NFL Playoffs: Divisional Round

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

I've been avoiding the news the past few days...what did he do/say?

Claimed that after watching tape, he felt that the better team lost.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Claimed that after watching tape, he felt that the better team lost.

Must have been watching tape from the first regular season Giants / Dallas game.

[sabotai]

The full quote is "After looking at the tape, I feel like the best team lost the game. I thought we outplayed them."

[JeeberD]

Wade needs to shut the hell up and work on teaching his players how to tackle, catch the ball, and pass block. If we had done those three things, we probably would have won easily.

Sucks how slacking on the basics comes back to bite you in the ass.

[molson]

Originally Posted by sabotai

The full quote is "After looking at the tape, I feel like the best team lost the game. I thought we outplayed them."

So he's basically admitting the coaching sucked?

[Loren]

Soooo the man refuses to post and help a girl out.. does ANYONE know where I could find a Ryan Grant jersey I've looked online everywhere and can't find one except ebay which will take too long to buy and get mailed out..doesnt anyone live in WISCONSIN, im DESPERATE
and I hope a ginormous stampede of cows runs over Wade he's an idiot
Loren

[st.cronin]

Does anybody have good knowledge of Rivers, LDT, and Gates health? What exactly is wrong with them, and how limited are they likely to be?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Loren

Soooo the man refuses to post and help a girl out.. does ANYONE know where I could find a Ryan Grant jersey I've looked online everywhere and can't find one except ebay which will take too long to buy and get mailed out..doesnt anyone live in WISCONSIN, im DESPERATE
and I hope a ginormous stampede of cows runs over Wade he's an idiot
Loren

If you can't find one anywhere, you can try out nflshop.com and choose a customizable jersey. I believe it lets you pick which player on the team you want and it will let you buy a jersey with that name and number.

Hope that helps!

[Groundhog]

Earlier today I read:

Rivers - Knee injury, and is Questionable, though closer to doubtful than probable.
LDT - Knee as well, is Probable.
Gates - Toe injury, almost certainly.

[st.cronin]

So LDT and Gates will play at <100% and Rivers likely will not? Is that the consensus?

[Lathum]

welcome back Loren

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

So LDT and Gates will play at <100% and Rivers likely will not? Is that the consensus?

Yeah, looked at a couple of sites and that's the consensus today at least.

[Grammaticus]

I'm guessing Rivers will play. He may not stay in the game long, but I bet he plays.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Originally Posted by sabotai

The full quote is "After looking at the tape, I feel like the best team lost the game. I thought we outplayed them."

Terrible coaching right there. That's classic on how not to motivate your team. So next season, what does he say to them "oh you're so good, it was just unlucky we didn't win?"

No, instead you talk about how your team screwed up and if guys come out at the start of the season like they did in the Giants game, he'll cut their ass in a second. He can't do that now because he's already said in essence that the team played well.

Jerry Jones deserved exactly what he got.

Anyways, judging from the tape I saw, it was clear to me that the Giants outplayed the Cowboys in the second half. Unfortunately, Wade decided to look at just the first half tape. Seriously though, what upper tier coach would ever be caught saying something like that.

[rkmsuf]

Big surprise Wade is a lousy coach. What exactly does he do besides get Jerry Jones coffee? Loved how Jones was standing right next to him in the closing minutes of the game.


Going to be hurricane force winds at gillette sunday. Two wind games this year for the Pats were horrible. Could be a concern.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Big surprise Wade is a lousy coach. What exactly does he do besides get Jerry Jones coffee? Loved how Jones was standing right next to him in the closing minutes of the game.

WTF was up with that? I can't say that I have never seen anything like that. Owners on the sidelines? I can't say I like it but hey I can deal with it. Owners standing right next to eh head coach in the last two minutes of a game? Hell no!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

WTF was up with that? I can't say that I have never seen anything like that. Owners on the sidelines? I can't say I like it but hey I can deal with it. Owners standing right next to eh head coach in the last two minutes of a game? Hell no!

Maybe I am wrong about this, but I could swear I remember Jerry Jones doing this for years, or at least I thought I remembered the local talk radio making a huge deal about it when I lived in Dallas back in the late 90s...

Maybe I am just getting senile though, but I could have sworn that this isn't anything new..

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Maybe I am wrong about this, but I could swear I remember Jerry Jones doing this for years, or at least I thought I remembered the local talk radio making a huge deal about it when I lived in Dallas back in the late 90s...

Maybe I am just getting senile though, but I could have sworn that this isn't anything new..

Well I am pretty sure he was not standing next to Bill Parcells at the end of the game last year in Seattle.

I know he is on the sidelines a lot. But everytime I have ever seen him he has been sort of away from the team until the game was well in hand in favor of the Cowboys. Sunday, he could have hand signaled the plays in to Romo.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Terrible coaching right there. That's classic on how not to motivate your team. So next season, what does he say to them "oh you're so good, it was just unlucky we didn't win?"

Jerry Jones deserved exactly what he got.

Anyways, judging from the tape I saw, it was clear to me that the Giants outplayed the Cowboys in the second half. Unfortunately, Wade decided to look at just the first half tape. Seriously though, what upper tier coach would ever be caught saying something like that.

That is what you get for hiring Wade Phillips. He is a poor coach who was 0 and 3 in the playoffs. 0 and 4 should not be a surprise. I think Jones picked him up because Wade has as history of being a wuss and at 60 he is only getting more wussified. Jones knows Wade will do whatever Jones wants without putting up a fight.

