Cheating.....GMac-ing going on! - Page 2

Ksyrup · 10-25-2005, 09:56 AM

From the Primetime forums
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I agree, you have caught me red handed and I shall resign effective immediatley. Here are the keys to my team, it was a good run. Good luck to you all.

and 10 mins later...
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Wait a minute...how am I cheating? If you rookies can explain it in a way that will clearly state that I have cheated in some form or fashion, I will gladly step a side.

My response to this would have been, "Sorry, you already gave me the keys, and now I've locked the doors."

Hoya1 · 10-25-2005, 09:58 AM

One thing I don't understand is, when you release a guy don't you get the "past injustices" blurb when you try to re-sign them?
Does it not work because these guys were never signed to a contract?

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 10:14 AM

So if its NOT GMAC-ing then its RAIDER-GATE!

Raiders Army · 10-25-2005, 10:15 AM

I take offense at coining a negative term at the expense of the Raiders.

QuikSand · 10-25-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoya1

One thing I don't understand is, when you release a guy don't you get the "past injustices" blurb when you try to re-sign them?
Does it not work because these guys were never signed to a contract?

This is a glitch in multi-player. The "past injustuices" logic doesn't seem to kick in until you cut a guy and have that file processed by the central game. So, if you sumit an offer right away, in the same stage you cut the guy, the player considers it.

stevew · 10-25-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoya1

One thing I don't understand is, when you release a guy don't you get the "past injustices" blurb when you try to re-sign them?
Does it not work because these guys were never signed to a contract?

You go into commish mode, release them, and then save, and then open as your team, and its like they never know you cut them.

QuikSand · 10-25-2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

You go into commish mode, release them, and then save, and then open as your team, and its like they never know you cut them.

NO. This is a different cheat. You can do this on your own, no phony sign-in needed. THIS IS A DIFFERENT CHEAT THAN THE GMAC CHEAT.

JeeberD · 10-25-2005, 10:17 AM

Can someone in that league PLEASE point out to raider1 that the point he keeps making, "They were in the free agent pool and everyone had a shot at them" is not vaild because, if Clown2 is correct, he made the contract offers in the EXACT SAME STAGE. He signed them for a discoutned price before anyone else had a shot at them, period.

Warhammer · 10-25-2005, 10:20 AM

I just want to say I am glad this stuff doesn't happen in the leagues I am in.

stevew · 10-25-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

NO. This is a different cheat. You can do this on your own, no phony sign-in needed. THIS IS A DIFFERENT CHEAT THAN THE GMAC CHEAT.

damn, i thought that there was some Gmac-ing going on.

sovereignstar · 10-25-2005, 10:21 AM

da da da da da da da

Wow, it seems quite a few people are versed on the subject matter here. No, you can't just cut a rookie and re-sign the guy in the same stage. Sure, you can from your side of the game (as a GM), but the only thing that will happen when the commish imports is the release.

And if you try and re-sign this guy (without cheating) in a later stage, you'll get the past injustices box.

Passacaglia · 10-25-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Can someone in that league PLEASE point out to raider1 that the point he keeps making, "They were in the free agent pool and everyone had a shot at them" is not vaild because, if Clown2 is correct, he made the contract offers in the EXACT SAME STAGE. He signed them for a discoutned price before anyone else had a shot at them, period.

But the question is -- is Clown2 correct? If so, then the two lines, when he was cut, and when he was signed, should appear one above the other, right?

Hoya1 · 10-25-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Can someone in that league PLEASE point out to raider1 that the point he keeps making, "They were in the free agent pool and everyone had a shot at them" is not vaild because, if Clown2 is correct, he made the contract offers in the EXACT SAME STAGE. He signed them for a discoutned price before anyone else had a shot at them, period.

exactly. This is what makes this cheating. You don't cut a guy, then decide in the same export that I really do want him.

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 10:24 AM

I dont think Raider1 needs a response. He knows what he did.
This is what he wrote me.

