MLB: Just how bad are the Nationals? - Page 2

lordscarlet · 05-12-2007, 06:46 AM

Any city will only support a team for so long. I think the Nats are fine for now, but if we don't see any progress from the "build the farm system" plan in the next two years, I think you'll start seeing people leave. There will still be die hards like myself who are the ones that got the team here in teh first place, but there is no base to support if the team has been nothing but low budget the entire time it's been here.

MrBug708 · 05-12-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

MLB: Just how bad are the Cardinals?

And yet still better for letting Jeff Weaver go...

MizzouRah · 05-13-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

And yet still better for letting Jeff Weaver go...

True dat.

What's up with Braden Looper? This guy needed to be a SP or something? Wow...

sterlingice · 05-13-2007, 01:24 PM

I don't get it. Mediocre closer but (so far) good SP? Usually, it's the other way around where a mediocre starter becomes a good closer, once again proving which is much easier, see Joe Nathan, Eric Gagne, Ryan Dempster, etc.

SI

Atocep · 05-13-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I don't get it. Mediocre closer but (so far) good SP? Usually, it's the other way around where a mediocre starter becomes a good closer, once again proving which is much easier, see Joe Nathan, Eric Gagne, Ryan Dempster, etc.

SI

Nathan, Gagne, and Dempster (and most guys that this happens to) have 1 or 2 great pitches, but no secondary stuff. Looper was the opposite, he doesn't have an overpowering pitch, but can throw several pitches over the plate for strikes. His BABIP is around .270 so you can expect it to creep up to the .290-.300 range, but if he can keep his walks down and keep the ball in the park he'll be an above average starter. It'll be interesting to see how much he wears down after the break, though, considering he's never thrown more the 83 innings in the majors.

EDIT: I would have never guessed he'd be anything better than league average as a starter, so this is definitely suprising. Just tossing out a possible reason for him being as good as he's been.

MizzouRah · 05-13-2007, 05:46 PM

Yeay for Looper, too bad the Cardinals hitting sucks.

SFL Cat · 05-13-2007, 08:41 PM

The Nats swept the Marlins and you're bragging?!

MizzouRah · 05-13-2007, 10:09 PM

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The Nats swept the Marlins and you're bragging?!

He's just happy they are not the worst team in the MLB anymore.

I will say, the Cardinals might be there soon.

sterlingice · 05-13-2007, 11:01 PM

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And in other news, the Nats just swept Florida and are now 12-25 and a half game better than KC. That's right, the Nats don't have the worst record in MLB on May 13.

Then it probably was also true on May 12th as the Royals won today.

SI

sterlingice · 06-02-2007, 01:40 PM

I understand the need to be happy over small victories, speaking of which KC snapped a 7 game skid last night and won for the first time at St Pete since 2004. Ugh.

SI

Ksyrup · 06-18-2007, 11:12 AM

Hard to believe this team has been this decent so far. 21-14 over their last 35 games. They're undoubtedly playing over their heads. In the long run, I still don't see much to be optimistic about.

Butter · 06-18-2007, 11:21 AM

The Reds are much, much worse.

JPhillips · 06-18-2007, 04:30 PM

The Nats have been impressive and I think Acta should be a manager of the year candidate, but I still say they aren't close to competing for a playoff spot. They don't have a top five player at any position and all the prospects are in the lower minors.

They have gotten extremely lucky in getting good pitching performances out of guys they didn't think were good enough to be on the big league team. They could still be a one hundred loss team next year.

lordscarlet · 09-05-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

After 35 games the Nats are on pace for 116 losses.

Nats 2007, Not quite historically awful!

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Hard to believe this team has been this decent so far. 21-14 over their last 35 games. They're undoubtedly playing over their heads. In the long run, I still don't see much to be optimistic about.

The Nationals would have to lose every single game remaining to get to 100 losses.

Fighter of Foo · 09-05-2007, 04:24 PM

I had them under 67

lordscarlet · 09-05-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

I had them under 67

Wins or losses?

Karlifornia · 09-05-2007, 08:51 PM

Washington 62 77 .446 16 35-35 27-42
San Francisco 62 77 .446 14.5 33-35 29-42

Washington's payroll: $37,347,500
San Francisco's payroll: $90,469,056

Does.Not.Compute.

Toddzilla · 09-05-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Washington 62 77 .446 16 35-35 27-42
San Francisco 62 77 .446 14.5 33-35 29-42

Washington's payroll: $37,347,500
San Francisco's payroll: $90,469,056

Does.Not.Compute.

Isn't Brian Sabean the Giants GM? Makes perfect sense to me.

lordscarlet · 09-05-2007, 09:21 PM

And now it is impossible for the Nationals to reach 100 losses!

sterlingice · 09-05-2007, 11:13 PM

The Royals are 1 win away from that for the first time since 2003

SI

Karlifornia · 09-05-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Isn't Brian Sabean the Giants GM? Makes perfect sense to me.

A lot of people give Brian Sabean shit because of the Nathan, Liriano, Bonser for Pierzynski trade, which he definitely deserves...but...

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As of July 13, 2007, Sabean owns the ninth-highest winning percentage (.544, 927-777) among all general managers since 1950.

That ain't not bad.

05-13-2007, 01:24 PM	#54
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I don't get it. Mediocre closer but (so far) good SP? Usually, it's the other way around where a mediocre starter becomes a good closer, once again proving which is much easier, see Joe Nathan, Eric Gagne, Ryan Dempster, etc. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

06-02-2007, 01:40 PM	#63
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I understand the need to be happy over small victories, speaking of which KC snapped a 7 game skid last night and won for the first time at St Pete since 2004. Ugh. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 06-02-2007 at 01:41 PM.

06-18-2007, 11:12 AM	#64
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Hard to believe this team has been this decent so far. 21-14 over their last 35 games. They're undoubtedly playing over their heads. In the long run, I still don't see much to be optimistic about. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-18-2007, 11:21 AM	#65
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	The Reds are much, much worse. __________________ My listening habits

06-18-2007, 04:30 PM	#67
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The Nats have been impressive and I think Acta should be a manager of the year candidate, but I still say they aren't close to competing for a playoff spot. They don't have a top five player at any position and all the prospects are in the lower minors. They have gotten extremely lucky in getting good pitching performances out of guys they didn't think were good enough to be on the big league team. They could still be a one hundred loss team next year. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

05-13-2007, 05:46 PM	#56
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Yeay for Looper, too bad the Cardinals hitting sucks.

05-13-2007, 08:41 PM	#58
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	The Nats swept the Marlins and you're bragging?!

09-05-2007, 04:24 PM	#70
Fighter of Foo College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, MA	I had them under 67

09-05-2007, 08:51 PM	#72
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Washington 62 77 .446 16 35-35 27-42 San Francisco 62 77 .446 14.5 33-35 29-42 Washington's payroll: $37,347,500 San Francisco's payroll: $90,469,056 Does.Not.Compute. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

09-05-2007, 09:21 PM	#74
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	And now it is impossible for the Nationals to reach 100 losses! __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

09-05-2007, 11:13 PM	#75
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	The Royals are 1 win away from that for the first time since 2003 SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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