows the word "fuck" with government, or military, or anything in the same vein is speaking specifically about you. Don't take it personal...unless you want to take it personal. If that's the case, then that's your problem.

Raiders Army · 07-24-2008, 01:12 PM

Sorry, had to get that other post in there before anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

My statement wasn't directed specifically at everybody who served in the Military. Hell my grandfather was a jew who served in WWII. It's moreso at the overall idea that the only way to keep peace is to kill people.

FWIW, you may want to read about SASO and phase IV of MCO. The goals for the military aren't to kill people....conversely, it's about helping the local government.

The military also helps out with natural disasters (Hello Dolly) (National Guard).

ISiddiqui · 07-24-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

No one in the IT field, and to a large degree GOVERNMENT, are making sacrifices and risking their lives for others.

Seriously... what the fuck does that matter? I don't think your organization should be shielded from criticism simply because you risk your life in the military. Good for you and all, but I think, say, working in government helping people is worthy of just as much respect and immunity of criticism.

RomaGoth · 07-24-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Just to thread-jack the thread-jack,

Anyone think the Lions could possibly get a compensatory pick for this?

Let's hope not, Matt Millen would screw that up too.

ISiddiqui · 07-24-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Sure, the Army's decision in the case is stupid. Just because some higher ups make a stupid decision does not justify damning the military as a whole. This single, isolated incident does not negate all the good that our men and women in the military do for us on a daily basis.

Just because some higher ups in the government make a stupid decision does not justify damning the government as a whole. But no one thinks they mean that it does when someone says "Fuck the government" after something like FEMA messing up in Katrina.

RomaGoth · 07-24-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Just because some higher ups in the government make a stupid decision does not justify damning the government as a whole. But no one thinks they mean that it does when someone says "Fuck the government" after something like FEMA messing up in Katrina.

Wouldn't you just say "fuck FEMA" or "fuck the leadership of FEMA" or something to that extent?

BrianD · 07-24-2008, 01:21 PM

I think the real enemy here is laziness. 'Fuck the military'? How about 'fuck the military folks who think we need to start wars to ensure peace'? How about 'fuck the government workers who messed up after Katrina? If you cast a wide net, don't be surprised if you catch more than one fish.

RomaGoth · 07-24-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

My one and only point is that not every single person who follows the word "fuck" with government, or military, or anything in the same vein is speaking specifically about you. Don't take it personal...unless you want to take it personal. If that's the case, then that's your problem.

The problem with our society now is that only certain groups are allowed to take things personally.

In this case, I am taking your comments personally because I am a veteran and served this country. I feel that you dishonored me and everyone else who has been in any branch of military service. I am not taking it personally because I am a pussy, or because I just like to argue. I want something more substantial than "fuck the military" in order to validate how you feel about war and peace and all that good stuff.

ISiddiqui · 07-24-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Wouldn't you just say "fuck FEMA" or "fuck the leadership of FEMA" or something to that extent?

No one really does that. Well, every once in a while they may say "fuck FEMA", but no one says "fuck the leadership of... " unless they a naming someone (like "fuck Brownie")

ISiddiqui · 07-24-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

The problem with our society now is that only certain groups are allowed to take things personally.

In this case, I am taking your comments personally because I am a veteran and served this country. I feel that you dishonored me and everyone else who has been in any branch of military service. I am not taking it personally because I am a pussy, or because I just like to argue. I want something more substantial than "fuck the military" in order to validate how you feel about war and peace and all that good stuff.

Ah... Patriotic Correctness.

Pumpy Tudors · 07-24-2008, 01:25 PM

FUCK MICHIGAN.

I mean FUCK DETROIT.

I mean FUCK DETROIT PRO SPORTS.

I mean FUCK THE DETROIT LIONS.

I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN.

I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN IN HIS BOOTY.

I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN IN HIS BOOTY WITH A HOT WHEELS CAR.

I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN IN HIS BOOTY WITH A RED HOT WHEELS CAR.

rkmsuf · 07-24-2008, 01:27 PM

I prefer the term "make love" to "fuck" or "screw".

Make love to the military.

Karlifornia · 07-24-2008, 01:28 PM

SO LET THE VOICE OF FREEDOM, SING OUT TO THIS LAND

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY

RomaGoth · 07-24-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

FUCK MICHIGAN.

I mean FUCK DETROIT.

I mean FUCK DETROIT PRO SPORTS.

I mean FUCK THE DETROIT LIONS.

I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN.

I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN IN HIS BOOTY.

I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN IN HIS BOOTY WITH A HOT WHEELS CAR.

I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN IN HIS BOOTY WITH A RED HOT WHEELS CAR.

I think he prefers BLUE HOT WHEELS, but not completely sure if that is true.

MikeVic · 07-24-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I prefer the term "make love" to "fuck" or "screw".

Make love to the military.

plow.

Karlifornia · 07-24-2008, 01:29 PM

Fuck the military? Caleb Campbell says it's the other way around

rkmsuf · 07-24-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

plow.

but of course. plowing the military is a big job. couple of generals might prove difficult.

RomaGoth · 07-24-2008, 01:30 PM

This thread has not disappointed.

Sun Tzu · 07-24-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

The problem with our society now is that only certain groups are allowed to take things personally.