Thank you very much for your attempt to call me out on the boards. There was no need for a posting, if you would have asked me I would have explained what I did so that you would understand that what I did was not cheating. Do you really think I need to cheat? Give me a break! You are trying to hang me over late round draft picks that will more then likely be cut after training camp. This will all be resolved over time, it is just unfortunate that you would try to call me out.

_________________
Asst. Commish
Primetime Football League

Oakland Raiders
Vice President / General Manager
2005 PFL Bowl II Champions
2005 AFC Conference Champions
2006 AFC West Division Champions
2005 AFC West Division Champions

Do you see those championships .....those medals your wearing GENERAL
YOU NEVER SERVED IN BATTLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and another thing you did it last year and cut those guys with NO bonus hit.....Raider1 You have NO honor and the reason you died is because God was watching!(in this case the god has a red nose and funny shoes...but he caught you!!

stevew · 10-25-2005, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesUMD

Teams do not cut draft picks that are viable NFL players, so that they can sign them to lower offers. If anything the player would be much more likely to tell the team that drafted him, "due to past injustices, my client refuses to play for your team."

I wish the game had a practice squad. Probably would be a nightmare to implement.

VPI97 · 10-25-2005, 10:24 AM

I wish I could understand how people find it so hard to play the game in a fair manner.

QuikSand · 10-25-2005, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But the question is -- is Clown2 correct? If so, then the two lines, when he was cut, and when he was signed, should appear one above the other, right?

I don't think anyone is arguing that this is an undetectable cheat.

Just that it's a cheat that does indeed get around the "injustices" logic in the game, and theoretically can be used to get cheaper contracts with your players.

Passacaglia · 10-25-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I don't think anyone is arguing that this is an undetectable cheat.

Just that it's a cheat that does indeed get around the "injustices" logic in the game, and theoretically can be used to get cheaper contracts with your players.

I agree. I just don't know if anyone's bothered to actually find out if they happened in the same stage.

sovereignstar · 10-25-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I agree. I just don't know if anyone's bothered to actually find out if they happened in the same stage.

oh really

QuikSand · 10-25-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I agree. I just don't know if anyone's bothered to actually find out if they happened in the same stage.

Explain to me how it happens any other way. If you cut a player, he will refuse to sign with you fr the rest of that year, on "injustices" grounds. If the player is cut by a team and signed by the same team -- there's only one way we know of that gets around that game logic -- and it's this cheat. Cut, offer, export -- guy takes a new deal before anyone else gets any chance to sign him. CHEAT.

PackerFanatic · 10-25-2005, 10:33 AM

I would assume that, unlike GMac's cheat, both transactions would show up (the release and the resign) That is a clearcut cheat (maybe not as a bad as going into commish mode, but still stupid)

Passacaglia · 10-25-2005, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Explain to me how it happens any other way. If you cut a player, he will refuse to sign with you fr the rest of that year, on "injustices" grounds. If the player is cut by a team and signed by the same team -- there's only one way we know of that gets around that game logic -- and it's this cheat. Cut, offer, export -- guy takes a new deal before anyone else gets any chance to sign him. CHEAT.

Right...makes sense now.

Raiders Army · 10-25-2005, 10:45 AM

I have no idea why some people try to figure out exploits or cheats like this. Then again, I don't play multiplayer...actually not much FOF at all any more.

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 10:46 AM

weeks 1-3 after draft the person cut and signed his 3 rookies in the same export
There is Proof of this....
The Question we ask is why did he offer the league minimum for 2 players but the WR he offered 300,000 did he know what the WR would accept?
#2 He did this last year, he also cuts these 'last year players', with no Bonus HIT but a honest player like myself cuts a rookie after signing them after the draft gets a bonus hit.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE HE IS SAVING CAP MONEY----AND WERE NOT !!!
CHEAT STEAL AND SAVE!!!!
RAIDER-GATE GRIPS THE FRONT OFFICE FOOTBALL NATION!

sachmo71 · 10-25-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

oh really

oh really?

gottimd · 10-25-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

oh really?

