Civilization 4 - Page 13

vex · 10-27-2005, 07:15 PM

woooo! Works on the laptop....Now, time to leave for a few hours

Samdari · 10-27-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

I'm not one bit confused. As is normally the case, I was very specific, and said precisely what I meant to say.

I did not say you misspoke, I said you were mistaken in your belief that what you would do is what any sane person would do. Contrary to your perception, the two are not necesarily the same.

Mr. Wednesday · 10-27-2005, 08:04 PM

Sensible is such a subjective word, though... I'm sure SkyDog defines it such that a sensible person would do what he would do.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-27-2005, 09:01 PM

Is anyone else having a difficult time finding the game? I went to three stores in the Baton Rouge area today and they were all sold out

Godzilla Blitz · 10-27-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

this may or may not be a bad thing...it may indicate that the AI isnt actually aware of everything going on in your country. i always got the feeling from the higher levels on civ3 that the computer was always aware of my troop strenghs in various cities, because they would alway stop their invasion short of my strongly defended points.

Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps at the level I'm playing at, the AI can't see inside my cities like I can see inside his? For me, I can see exactly what units the Russians have to defend their cities with from two or more squares away. Maybe at the Warlord/Noble level that I'm playing at, the human has an advantage in this regard.

That would explain the stupid moves by their settler as well, and perhaps even their lack of response to my raiders, although that one seems to be a bit off no matter what angle I look at it from.

twothree: Thank you! I'll give that a try. I looked on the keyboard guide and in the manual, but didn't see anything there. I'll take a look at the online help later tonight.

SackAttack · 10-27-2005, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Is anyone else having a difficult time finding the game? I went to three stores in the Baton Rouge area today and they were all sold out

I went to three stores locally with no luck, but ended up driving the extra four miles to Best Buy to snag it once my philosophy test ended.

Passacaglia · 10-27-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bee

Sounds like there might be a fix for the renderer problem

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...9&pagenumber=1

Thanks. It still didn't work for me, though. Not a big deal, since I want to run it on my desktop more anyway, which gets the black-squares instead of terrain problem. SkyDog, did you ever get that one beat?

jbmagic · 10-27-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Is anyone else having a difficult time finding the game? I went to three stores in the Baton Rouge area today and they were all sold out

try circuit city

dixieflatline · 10-27-2005, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

Early Impression:

The single-player game offers much-improved artificial intelligence that seems to cheat much less than in previous games, or not at all.

p. 167 under "AI freebies"

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On higher difficulty levels, the AI begins receiving extra units to start the game

There is a bunch more free/quicker stuff the AI gets on higher levels listed on that page. This is what I define as "cheating". If you don't feel it's cheating then that's fine we just have different definitions. But it's clear that as you move up in difficulty it's this that makes the game harder. Not "better" AI.

dixieflatline · 10-28-2005, 12:03 AM

So the game crashed on me tonight when I had built a wonder. The pop-up started and the game crashed. I went beck to the autosave the turn before and it kept crashing. I tried a bunch of things and what ended up working was updating the driver on my video card. I just guessed at that from reading this thread about how much others were having trouble with the video card. Anyway, in case you game crashes randomly when a pop up happens something to check out.

Galaxy · 10-28-2005, 12:12 AM

Anyone try online?

SackAttack · 10-28-2005, 12:18 AM

Not yet, but I want to.

jbmagic · 10-28-2005, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dixieflatline

p. 167 under "AI freebies"

There is a bunch more free/quicker stuff the AI gets on higher levels listed on that page. This is what I define as "cheating". If you don't feel it's cheating then that's fine we just have different definitions. But it's clear that as you move up in difficulty it's this that makes the game harder. Not "better" AI.

more questions and answers can be found here
http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/...?tid=206&tid=11

Quote:

1. The Civ4 AI - by Skyshadow
My only question for Civ4 concerns the AI: Have you made it a crafty enough opponent yet that it can compete at the higher skill levels of the game without resorting to the "cheating" that we've seen in previous incarnations of the game? If so, how?

Soren Johnson:
A great deal of effort has been put into making the Civ IV AI the best yet. For the first time ever, we have received direct input from the world's best Civ players during the game's development, via a very selective, closed beta that began very early. This feedback allowed us to iterate on the AI's design much more quickly and effectively than ever before.

