College Football week 14 - Page 12

TazFTW · 12-02-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by twothree

At least the ESPN broadcast has been interesting to watch...

Corso and Holtz looked like they were going to explode.

sterlingice · 12-02-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Fucking bullshit. Fuck Kansas in their fucking asses.

Go Virginia Tech.

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Mizzou did get screwed. You beat Kansas and Illinois and both of those teams get in BSC games ahead of you. Tough break. LSU in the title game! Georgia in the Sugar Bowl!

Well, we got completely gifted a BCS bowl. Really hoses Mizzou, particularly since they basically lost once this year (does it really count if you lose twice to the same team). That said, I'll be out looking for an Orange Bowl shirt starting tomorrow

(maybe I should stop doing that. Considering my other "game" shirts are the Tangerine Bowl a couple of years ago where Rivers ripped us a new one and the Border War game last month...)

SI

Swaggs · 12-02-2007, 07:36 PM

I think WVU-Oklahoma should be a fun game. I don't believe we have played one another in more than 20-years.

I would have been happy to have played VPI in the Orange Bowl and add another chapter to that rivalry, but we have played so many ACC teams in the past few seasons, it will be fun to play a team from a different part of the country.

VPI97 · 12-02-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Just proves what a bullshit system the BCS is.

There isn't a fucking team out there that I don't think OU can't beat on any given day.

You could say the same about LSU, VT, UGA, WVU, USC & OSU

Oklahoma didn't deserve to be in the MNC. Not even close.

Buccaneer · 12-02-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Just proves what a bullshit system the BCS is.

There isn't a fucking team out there that I don't think OU can't beat on any given day.

Mizzou should have shown up yesterday then. Even pre-BCS, it's always been what-have-you-done-for-me-lately.

Buccaneer · 12-02-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

You could say the same about LSU, VT, UGA, WVU, USC & OSU

Oklahoma didn't deserve to be in the MNC. Not even close.

+1

duckman · 12-02-2007, 07:37 PM

That sound you heard was MBBF's world collapsing on itself.

MizzouRah · 12-02-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

You could say the same about LSU, VT, UGA, WVU, USC & OSU

Oklahoma didn't deserve to be in the MNC. Not even close.

Are you kidding me? They are every bit as good as any of those teams.

Young Drachma · 12-02-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by twothree

At least the ESPN broadcast has been interesting to watch...

Indeed. Far more spirited and passionate than that drivel that FOX gave us. But then, they start screaming and shouting and I have to turn off my TV.

MizzouRah · 12-02-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Mizzou should have shown up yesterday then. Even pre-BCS, it's always been what-have-you-done-for-me-lately.

True. We carved our own destiny as far as the NC goes, but we deserve MUCH, MUCH better than where we'll end up.

VPI97 · 12-02-2007, 07:40 PM

Apparently, the final BCS standings were:

1. Ohio State
2. LSU
3. VT
4. Oklahoma
5. Georgia
6. Missouri
7. USC
8. Kansas
9. WVU
10. Hawaii

duckman · 12-02-2007, 07:40 PM

Wow, a Mizzou fan taking up for the Sooners! I think some of the effects from MBBF's world is spreading into reality.

VPI97 · 12-02-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Are you kidding me? They are every bit as good as any of those teams.

Well, yeah...that was the basis of my post...that any of those seven (incl OU) could beat anyone else on any given day. Your post made it sound like you thought OU was head and shoulders above the other contenders.

molson · 12-02-2007, 07:43 PM

OK, I agree with the consensus that Missouri was hosed, but why exactly did that happen? Was this just a choice by the Orange Bowl, and if so, what's their reasoning?

