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Old 10-28-2009, 11:18 PM   #551
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all the empty seats in the later innings pisses me off - these are tickets that must be worth several thousand dollars and thousands of people who can't afford to go would kill to be there - stick around for the whole game.
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:24 PM   #552
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I'm glad the Phillies didn't blow the game wide open, need to save some for the next game.

Remember the 11-0 blowout against LA, then the next night the incredible 9th, to go up 3-1?

Key for the Phillies was taking the 1st game. Game2 and Pedro(I assume) should be interesting, as Pedro can be just as dominant as Lee tonight.

Phillie bats should awaken more after the layoff, I expected rust and
timing(off) to be evident.

If the Phillies take game2, it's going to be rough sailing for NY.
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:37 PM   #553
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Cliff Lee is looking like the trade of a lifetime right now.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:01 AM   #554
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Cliff Lee is looking like the trade of a lifetime right now.

Agreed. All those other guys like CC, Randy Johnson, Manny, etc...I can't remember them having major postseason success to match their huge half regular seasons after they were traded.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:22 AM   #555
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:18 AM   #556
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The final score didn't matter --once the score was 2-0 I knew it was over, with the way Cliff Lee was pitching. As a Yankee fan, it was frustrating watching Lee pitch. CC didn't have a bad game pitching wise. But Lee was a MONSTER! He would get close to the brink of giving the Yankees a little momentum, and then make a pitch as if he were toying with them. I don't think the Yankee hitters cost the game--they were beat by a pitcher who had a monster night.

Looking at other comments by Phillies fans on ESPN, you would think that the series is over. But, fortunately, Cliff Lee isn't pitching all of the games, and I feel good about the next two games. C.C. started game 1 against Lee to make a sure loss into a draw. The series is by no means over and, since most picked the series to go 6-7, you would figure each team would win a game or so on the road. (now, if the Yankees lose tonight, I'll get a little more nervous).

But to Phillies fans--here's a question for you--does Cliff Lee pitch games 4 and 7? They were saying on ESPN radio that they had heard that since Lee threw 112 pitches last night he's going to start game 5. Has he pitched on short rest before, and how has he done?
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:45 AM   #557
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The final score didn't matter --once the score was 2-0 I knew it was over, with the way Cliff Lee was pitching. As a Yankee fan, it was frustrating watching Lee pitch. CC didn't have a bad game pitching wise. But Lee was a MONSTER! He would get close to the brink of giving the Yankees a little momentum, and then make a pitch as if he were toying with them. I don't think the Yankee hitters cost the game--they were beat by a pitcher who had a monster night.

Looking at other comments by Phillies fans on ESPN, you would think that the series is over. But, fortunately, Cliff Lee isn't pitching all of the games, and I feel good about the next two games. C.C. started game 1 against Lee to make a sure loss into a draw. The series is by no means over and, since most picked the series to go 6-7, you would figure each team would win a game or so on the road. (now, if the Yankees lose tonight, I'll get a little more nervous).

But to Phillies fans--here's a question for you--does Cliff Lee pitch games 4 and 7? They were saying on ESPN radio that they had heard that since Lee threw 112 pitches last night he's going to start game 5. Has he pitched on short rest before, and how has he done?

I think they pitch Lee on short-rest. I don't have stats on how he does on short rest, but this is the World Series so it's for all the marbles.
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:50 AM   #558
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Biggest question of the series right now is which A.J. Burnett shows up tonight. He very well might be the deciding factor.
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Hopefully the same AJ Burnett that pitched on May 22nd of this year.
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:58 AM   #560
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The final score didn't matter --once the score was 2-0 I knew it was over, with the way Cliff Lee was pitching. As a Yankee fan, it was frustrating watching Lee pitch. CC didn't have a bad game pitching wise. But Lee was a MONSTER! He would get close to the brink of giving the Yankees a little momentum, and then make a pitch as if he were toying with them. I don't think the Yankee hitters cost the game--they were beat by a pitcher who had a monster night.

Looking at other comments by Phillies fans on ESPN, you would think that the series is over. But, fortunately, Cliff Lee isn't pitching all of the games, and I feel good about the next two games. C.C. started game 1 against Lee to make a sure loss into a draw. The series is by no means over and, since most picked the series to go 6-7, you would figure each team would win a game or so on the road. (now, if the Yankees lose tonight, I'll get a little more nervous).