Really, oh?

sachmo71 · 10-25-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Clown2

I dont think Raider1 needs a response. He knows what he did.
This is what he wrote me.

Thank you very much for your attempt to call me out on the boards. There was no need for a posting, if you would have asked me I would have explained what I did so that you would understand that what I did was not cheating. Do you really think I need to cheat? Give me a break! You are trying to hang me over late round draft picks that will more then likely be cut after training camp. This will all be resolved over time, it is just unfortunate that you would try to call me out.

_________________
Asst. Commish
Primetime Football League

Oakland Raiders
Vice President / General Manager
2005 PFL Bowl II Champions
2005 AFC Conference Champions
2006 AFC West Division Champions
2005 AFC West Division Champions

Do you see those championships .....those medals your wearing GENERAL
YOU NEVER SERVED IN BATTLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and another thing you did it last year and cut those guys with NO bonus hit.....Raider1 You have NO honor and the reason you died is because God was watching!(in this case the god has a red nose and funny shoes...but he caught you!!

please don't drag 'The Almighty®' into this. Next thing you know, we'll be hearing about this from a schoolbus driver.

Raiders Army · 10-25-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

Really, oh?

Really, G

JasonC23 · 10-25-2005, 10:48 AM

This is a very dramatic thread.

sachmo71 · 10-25-2005, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

Really, oh?

[shrek]

Really, really.

[/shrek]

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 10:56 AM

ALMIGHTY CLOWN! don't see no bus Driver?
i was quoting

Galaxy · 10-25-2005, 11:08 AM

I think I'm gonna go eat a Big Mac.

sachmo71 · 10-25-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Clown2

ALMIGHTY CLOWN! don't see no bus Driver?
i was quoting

Probably because the bus driver doesn't exist. Like god.

monte_mcguire · 10-25-2005, 11:24 AM

Crap! PRIMETIME has locked the posts, so now I can't post anymore!!!!

Raider wants to stay because he started the league. Weak.
This is the "It's my ball and I'm going home" mentality

Poli · 10-25-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonC23

This is a very dramatic thread.

I told you this thread had possibilities.

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 11:26 AM

raider1 wrote:
Look, there is really no reason to argue over this. Apparently what I have done has upset some people so I will stop doing it. I hope that you will understand that I was not trying to cheat or gain anything from this. To be honest it really bothers me that you would not want me to stay in the league. I helped Justin form this league earlier this year and have devoted countless hours to it. I was in another league at the same time as this one and actually left over an issue in which my principals were being questioned. My goal was to help just start a league that was fun, where everyone could just be themselves and enjoy the game. As I said, I will cut the players in an effort to make things right.

monte_mcguire · 10-25-2005, 11:27 AM

If he really wanted to make it right he would resign like a man. At least GMAC went out with some class.

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Clown2

raider1 wrote:
Look, there is really no reason to argue over this. Apparently what I have done has upset some people so I will stop doing it. I hope that you will understand that I was not trying to cheat or gain anything from this. To be honest it really bothers me that you would not want me to stay in the league. I helped Justin form this league earlier this year and have devoted countless hours to it. I was in another league at the same time as this one and actually left over an issue in which my principals were being questioned. My goal was to help just start a league that was fun, where everyone could just be themselves and enjoy the game. As I said, I will cut the players in an effort to make things right.