Buccaneer · 12-02-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Apparently, the final BCS standings were:

1. Ohio State
2. LSU
3. VT
4. Oklahoma
5. Georgia
6. Missouri
7. USC
8. Kansas
9. WVU
10. Hawaii

I can go along with Mizzou get screwed but KU did deserve a spot. Since I have advocated a return to a traditional bowl system (as oppose to a contrived BCS), I am very happy to see a USC-Ilini matchup instead of USC-Mizzou.

timmynausea · 12-02-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

OK, I agree with the consensus that Missouri was hosed, but why exactly did that happen? Was this just a choice by the Orange Bowl, and if so, what's their reasoning?

I'm pretty sure it was solely because the stuff MBBF said on here rubbed them the wrong way.

MizzouRah · 12-02-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Well, yeah...that was the basis of my post...that any of those seven (incl OU) could beat anyone else on any given day. Your post made it sound like you thought OU was head and shoulders above the other contenders.

Oh no, not what I was implying. They are right there.. the reason I would love an 8 team playoff.

I would agree with LSU, after that I throw my hands up.

I think Mizzou is heading to the cotton bowl to get a good dose of McFadden.

TazFTW · 12-02-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

OK, I agree with the consensus that Missouri was hosed, but why exactly did that happen? Was this just a choice by the Orange Bowl, and if so, what's their reasoning?

Orange Bowl chose them.

SackAttack · 12-02-2007, 07:47 PM

I thought top 6 = automatic berth? How the hell did Kansas get in?

duckman · 12-02-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

I thought top 6 = automatic berth? How the hell did Kansas get in?

Top 4 gets an automatic berth.

MizzouRah · 12-02-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

I thought top 6 = automatic berth? How the hell did Kansas get in?

I believe it's the 6 conference champions and then 4 "at large" teams, where no more than 2 per conference can go to a BCS bowl.

Lathum · 12-02-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by timmynausea

I'm pretty sure it was solely because the stuff MBBF said on here rubbed them the wrong way.

Cartman is on the Orange Bowl commitee?

Cuckoo · 12-02-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I think Mizzou is heading to the cotton bowl to get a good dose of McFadden.

I think this will be a very good game too. McFadden against the Mizzou defense (which was actually really stout for much of the game against OU's rushing attack last night until they tired and fell behind) should be very interesting.

I do agree with MizzouRah, though. I think Kansas had a great year, and I'm not trying to say they don't "deserve" it, but Mizzou has to get the nod over them. If Mizzou had lost to OU and some other Big 12 team or hadn't have played such a much stronger schedule, I would say differently. But as it is, I think Missouri has plenty of room to complain.

Buccaneer · 12-02-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

You could say the same about LSU, VT, UGA, WVU, USC & OSU

Oklahoma didn't deserve to be in the MNC. Not even close.

I just noticed you didn't include the great and mighty Hawaii Rainbows on your list. It should have been UGA-Mizzou in the Sugar.

cartman · 12-02-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Cartman is on the Orange Bowl commitee?

I prefer to work behind the scenes. I'm Machiavellian that way.

cartman · 12-02-2007, 07:55 PM

Now we will see which team will get to ride the massive momentum of their one game winning streaks to the BCS championship!

MJ4H · 12-02-2007, 07:59 PM

It is indeed Arkansas vs. Missouri in the Cotton Bowl. Sorry Missouri. That blows. Kansas should not be in the BCS over Missouri. It's a fucking joke.

Swaggs · 12-02-2007, 08:03 PM

Does the B12 share their bowl money evenly or do the BCS reps get a larger share?

Cringer · 12-02-2007, 08:08 PM

I hope we have ties, nothing but ties.

cartman · 12-02-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Does the B12 share their bowl money evenly or do the BCS reps get a larger share?

They share it evenly, after paying back expenses of attending the bowl game.

Vegas Vic · 12-02-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

You could say the same about LSU, VT, UGA, WVU, USC & OSU

Oklahoma didn't deserve to be in the MNC. Not even close.

Well, the same argument could be made about VT. When one of your losses is by 41 points, it's really hard to make a compelling case as to how you're getting screwed out of the championship game.