I think Jones was looking for a scenario like he had with Barry Switzer. Someone who would come in and take a team that a better man built and steer it across the finish line on his knees in front of JJ.

[JeeberD]

Jerry's almost ALWAYS on the sideline by the fourth quarter. Nothing new at all...

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Jerry's almost ALWAYS on the sideline by the fourth quarter. Nothing new at all...

Not standing right next to the head coach. How embarassing.

[JeeberD]

He's done that plenty of times...

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

He's done that plenty of times...

don't you find it a little demeaning to the coach?

[JeeberD]

Meh. He owns the team. He owns the stadium. He can stand wherever he wants to.

[JeeberD]

Dola-

I've probably just become desensitized to Jerry's meddling. it used to piss me off, not so much anymore...

[molson]

Tony Dungy is hugely overrated. He got fired in Tampa Bay primarily because of his performance in the playoffs, and in Indianapolis, he has arguably been worse in that regard, considering the talent there.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by molson

Tony Dungy is hugely overrated. He got fired in Tampa Bay primarily because of his performance in the playoffs, and in Indianapolis, he has arguably been worse in that regard, considering the talent there.

Corpse of Lombardi could win 12 or 13 games with that team.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by molson

Tony Dungy is hugely overrated. He got fired in Tampa Bay primarily because of his performance in the playoffs, and in Indianapolis, he has arguably been worse in that regard, considering the talent there.

Overrated when compared to which current coach?

[molson]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Overrated when compared to which current coach?

I don't think "overrated" implies a comparison with any other coach, but since you asked, I'd say he's the most overrated coach in the entire NFL. Not the worst coach, but definitely the most overrated.

The media is absolutely in love with him, I'm guessing because he's so nice to them.

[jeff061]

I hate Dungy, preachy high horsed asshole he is. Not sure I'd call him overrated though. He was told to win with all his money in Manning and co. Easier said than done.

[Passacaglia]

I can only hope the PA system started playing "Don't Stand so Close to Me"

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by molson

I don't think "overrated" implies a comparison with any other coach, but since you asked, I'd say he's the most overrated coach in the entire NFL. Not the worst coach, but definitely the most overrated.

I'm guessing this is Patriots bias talking .

I really don't consider Dungy to be overrated at all. Now Gruden, he's incredibly overrated. I mean Dungy is bring Tampa Bay along, but the GM doesn't really give him any QB's that can throw worth a crap. Then Gruden comes in and suddenly, they get Brad Johnson cheap, and a slightly above average QB can take the team to a SuperBowl win. Yet, people think Chucky just was a better coach... BS.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by molson

I don't think "overrated" implies a comparison with any other coach, but since you asked, I'd say he's the most overrated coach in the entire NFL. Not the worst coach, but definitely the most overrated.

The media is absolutely in love with him, I'm guessing because he's so nice to them.

I disagree. In order for him to be overrated, he has to first be rated, no? For example, if I rate Dungy higher then Belichek, then yes he is overrated. If I rated him lower than Tony Sparano, then he is underrated. Here are the coaches I believe are rated higher than Dungy no particular order by the media and the general football public.

Bill Belichek

Jeff Fisher

Mike Shanahan

Andy Reid

John Fox- though he has slipped this year but I don't think he is viewed as being below Dungy

Jon Gruden

Mike Holmgren

I think most people would put Dungy next after that group.

[molson]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I disagree. In order for him to be overrated, he has to first be rated, no? For example, if I rate Dungy higher then Belichek, then yes he is overrated. If I rated him lower than Tony Sparano, then he is underrated. Here are the coaches I believe are rated higher than Dungy no particular order by the media and the general football public.

Bill Belichek

Jeff Fisher

Mike Shanahan

Andy Reid

John Fox- though he has slipped this year but I don't think he is viewed as being below Dungy

Jon Gruden

Mike Holmgren

I think most people would put Dungy next after that group.

OK, I see your point.

I perceived Dungy to be ranked overall (by media and fans from my experience) as the #2 coach in the NFL. Part of that is my anti-Colt bias, (and that I get annoyed when I hear about him, so I notice it more)

I hope he stays, because overall, the Pats have handled Dungy's Colts. I do feel the momentum could shift with a better coach.

[Kodos]

What coach that is available is better than Dungy?

[miami_fan]

The more I look at the current crop of head coaches, the more I wonder about the super genius assistant coach getting their first head coaching job.

Remember how brilliant some of these guys were when they were assistants?

Marvin Lewis
Gary Kubiak
Scott Linehan
Mike Nolan
Ken Wisenhunt
John Fox

All have time to get better, All, except Lewis and Fox, probably have not been head coaches long enough to be given a fair judgement. But based on the hype when they were hired, you would have believed that one of them would have won a SB by now.

[bhlloy]

Different league, but don't forget Charlie Weis in there as well. Also Norv Turner (although I guess he's redeemed himself this year somewhat) and Gregg Williams spring to mind. HC is definitely a completely different kettle of fish to being a great co-ordinator.

[ISiddiqui]

John Fox hasn't been that bad though. He did get his team to a SuperBowl. And unlike some of the hot shot coordinators, his team's strength is on what he was a coordinator for (defense) .

And Hell, Whisenhunt went 8-8 with the Cardinals. That's their best record SINCE 1998! Yeah, they've been that bad. So he's actually been very successful so far.

And, of course, everyone knows the Bengals were an absolute mess before Marvin Lewis got there. I mean his teams are usually around .500, but that's actually very good compared to the late 90s, early 00s.