Much of the information cheating has been removed from the game (such as knowing where a resource is before it is discovered, sending off galleys with settlers to undiscovered lands, targeting cities with fewer defenders, etc.) Further, the heuristics it uses to make decisions, such as for diplomatic demands and declarations of war, are the same ones available to the player (such as from the power chart on the Demographics screen). However, as with all versions of Civ, the AI has production and research penalties at the lower levels and bonuses at the higher levels. The level of the bonuses are lower than they have ever been before; in fact, the AI never receives any bonuses whatsoever for building wonders - a far cry from the "free AI wonders" in Civ 1. Noble and Prince are the difficulty levels where the AI's rules are closest to the human

Godzilla Blitz · 10-28-2005, 02:11 AM

Well, it's 2AM and here I am again, second night in a row. Yikes, I'll be sleepy at work tomorrow.

This game rocks.

And by the way, the AI seems very good at picking effective promotions for its units. I've taken all the Russians cities except for Moscow, but they have six armies of longbowmen specially trained for urban combat and two armies of spearmen to cut up my knights.

The Russians' last stand looks to be heroic. But I shall take their capital, no matter the cost. It will be mine! Our cities are building massive catapults to pound it to rubble. Then we'll send crossbowmen to wear them down more. Finally, waves of knights will roll over anything left standing. Russia shall fall.

KWhit · 10-28-2005, 08:05 AM

Has anyone found the game for less than $49-$50?

Bee · 10-28-2005, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Has anyone found the game for less than $49-$50?

I talked to a buddy of mine in California last night and he picked it up at Fry's for around $40. (Don't remember if he said it was $37 or $39).

KWhit · 10-28-2005, 08:49 AM

I usually wait until a big price drop to get a game (I'm just now playing Half-Life 2 and Far Cry) but I'd like to get in on the inevitable FOFC multi-player games that will be happening before long.

Butter · 10-28-2005, 09:05 AM

So I picked up a new video card, and it works... but it's still painfully slooooooowwww, as I only got a 64 MB RAM video card... I'm thinking about taking this card back and picking up an even better one I found elsewhere for about the same price that is 128 MB, and buying some more RAM (I have 512 MB right now)... all based on what my wife will be telling me about the game today. I tweaked a couple of things this morning to try and coax it to run a bit better... but my God, they went a bit overboard with the graphics on this one.

I did put in a 2 hour session last night, and didn't see where you could change how many Civs you were up against in a single player game, so I've got 9 opposing Civs on a HUGE map... is the number of opposing Civs in a single player game always static based on map size, or did I miss an options screen or something?

twothree · 10-28-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

is the number of opposing Civs in a single player game always static based on map size, or did I miss an options screen or something?

From the Main Menu select Single Player, then select Custom Game instead of Play Now.

vex · 10-28-2005, 10:30 AM

So that no one misses the FOFC multiplayer signup:

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ad.php?t=44005

Butter · 10-28-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by twothree

From the Main Menu select Single Player, then select Custom Game instead of Play Now.

Thanks!

Calis · 10-28-2005, 10:49 AM

Sigh.

Just picked this up, this makes 4 games I've bought in the last two weeks, where I had gone a good number of months without getting one previously.

Of course now is also when I have the least amount of time to actually play games. It makes no sense. It's Civilization though, I couldn't stop myself. Life can wait.

Buccaneer · 10-28-2005, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Calis

Sigh.

Just picked this up, this makes 4 games I've bought in the last two weeks, where I had gone a good number of months without getting one previously.

Of course now is also when I have the least amount of time to actually play games. It makes no sense. It's Civilization though, I couldn't stop myself. Life can wait.

Same here. I spent over $750 on bb cards this week and so I wasn't going to skimp on paying $50 for a game. I just hope that I can be enthusiastic to play any games which I haven't been for a good part of the year.

jbmagic · 10-28-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Has anyone found the game for less than $49-$50?

yes circuit city this week has it for 49.99 but you get a $10 gift card with it.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-28-2005, 08:27 PM

I just brought Civilization IV home. I'm not sure if I'm going to install it tonight or not.

jbmagic · 10-28-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I just brought Civilization IV home. I'm not sure if I'm going to install it tonight or not.

but the AI will love you if you do

Airhog · 10-28-2005, 08:35 PM

Oh believe me, you will install it. Then you will play it until about 2am

Pumpy Tudors · 10-28-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

but the AI will love you if you do

Well played.