At least in the case of LSU, USC and Oklahoma, their two losses went down to the final play of the games.

Celeval · 12-02-2007, 08:20 PM

I don't think VPI is making a case that they're being screwed - I'm pretty sure he said (and I agree) that VT shouldn't be a MNC contender.

molson · 12-02-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

They share it evenly, after paying back expenses of attending the bowl game.

Do all conferences do this?

If so, I really don't see the big deal about going to the Cotton Bowl instead of the Orange Bowl. Sure, it's somewhat more high profile, but not really THAT much.

VPI97 · 12-02-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Well, the same argument could be made about VT. When one of your losses is by 41 points, it's really hard to make a compelling case as to how you're getting screwed out of the championship game.

At least in the case of LSU, USC and Oklahoma, their two losses went down to the final play of the games.

Good thing I never complained about getting screwed out of the championship game, then...LSU deserves that fair and square. My complaint was with a Oklahoma team who lost to two unranked teams getting a six spot bump in the coaches poll...at least in the case of VT, our two losses were against two teams that were ranked #2 at the time. OU got bumped up because of name recognition and Stoops crying to the media yesterday. Part of me is thankful that we have a coach who has enough class not to whine and beg on national television.

Swaggs · 12-02-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

They share it evenly, after paying back expenses of attending the bowl game.

So, realistically, Mizzou has a pretty good chance to finish in the top 5 (wiht a win) and get the same amount of money that they would have if they went to a BCS bowl. Unfortunate for their fans that they don't get the prestige of a BCS game, but in 10-15 years, they'll probably be just as happy with a top 5 finish.

Swaggs · 12-02-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Do all conferences do this?

If so, I really don't see the big deal about going to the Cotton Bowl instead of the Orange Bowl. Sure, it's somewhat more high profile, but not really THAT much.

The Big East pools all of their bowl money and then it is pro-rated, based on the teams' order in the standings.

Interestingly, when Miami was in the Big East, they got a guaranteed amount regardless of their position in the standings, so their terms were different than the other seven teams.

k0ruptr · 12-02-2007, 08:31 PM

lol. Georgia is gonna wear all black .and black out the sugar dome lol. that is fantastic! it will look like mostly Hawaii fans there then! ahahhahaha

Vegas Vic · 12-02-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

OU got bumped up because of name recognition and Stoops crying to the media yesterday.

Actually, the biggest reason they got bumped up was the voters themselves (who voted Missouri #1 going into the weekend) took into account that OU beat Missouri twice, by 10 and 21 points.

I don't have a beef with LSU getting in. They probably deserve it as much as any other team.

Missouri probably got screwed the most. They actually beat two BCS bowl teams, Illinois and Kansas.

duckman · 12-02-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

They share it evenly, after paying back expenses of attending the bowl game.

Yup, they split into 13 "stocks" (not sure if that is the right term or not) and the team going to bowl game gets 2 stocks and and the other 11 get one stock. The extra stock overs the cost of going to the game.

Cuckoo · 12-02-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

OU got bumped up because of name recognition and Stoops crying to the media yesterday.

Give me a break... You don't really believe this, do you?

VPI97 · 12-02-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuckoo

Give me a break... You don't really believe this, do you?

Without a doubt. Do you really think it's reasonable for OU to have jumped from #9 to #3 after beating a team they had already beaten once before? Meanwhile, VT beats #11 by 14 points (and avenges one of our two losses in the process) only to lose points in the polls. If that would have happened to a team named Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State, Flordia, etc (name teams) the media would still be screaming bloody murder.

sooner333 · 12-02-2007, 09:01 PM

OU got bumped because they beat the #1 team in the nation...something that Tech had a chance to do earlier in the season but failed to do.

Also, a conference championship game loser has only made a BCS game one time--2003 when Oklahoma lost to KSU, but went to a BCS game because it automatically qualified by being #1 still. Other than that, never. The reason is usually momentum, although that can't be the case this time because both teams lost their last game of the season. That being said, Mizzou deserves the game more, but both are more deserving than Illinois.