But to Phillies fans--here's a question for you--does Cliff Lee pitch games 4 and 7? They were saying on ESPN radio that they had heard that since Lee threw 112 pitches last night he's going to start game 5. Has he pitched on short rest before, and how has he done?

Right now, I think it really depends how the Phillies do in the next two games whether or not Lee comes back on short rest. Charlie has shown time and time again that he goes with the flow in the playoffs. If Pedro wins tonight, I don't think that he comes back until game 5. If they lose, and Cole wins game 3 (and huge *IF*), he still probably doesn't come back until game 5. But if they lose back to back games and are down 2-1, I can almost guarantee that Lee will come back in game 4.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:08 AM   #561
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If they were concerned about Lee's pitch count and his ability to go in Game 4, I'd think they would have cut him off after the 8th inning and 105 pitches. I know the bullpen has issues and you have to win Game 1, but you're going to need them eventually. Better to bring them into a 6-run game to ease any WS jitters than wait for the inevitable tight spot, IMO.

Again, that's if they were worried about his count...I have no problem with them sending him out for the 9th.

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Old 10-29-2009, 09:21 AM   #562
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But to Phillies fans--here's a question for you--does Cliff Lee pitch games 4 and 7? They were saying on ESPN radio that they had heard that since Lee threw 112 pitches last night he's going to start game 5. Has he pitched on short rest before, and how has he done?

Do I want Lee to pitch Game 4? Yes.
Will Charlie pitch Lee in Game 4? No.

Charlie has consistently shown an unwillingness to pitch guys on short rest. Think back to last year with Hamels starting on Game 5 of the 2008 NLCS and World Series. Plus, Blanton has won a few post-season games, so Charlie feels having him throw in Game 4.

So, expect to see Lee in Game 5 and no more after that.

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Old 10-29-2009, 09:35 AM   #563
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Plus, Blanton has won a few post-season games, so Charlie feels having him throw in Game 4.
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Not to mention that Joe The Lumber also hits home runs in World Series Game 4's.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:39 AM   #564
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Cliff Lee is looking like the trade of a lifetime right now.

Don't worry, I'm sure Cleveland must have gotten an incredible haul in the trades for both Game 1 starters.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:42 AM   #565
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Do I want Lee to pitch Game 4? Yes.
Will Charlie pitch Lee in Game 4? No.

Charlie has consistently shown an unwillingness to pitch guys on short rest. Think back to last year with Hamels starting on Game 5 of the 2008 NLCS and World Series. Plus, Blanton has won a few post-season games, so Charlie feels having him throw in Game 4.

So, expect to see Lee in Game 5 and no more after that.

I disagree. I think the scenario that I listed above will play out.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:21 AM   #566
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Don't worry, I'm sure Cleveland must have gotten an incredible haul in the trades for both Game 1 starters.

Sabathia was signed as a free agent, not traded for. But that's what you meant, right?
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:22 AM   #567
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Sabathia was traded last year at the deadline.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:38 AM   #568
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True, but it was like 99% certain they'd lose him to free agency. So they actually did quite well in dealing Sabathia.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:45 AM   #569
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Sabathia was traded last year at the deadline.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

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Edit: You are actually correct that he was traded, but it was to the Brewers. He signed with the Yankees as a Free Agent.

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He was traded from Cleveland to Milwaukee last year.
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No, he was traded. From Cleveland to Milwaukee.
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No, he was traded. From Cleveland to Milwaukee.

Yes, I edited my post to mention this.
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Old 10-29-2009, 11:18 AM   #573
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I can't believe the last 7 posts actually happened.
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I can't believe the last 7 posts actually happened.

Have you met RomaGoth? You shouldn't be.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:27 PM   #575
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I can't believe the last 7 posts actually happened.

they were (jb)magical.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:34 PM   #576
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Give Roma a break. It's hard to keep track when you root for so many teams.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:39 PM   #578
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Looks like Girardi is gift-wrapping this series for the Phillies, not that they need any help winning it.

Fucking Molina in for Posada because of Sir-Walks-A-Lot Burnett, and apparently Jerry Hairston Jr. is a better option than Nick Swisher.

Whether we win or lose this series, I want Girardi gone. He sucks ballz as a manager.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:53 PM   #579
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Hairston is hitting something like .370 against Pedro in his career.
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:08 PM   #580
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Looks like Girardi is gift-wrapping this series for the Phillies, not that they need any help winning it.

Fucking Molina in for Posada because of Sir-Walks-A-Lot Burnett, and apparently Jerry Hairston Jr. is a better option than Nick Swisher.