Airhog · 10-28-2005, 08:42 PM

Just play the tutorial

Pumpy Tudors · 10-28-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Airhog

Just play the tutorial

NO. NO. I will be up until 2am!!

Eilim · 10-28-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

NO. NO. I will be up until 2am!!

and thats on the conservative side.

Don't forget to toggle on the clock... and alarm, if needed.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-28-2005, 10:35 PM

Thankfully, I don't have to get up very early tomorrow. I can get up as late as about 11:30 and still get my tasks done for the day. I need to be at the bank by noon, I'll be at a football game at 1:00 if the weather is nice, and then there's bowling at midnight. I could nap after the football game if necessary. I'm still thinking about it.

If anybody's wondering which football game, it's just the showdown between the NAIA doormat Seton Hill Griffins (1-7) and the Division II Charleston (WV) Golden Eagles (6-3). Go Griffins!

(we don't stand a chance)

vex · 10-28-2005, 11:50 PM

Can you not abandon a city?

Mr. Wednesday · 10-30-2005, 09:49 PM

Does the collector's edition shown for ordering on outpost.com include the game, or is it just the extras? (I'd presume the former, but I'd like to make sure before I order.)

Bonegavel · 10-30-2005, 09:59 PM

i was told by the guy at EB that the collectors edition is simply the normal game in a cool box. Nothing extra (except the box) and was only available to pre-order folks.

ISiddiqui · 10-30-2005, 10:48 PM

Well the Special Edition has the CivIV Soundtrack, a spiral bound manual, a tech tree poster, and a keyboard shortcut poster. Not sure what the Regular Edition has.

And yes, of course, the game (why wouldn't it include the game?).

Mr. Wednesday · 10-30-2005, 11:06 PM

The price is right, so I just wanted to make sure before I ordered it.

Draft Dodger · 10-30-2005, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

The price is right, so I just wanted to make sure before I ordered it.

$36.99?
I don't think I can pass that up

Mr. Wednesday · 10-30-2005, 11:10 PM

OK, not quite as good as I thought once shipping is factored in, but I'll go for it anyway.

KWhit · 10-31-2005, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Well the Special Edition has the CivIV Soundtrack...

This is the first game I've played where that would interest me. I have only played 1.5 games so far, but I really like the soundtrack - especially the main theme. I really like that piece of music a lot. Very well done, IMO.

MikeVic · 10-31-2005, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

This is the first game I've played where that would interest me. I have only played 1.5 games so far, but I really like the soundtrack - especially the main theme. I really like that piece of music a lot. Very well done, IMO.

Yeah, I love the main theme too. I can visualize an Affrican grassland with a bunch of tribes people holding spears and jumping up and down and dancing and stuff.

moriarty · 10-31-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Yeah, I love the main theme too. I can visualize an Affrican grassland with a bunch of tribes people holding spears and jumping up and down and dancing and stuff.

I always picture a bunch of Broadway guys dancing in their Lion King tights ... but I think I like your vision better.

Draft Dodger · 10-31-2005, 10:12 PM

well, outpost still has that 36.99 price for the collectors edition, and when I asked my wife to talk me out of it, she told me to get it. so I guess I can't hold off anymore.

plunging away...

Eaglesfan27 · 10-31-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

well, outpost still has that 36.99 price for the collectors edition, and when I asked my wife to talk me out of it, she told me to get it. so I guess I can't hold off anymore.

plunging away...

You'll be glad you did.

Draft Dodger · 10-31-2005, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

You'll be glad you did.

I'll also be glad I have a job where I can play games at work on my laptop...

MikeVick7 · 11-01-2005, 08:43 AM

I'm gonna ask a total noob question here, but I haven't played Civ before but I am kinda curious.