1. I want the 400,000 dollars the other 4th rounders got.(You never Paid)

2. I want the bonus money you cheated the league out of last year!

3. I want you to acknowledge NO ONE even saw let alone got a chance to sign your 3 guys you cut and resigned this year.

4. I want you to acknowledge you cut and signed 3draft picks last year, not paying bonus dollars to any of them.

5. I want you to acknowledge you Cheated.

6. I want the League to calculate how much bonus money you cheated the league out of the last 3 years.

7. I want you to give up your championship title.

8. I want you to no longer be the #2 commish.

QuikSand · 10-25-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Clown2

raider1 wrote:
Look, there is really no reason to argue over this. Apparently what I have done has upset some people so I will stop doing it. I hope that you will understand that I was not trying to cheat or gain anything from this. (THEN WHY DO IT? - ed.) To be honest it really bothers me that you would not want me to stay in the league. I helped Justin form this league earlier this year and have devoted countless hours to it. I was in another league at the same time as this one and actually left over an issue in which my principals (sic) were being questioned. (GOOD ARGUMENT - I CHEATED SOMEWHERE ELSE, DON'T KICK ME OUT OF THIS LEAGUE TOO!) My goal was to help just start a league that was fun, where everyone could just be themselves (sic) (I AM A CHEATER AND AM JUST BEING MYSELF) and enjoy the game. As I said, I will cut the players in an effort to make things right. (I THINK THIS IS ENOUGH PUNISHMENT, DON'T YOU NOW?)

This is funny on many levels. My emphases and commentary added.

VPI97 · 10-25-2005, 11:42 AM

That guy is a tool.

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 11:42 AM

I AM NOT A CROOK

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 11:43 AM

ANYONE WANT 2 HONEST CLOWNS IN THEIR LEAGUE?

PackerFanatic · 10-25-2005, 11:44 AM

lol...this thread is very interesting. I am so confused, lol.

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 12:05 PM

"How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." - Abraham Lincoln.

korme · 10-25-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

I just want to say I am glad this stuff doesn't happen in the leagues I am in.

That's so true.

Then again.. VPI did make the championship game in the very first year of GEFL... uh-oh!

korme · 10-25-2005, 12:08 PM

BTW, someone link me to the "Gmac Scandal". I have never even heard of it yet everyone knows about it but me.

wade moore · 10-25-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

BTW, someone link me to the "Gmac Scandal". I have never even heard of it yet everyone knows about it but me.

what rock you been living under?

PackerFanatic · 10-25-2005, 12:15 PM

Haha, no kidding!

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ad.php?t=43507

Clown2 · 10-25-2005, 12:21 PM

"The great masses of the people . . . will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one." --Adolph Hitler

korme · 10-25-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

what rock you been living under?

Suicane's ass is HUGE

10-25-2005, 10:14 AM	#53
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	All old people do NOT STEAL Uncle Leo! So if its NOT GMAC-ing then its RAIDER-GATE!

10-25-2005, 10:17 AM	#58
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Can someone in that league PLEASE point out to raider1 that the point he keeps making, "They were in the free agent pool and everyone had a shot at them" is not vaild because, if Clown2 is correct, he made the contract offers in the EXACT SAME STAGE. He signed them for a discoutned price before anyone else had a shot at them, period. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

10-25-2005, 10:24 AM	#64
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	I am correct! I dont think Raider1 needs a response. He knows what he did. This is what he wrote me. Thank you very much for your attempt to call me out on the boards. There was no need for a posting, if you would have asked me I would have explained what I did so that you would understand that what I did was not cheating. Do you really think I need to cheat? Give me a break! You are trying to hang me over late round draft picks that will more then likely be cut after training camp. This will all be resolved over time, it is just unfortunate that you would try to call me out. _________________ Asst. Commish Primetime Football League Oakland Raiders Vice President / General Manager 2005 PFL Bowl II Champions 2005 AFC Conference Champions 2006 AFC West Division Champions 2005 AFC West Division Champions Do you see those championships .....those medals your wearing GENERAL YOU NEVER SERVED IN BATTLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and another thing you did it last year and cut those guys with NO bonus hit.....Raider1 You have NO honor and the reason you died is because God was watching!(in this case the god has a red nose and funny shoes...but he caught you!!

10-25-2005, 10:24 AM	#66
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	I wish I could understand how people find it so hard to play the game in a fair manner. __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

10-25-2005, 10:33 AM	#71
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I would assume that, unlike GMac's cheat, both transactions would show up (the release and the resign) That is a clearcut cheat (maybe not as a bad as going into commish mode, but still stupid) __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-25-2005, 09:58 AM	#52
Hoya1 High School JV Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario	One thing I don't understand is, when you release a guy don't you get the "past injustices" blurb when you try to re-sign them? Does it not work because these guys were never signed to a contract?