Whether we win or lose this series, I want Girardi gone. He sucks ballz as a manager.

Wouldn't it be easier to just find another team to follow

And just to confirm the ridiculousness, you are asking for a (potentially) world series winning manager fired because of 2 arguably logical lineup changes he made in game 2 of the world series? riiiight...
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:57 PM   #581
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Isn't Swisher hitting .150 this playoffs and batted .240 during the season?
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:35 PM   #582
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Stop bringing logic to the table.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:14 PM   #583
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I was very nervous about Pedro starting tonight, but that 1st inning just calmed my nerves significantly.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:18 PM   #584
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Yeah first innings this year have been Pedro's worst.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:28 PM   #585
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So, Burnett torches #1 through #5.....and then lets Ibanez and Matt Stairs get the first run? Wwow.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:42 PM   #586
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Who said Rauuuuuuuuuuullll was a bad fielder again?
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:42 PM   #587
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Dola....can you imagine if Pat the bat was out there?
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:44 PM   #588
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Dola....can you imagine if Pat the bat was out there?

See my post in the Off-season thread.

Seriously though, no way Pat the Bat makes that play.
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Wouldn't that have been pretty much a routine play for an average defensive outfielder?
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And the bad umps strike again!!
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Wouldn't it be easier to just find another team to follow

And just to confirm the ridiculousness, you are asking for a (potentially) world series winning manager fired because of 2 arguably logical lineup changes he made in game 2 of the world series? riiiight...

Nothing logical about taking out Posada for the offensively inept Molina. Sorry if you don't agree with me, but I can't stand Girardi.
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Yeah great call at first base. Fucking MLB umpires are a joke.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:03 PM   #593
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Well, I guess we're even now.

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Old 10-29-2009, 10:03 PM   #594
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Nothing logical about taking out Posada for the offensively inept Molina. Sorry if you don't agree with me, but I can't stand Girardi.

It seemed to work out perfectly. AJ pitched a terrific game with a catcher he is very comfortable with. Molina picked off the guy at first which swung the momentum in the stadium a bit, Tex hits a homerun right after that. Then Posada pinch hits and drives in an insurance run when normally he would be 5th in the batting order. Instead Matsui was 5th and he hits a homerun.

Also, Hairston got a hit and scored (Gardner pinch ran for him) while Swisher hasn't had a hit since June (or so it seems.)
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If Girardi even thinks of taking Rivera out, then he should be fired.
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It seemed to work out perfectly. AJ pitched a terrific game with a catcher he is very comfortable with. Molina picked off the guy at first which swung the momentum in the stadium a bit, Tex hits a homerun right after that. Then Posada pinch hits and drives in an insurance run when normally he would be 5th in the batting order. Instead Matsui was 5th and he hits a homerun.

Also, Hairston got a hit and scored (Gardner pinch ran for him) while Swisher hasn't had a hit since June (or so it seems.)

Of course because things are going well in this game, Girardi looks like a genius. Whether the Yanks win this series or not does not change how I feel about the guy.

I agree with Swisher, although I think his last hit was sometime in late May to be honest.
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Yeah great call at first base. Fucking MLB umpires are a joke.

Can you seriously say that in real time that was a huge blown call? Give me a break here and I'm not just saying it because the Phillies benefited. From the way the umpire was positioned (behind the first baseman) that's a difficult call to make, especially when the ball hits about an inch before the glove.
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Yeah that was a perfect example of why replay should be more widely used. The 1B ump had no shot, giving the best view to the home plate ump who was 100 ft away and needed to see the ball hit the ground 3 inches in front of the glove.

Give the crew chief a buzzer, notifying him a call was missed, send him to a headset in the dugout where he's told what the correct call was. No crew discussions, no crew chief watching replays on small TVs. That process would have taken significantly less time than the crew gathering together coupled with the manager arguing.
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My only concern with replaying a play like that is the implication of the call on the field with the runners on base. Say the ump says he catches it (like he did), so the 1b knows he doesnt have to tag first for the hitter, throws to second tags the runner and he's out too.

But then it comes out the ball skipped. So what do you do with the runners? Same can be said if the ball was deemed to be short hopped then later it comes out it wasn't.
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Isn't Swisher hitting .150 this playoffs and batted .240 during the season?

Well just taking the season into account, there is more than just batting average. Swisher had a .371 OBP and a .498 SLG, with an OPS+ of 126.

But he has been pretty poor in the playoffs so far (though he was pretty good in September and October in the regular season).
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