Is this a game where you, to relate it to a sports game, have a dynasty or career mode and basically go until you've been defeated in a war? Or does Civ play in more of a "season" type mode where you play to an ending point?

jeff061 · 11-01-2005, 08:46 AM

You start in the BC times, and you play straight through to present/near time future times, a certain amount of years go by each turn. There is a time limit at 2050AD. If you hit the time limit whoever has the highest score wins. You can also win by conquest(war), culture, space race, diplomatically(unite the world under you) and other ways I believe. You can pick and choose the winning conditions and remove the time limit altogether if you like.

moriarty · 11-01-2005, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVick7

I'm gonna ask a total noob question here, but I haven't played Civ before but I am kinda curious.

Is this a game where you, to relate it to a sports game, have a dynasty or career mode and basically go until you've been defeated in a war? Or does Civ play in more of a "season" type mode where you play to an ending point?

Not sure I fully understand the question. There is definitely an end point (several victory conditions actually) like total domination, first in space etc... You can turn these conditions on or off. But you always have the option of continuing (indefinitely I believe) if you want to continue on until you've conquered the world. You just run out of tech advances/new units to build at some point.

MikeVick7 · 11-01-2005, 08:51 AM

Thanks guys, that helps me understand a lot better.

Passacaglia · 11-01-2005, 09:39 AM

You can technically keep going after you've conquered the world, can't you? Although, you just have no opponents.

Anyway, the only thing that HAS to end the game is the destruction of your entire civilization -- you can "lose" wars, as long as you still have a few cities left. Everything else is customizable, so that even if a certain "victory condition" is met, that civ doesn't win. Basically, you can pick which of the victory conditions will actually result in a victory in your game. There are several, and at this point, I don't even think I have them all memorized.

10-27-2005, 08:04 PM	#603
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Sensible is such a subjective word, though... I'm sure SkyDog defines it such that a sensible person would do what he would do. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

10-27-2005, 09:01 PM	#604
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Is anyone else having a difficult time finding the game? I went to three stores in the Baton Rouge area today and they were all sold out __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

10-28-2005, 09:05 AM	#618
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	So I picked up a new video card, and it works... but it's still painfully slooooooowwww, as I only got a 64 MB RAM video card... I'm thinking about taking this card back and picking up an even better one I found elsewhere for about the same price that is 128 MB, and buying some more RAM (I have 512 MB right now)... all based on what my wife will be telling me about the game today. I tweaked a couple of things this morning to try and coax it to run a bit better... but my God, they went a bit overboard with the graphics on this one. I did put in a 2 hour session last night, and didn't see where you could change how many Civs you were up against in a single player game, so I've got 9 opposing Civs on a HUGE map... is the number of opposing Civs in a single player game always static based on map size, or did I miss an options screen or something? __________________ My listening habits

10-28-2005, 08:27 PM	#625
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I just brought Civilization IV home. I'm not sure if I'm going to install it tonight or not. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

10-28-2005, 08:35 PM	#627
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Oh believe me, you will install it. Then you will play it until about 2am __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

10-27-2005, 07:15 PM	#601
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	woooo! Works on the laptop....Now, time to leave for a few hours

10-28-2005, 12:03 AM	#610
dixieflatline High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2003	So the game crashed on me tonight when I had built a wonder. The pop-up started and the game crashed. I went beck to the autosave the turn before and it kept crashing. I tried a bunch of things and what ended up working was updating the driver on my video card. I just guessed at that from reading this thread about how much others were having trouble with the video card. Anyway, in case you game crashes randomly when a pop up happens something to check out.

10-28-2005, 12:12 AM	#611
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Anyone try online?

10-28-2005, 12:18 AM	#612
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Not yet, but I want to.

10-28-2005, 02:11 AM	#614
Godzilla Blitz College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Well, it's 2AM and here I am again, second night in a row. Yikes, I'll be sleepy at work tomorrow. This game rocks. And by the way, the AI seems very good at picking effective promotions for its units. I've taken all the Russians cities except for Moscow, but they have six armies of longbowmen specially trained for urban combat and two armies of spearmen to cut up my knights. The Russians' last stand looks to be heroic. But I shall take their capital, no matter the cost. It will be mine! Our cities are building massive catapults to pound it to rubble. Then we'll send crossbowmen to wear them down more. Finally, waves of knights will roll over anything left standing. Russia shall fall.