Lathum · 12-02-2007, 09:04 PM

Illinois is going to lose by at least 17 points.

sooner333 · 12-02-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Without a doubt. Do you really think it's reasonable for OU to have jumped from #9 to #3 after beating a team they had already beaten once before? Meanwhile, VT beats #11 by 14 points (and avenges one of our two losses in the process) only to lose points in the polls. If that would have happened to a team named Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State, Flordia, etc (name teams) the media would still be screaming bloody murder.

Why should VT get as much credit for being a worse team that had beat them in the past? I don't see how avenging a loss matters at all and makes that win more relevant. Missouri was rated better than Boston College and OU beat them by more points than VT did on neutral fields. Just because OU had proven they could beat Missouri before doesn't make it less of an accomplishment...back when OU won the first time Missouri wasn't ranked as highly or thought of as highly and OU didn't get as big of a boost that time as a result.

cartman · 12-02-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Why should VT get as much credit for being a worse team that had beat them in the past? I don't see how avenging a loss matters at all and makes that win more relevant. Missouri was rated better than Boston College and OU beat them by more points than VT did on neutral fields. Just because OU had proven they could beat Missouri before doesn't make it less of an accomplishment...back when OU won the first time Missouri wasn't ranked as highly or thought of as highly and OU didn't get as big of a boost that time as a result.

If this was any other poll than the end of season poll, OU wouldn't have gotten as big of a bump as they got.

Cuckoo · 12-02-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Without a doubt. Do you really think it's reasonable for OU to have jumped from #9 to #3 after beating a team they had already beaten once before? Meanwhile, VT beats #11 by 14 points (and avenges one of our two losses in the process) only to lose points in the polls. If that would have happened to a team named Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State, Flordia, etc (name teams) the media would still be screaming bloody murder.

Well, tell me this then. USC has plenty of name recognition, and their coach was on national television live (Stoops wasn't, I don't believe) "crying to the media" to use your words. Did USC get moved ahead of VT?

Couldn't it be, just maybe a little, that playing so well against the #1 team in the nation had something to do with it? Come on man...

VPI97 · 12-02-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Why should VT get as much credit for being a worse team that had beat them in the past? I don't see how avenging a loss matters at all and makes that win more relevant. Missouri was rated better than Boston College and OU beat them by more points than VT did on neutral fields. Just because OU had proven they could beat Missouri before doesn't make it less of an accomplishment...back when OU won the first time Missouri wasn't ranked as highly or thought of as highly and OU didn't get as big of a boost that time as a result.

You were favored to beat Missouri...that makes it less of an accomplishment. Don't act like you took down the 2001 Miami Hurricanes.

VPI97 · 12-02-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuckoo

Well, tell me this then. USC has plenty of name recognition, and their coach was on national television live (Stoops wasn't, I don't believe) "crying to the media" to use your words. Did USC get moved ahead of VT

Yes...in the Harris poll, USC jumped us as well.

Name value ruled the day in the opinion polls. VT was ranked #1 in the computer polls.

Toddzilla · 12-02-2007, 09:11 PM

VPI97 won't say it, but I will - Virginia Tech got screwed.

Virginia Tech was #1 in the computer rankings, but *didn't even move* in the USA Today poll from last week and only moved up one spot in the Harris Interactive poll, so their BCS ranking was affected.

Do I think Virginia Tech has a case? Absolutely...

(1) They won their conference title as did LSU (Georgia and Kansas didn't even play for theirs FWIW)
(2) Like LSU, VT only lost 2 games, but Tech lost to the #2 ranked team each time, LSU lost to Kentucky when they were #20 (?) and an unranked team in Arkansas at home. Tech lost to really good teams, LSU choked away 2 games they should have won.
(3) Virginia Tech played a better - and higher ranked - team in their conference championship game and beat them more soundly.
(4) Head-to-head? Yeah, I guess so, but that was week 2 - may as well have been last year.