10-25-2005, 10:15 AM	#54
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I take offense at coining a negative term at the expense of the Raiders.

10-25-2005, 10:20 AM	#59
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	I just want to say I am glad this stuff doesn't happen in the leagues I am in.

10-25-2005, 10:21 AM	#61
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	da da da da da da da Wow, it seems quite a few people are versed on the subject matter here. No, you can't just cut a rookie and re-sign the guy in the same stage. Sure, you can from your side of the game (as a GM), but the only thing that will happen when the commish imports is the release. And if you try and re-sign this guy (without cheating) in a later stage, you'll get the past injustices box.

10-25-2005, 10:45 AM	#73
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I have no idea why some people try to figure out exploits or cheats like this. Then again, I don't play multiplayer...actually not much FOF at all any more.

10-25-2005, 10:46 AM	#74
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	RAIDER-GATE GRIPS THE NATION weeks 1-3 after draft the person cut and signed his 3 rookies in the same export There is Proof of this.... The Question we ask is why did he offer the league minimum for 2 players but the WR he offered 300,000 did he know what the WR would accept? #2 He did this last year, he also cuts these 'last year players', with no Bonus HIT but a honest player like myself cuts a rookie after signing them after the draft gets a bonus hit. PLAIN AND SIMPLE HE IS SAVING CAP MONEY----AND WERE NOT !!! CHEAT STEAL AND SAVE!!!! RAIDER-GATE GRIPS THE FRONT OFFICE FOOTBALL NATION! Last edited by Clown2 : 10-25-2005 at 10:47 AM.

10-25-2005, 10:48 AM	#79
JasonC23 High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Huntley, IL, USA	This is a very dramatic thread. __________________ "I'm A god. I'm not THE God...I don't think." Bill Murray, Groundhog Day

10-25-2005, 10:56 AM	#81
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	ALMIGHTY CLOWN! don't see no bus Driver? i was quoting Last edited by Clown2 : 10-25-2005 at 11:11 AM.

10-25-2005, 11:08 AM	#82
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	I think I'm gonna go eat a Big Mac.

10-25-2005, 11:24 AM	#84
monte_mcguire n00b Join Date: Aug 2005	Crap! PRIMETIME has locked the posts, so now I can't post anymore!!!! Raider wants to stay because he started the league. Weak. This is the "It's my ball and I'm going home" mentality

10-25-2005, 11:26 AM	#86
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	raider1 wrote: Look, there is really no reason to argue over this. Apparently what I have done has upset some people so I will stop doing it. I hope that you will understand that I was not trying to cheat or gain anything from this. To be honest it really bothers me that you would not want me to stay in the league. I helped Justin form this league earlier this year and have devoted countless hours to it. I was in another league at the same time as this one and actually left over an issue in which my principals were being questioned. My goal was to help just start a league that was fun, where everyone could just be themselves and enjoy the game. As I said, I will cut the players in an effort to make things right.

10-25-2005, 11:27 AM	#87
monte_mcguire n00b Join Date: Aug 2005	If he really wanted to make it right he would resign like a man. At least GMAC went out with some class.

10-25-2005, 11:42 AM	#90
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	That guy is a tool. __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

10-25-2005, 11:43 AM	#92
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	ANYONE WANT 2 HONEST CLOWNS IN THEIR LEAGUE?

10-25-2005, 11:44 AM	#93
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	lol...this thread is very interesting. I am so confused, lol. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-25-2005, 12:05 PM	#94
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	"How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." - Abraham Lincoln.

10-25-2005, 12:08 PM	#96
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	BTW, someone link me to the "Gmac Scandal". I have never even heard of it yet everyone knows about it but me.

10-25-2005, 12:15 PM	#98
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Haha, no kidding! http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ad.php?t=43507 __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-25-2005, 12:21 PM	#99
Clown2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005	"The great masses of the people . . . will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one." --Adolph Hitler

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