10-28-2005, 08:05 AM	#615
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Has anyone found the game for less than $49-$50?

10-28-2005, 08:49 AM	#617
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I usually wait until a big price drop to get a game (I'm just now playing Half-Life 2 and Far Cry) but I'd like to get in on the inevitable FOFC multi-player games that will be happening before long.

10-28-2005, 10:30 AM	#620
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	So that no one misses the FOFC multiplayer signup: http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ad.php?t=44005

10-28-2005, 10:49 AM	#622
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	Sigh. Just picked this up, this makes 4 games I've bought in the last two weeks, where I had gone a good number of months without getting one previously. Of course now is also when I have the least amount of time to actually play games. It makes no sense. It's Civilization though, I couldn't stop myself. Life can wait.

10-28-2005, 08:42 PM	#629
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Just play the tutorial __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

10-28-2005, 10:35 PM	#632
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Thankfully, I don't have to get up very early tomorrow. I can get up as late as about 11:30 and still get my tasks done for the day. I need to be at the bank by noon, I'll be at a football game at 1:00 if the weather is nice, and then there's bowling at midnight. I could nap after the football game if necessary. I'm still thinking about it. If anybody's wondering which football game, it's just the showdown between the NAIA doormat Seton Hill Griffins (1-7) and the Division II Charleston (WV) Golden Eagles (6-3). Go Griffins! (we don't stand a chance) __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

10-28-2005, 11:50 PM	#633
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Can you not abandon a city?

10-30-2005, 09:49 PM	#634
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Does the collector's edition shown for ordering on outpost.com include the game, or is it just the extras? (I'd presume the former, but I'd like to make sure before I order.) __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

10-30-2005, 09:59 PM	#635
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	i was told by the guy at EB that the collectors edition is simply the normal game in a cool box. Nothing extra (except the box) and was only available to pre-order folks. __________________

10-30-2005, 10:48 PM	#636
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Well the Special Edition has the CivIV Soundtrack, a spiral bound manual, a tech tree poster, and a keyboard shortcut poster. Not sure what the Regular Edition has. And yes, of course, the game (why wouldn't it include the game?). __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

10-30-2005, 11:06 PM	#637
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	The price is right, so I just wanted to make sure before I ordered it. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

10-30-2005, 11:10 PM	#639
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	OK, not quite as good as I thought once shipping is factored in, but I'll go for it anyway. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you) Last edited by Mr. Wednesday : 10-30-2005 at 11:10 PM. Reason: Not actually a dola

10-31-2005, 10:12 PM	#643
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	well, outpost still has that 36.99 price for the collectors edition, and when I asked my wife to talk me out of it, she told me to get it. so I guess I can't hold off anymore. plunging away... __________________ Mile High Hockey

11-01-2005, 08:43 AM	#646
MikeVick7 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ron, Mexico	I'm gonna ask a total noob question here, but I haven't played Civ before but I am kinda curious. Is this a game where you, to relate it to a sports game, have a dynasty or career mode and basically go until you've been defeated in a war? Or does Civ play in more of a "season" type mode where you play to an ending point? __________________ Hattrick - Seattle Reign (224367)

11-01-2005, 08:46 AM	#647
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	You start in the BC times, and you play straight through to present/near time future times, a certain amount of years go by each turn. There is a time limit at 2050AD. If you hit the time limit whoever has the highest score wins. You can also win by conquest(war), culture, space race, diplomatically(unite the world under you) and other ways I believe. You can pick and choose the winning conditions and remove the time limit altogether if you like. __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 11-01-2005 at 08:53 AM.

11-01-2005, 08:51 AM	#649
MikeVick7 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ron, Mexico	Thanks guys, that helps me understand a lot better. __________________ Hattrick - Seattle Reign (224367)

11-01-2005, 09:39 AM	#650
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	You can technically keep going after you've conquered the world, can't you? Although, you just have no opponents. Anyway, the only thing that HAS to end the game is the destruction of your entire civilization -- you can "lose" wars, as long as you still have a few cities left. Everything else is customizable, so that even if a certain "victory condition" is met, that civ doesn't win. Basically, you can pick which of the victory conditions will actually result in a victory in your game. There are several, and at this point, I don't even think I have them all memorized.

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