In this case, I am taking your comments personally because I am a veteran and served this country. I feel that you dishonored me and everyone else who has been in any branch of military service. I am not taking it personally because I am a pussy, or because I just like to argue. I want something more substantial than "fuck the military" in order to validate how you feel about war and peace and all that good stuff.

Yeah, I got that. That's why I tried to fledge out what I said a little bit. No hard feelings on this side.

ISiddiqui · 07-24-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Fuck the military != criticism

What, you think he's making a proposition?

RomaGoth · 07-24-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Yeah, I got that. That's why I tried to fledge out what I said a little bit. No hard feelings on this side.

None here either. Just watch out for Pumpy. He likes to sneak up behind you with a lighter and a copy of the last season of Golden Girls.

molson · 07-24-2008, 01:41 PM

I think it's worth pointing out that every single person who has posted about thinks the army was wrong for pulling this switch. Nobody's sticking up for the army on this and nobody is trying to say they shouldn't be criticized.

ISiddiqui's trying to turn it into a "immunity from criticism" angle and that's not what this is.

st.cronin · 07-24-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I think it's worth pointing out that every single person who has posted about thinks the army was wrong for pulling this switch. Nobody's sticking up for the army on this and nobody is trying to say they shouldn't be criticized.

ISiddiqui's trying to turn it into a "immunity from criticism" angle and that's not what this is.

Would you please quit trying to defend the army.

Fidatelo · 07-24-2008, 02:13 PM

Can I request that SkyDork change Sun Tzu's name? This is getting ridiculous, it's like someone with the name Gandhi running around saying that the US should be bombing the fuck out of the middle east.

Actually, maybe that should be his new name, Gandhi. Someone needs to make this happen.

Pumpy Tudors · 07-24-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

None here either. Just watch out for Pumpy. He likes to sneak up behind you with a lighter and a copy of the last season of Golden Girls.

Well, Estelle Getty did die this week. Consider it a tribute.

RedKingGold · 07-24-2008, 02:49 PM

Fuck the military.

And if you don't like it, this is an internet message board, so kiss my hairy ass.

07-24-2008, 12:50 PM	#54
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Speaking as a veteran, I take molson's point of view. I mean, I'm not that worked up about it, but, unless Sun Tzu wants to clarify his statement, I'm taking it as he just gave me the finger. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-24-2008, 12:53 PM	#56
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	My statement wasn't directed specifically at everybody who served in the Military. Hell my grandfather was a jew who served in WWII. It's moreso at the overall idea that the only way to keep peace is to kill people. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

07-24-2008, 12:56 PM	#60
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	In other words, "fuck militarism." __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-24-2008, 01:04 PM	#70
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	I work in the 'IT' field. If someone said "fuck 'IT'..." I most certainly wouldn't get offended. Sure this is a slightly scaled down analogy, but I think it still works the same way. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

07-24-2008, 01:11 PM	#75
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	My one and only point is that not every single person who follows the word "fuck" with government, or military, or anything in the same vein is speaking specifically about you. Don't take it personal...unless you want to take it personal. If that's the case, then that's your problem. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

07-24-2008, 01:10 PM	#74
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Just to thread-jack the thread-jack, Anyone think the Lions could possibly get a compensatory pick for this?

07-24-2008, 01:21 PM	#81
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I think the real enemy here is laziness. 'Fuck the military'? How about 'fuck the military folks who think we need to start wars to ensure peace'? How about 'fuck the government workers who messed up after Katrina? If you cast a wide net, don't be surprised if you catch more than one fish.

07-24-2008, 01:25 PM	#85
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	FUCK MICHIGAN. I mean FUCK DETROIT. I mean FUCK DETROIT PRO SPORTS. I mean FUCK THE DETROIT LIONS. I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN. I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN IN HIS BOOTY. I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN IN HIS BOOTY WITH A HOT WHEELS CAR. I mean FUCK MATT MILLEN IN HIS BOOTY WITH A RED HOT WHEELS CAR. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

07-24-2008, 01:27 PM	#86
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I prefer the term "make love" to "fuck" or "screw". Make love to the military. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

07-24-2008, 01:28 PM	#87
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	SO LET THE VOICE OF FREEDOM, SING OUT TO THIS LAND THIS IS OUR COUNTRY __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

07-24-2008, 01:29 PM	#90
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Fuck the military? Caleb Campbell says it's the other way around __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

07-24-2008, 01:41 PM	#96
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I think it's worth pointing out that every single person who has posted about thinks the army was wrong for pulling this switch. Nobody's sticking up for the army on this and nobody is trying to say they shouldn't be criticized. ISiddiqui's trying to turn it into a "immunity from criticism" angle and that's not what this is. Last edited by molson : 07-24-2008 at 01:43 PM.

07-24-2008, 02:13 PM	#98
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	Can I request that SkyDork change Sun Tzu's name? This is getting ridiculous, it's like someone with the name Gandhi running around saying that the US should be bombing the fuck out of the middle east. Actually, maybe that should be his new name, Gandhi. Someone needs to make this happen. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

07-24-2008, 02:49 PM	#100
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Fuck the military. And if you don't like it, this is an internet message board, so kiss my hairy ass. Last edited by RedKingGold : 07-24-2008 at 02:49 PM.

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