If Virginia Tech moved up in the polls AS THEY SHOULD HAVE, they'd have been in the title game instead of LSU.

This was simply a case of the voters choosing who they wanted to see in the title game, and in the end, VT has a legit case for being there instead of LSU.

That being said...

If you'd asked me a month ago, I'd have been thrilled with the Orange Bowl, so I can't really complain, but I did anyway

Cuckoo · 12-02-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Don't act like you took down the 2001 Miami Hurricanes.

Well, there's the rub, I guess. If it was a team you respected a bit more (or if VT was in OU's shoes, I'd bet), the accomplishment of beating the #1 team by 21 on a neutral field would mean a lot to you.

I think a lot of people had some respect for Missouri, particularly their offense, so OU's showing was significant enough to warrant the bump.

12-02-2007, 07:36 PM	#553
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12-02-2007, 07:40 PM	#561
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	Apparently, the final BCS standings were: 1. Ohio State 2. LSU 3. VT 4. Oklahoma 5. Georgia 6. Missouri 7. USC 8. Kansas 9. WVU 10. Hawaii __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

12-02-2007, 07:55 PM	#576
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12-02-2007, 07:59 PM	#577
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12-02-2007, 08:03 PM	#578
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Does the B12 share their bowl money evenly or do the BCS reps get a larger share? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-02-2007, 07:43 PM	#564
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	OK, I agree with the consensus that Missouri was hosed, but why exactly did that happen? Was this just a choice by the Orange Bowl, and if so, what's their reasoning?

12-02-2007, 07:47 PM	#569
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	I thought top 6 = automatic berth? How the hell did Kansas get in?

12-02-2007, 08:08 PM	#579
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12-02-2007, 08:20 PM	#582
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	I don't think VPI is making a case that they're being screwed - I'm pretty sure he said (and I agree) that VT shouldn't be a MNC contender.

12-02-2007, 08:31 PM	#587
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12-02-2007, 09:01 PM	#592
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	OU got bumped because they beat the #1 team in the nation...something that Tech had a chance to do earlier in the season but failed to do. Also, a conference championship game loser has only made a BCS game one time--2003 when Oklahoma lost to KSU, but went to a BCS game because it automatically qualified by being #1 still. Other than that, never. The reason is usually momentum, although that can't be the case this time because both teams lost their last game of the season. That being said, Mizzou deserves the game more, but both are more deserving than Illinois.

12-02-2007, 09:04 PM	#593
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Illinois is going to lose by at least 17 points.

12-02-2007, 09:11 PM	#599
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	VPI97 won't say it, but I will - Virginia Tech got screwed. Virginia Tech was #1 in the computer rankings, but didn't even move in the USA Today poll from last week and only moved up one spot in the Harris Interactive poll, so their BCS ranking was affected. Do I think Virginia Tech has a case? Absolutely... (1) They won their conference title as did LSU (Georgia and Kansas didn't even play for theirs FWIW) (2) Like LSU, VT only lost 2 games, but Tech lost to the #2 ranked team each time, LSU lost to Kentucky when they were #20 (?) and an unranked team in Arkansas at home. Tech lost to really good teams, LSU choked away 2 games they should have won. (3) Virginia Tech played a better - and higher ranked - team in their conference championship game and beat them more soundly. (4) Head-to-head? Yeah, I guess so, but that was week 2 - may as well have been last year. If Virginia Tech moved up in the polls AS THEY SHOULD HAVE, they'd have been in the title game instead of LSU. This was simply a case of the voters choosing who they wanted to see in the title game, and in the end, VT has a legit case for being there instead of LSU. That being said... If you'd asked me a month ago, I'd have been thrilled with the Orange Bowl, so I can't really complain, but I did anyway Last edited by Toddzilla : 12-02-2007 at 09:14 PM.

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