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Well, we got completely gifted a BCS bowl. Really hoses Mizzou, particularly since they basically lost once this year (does it really count if you lose twice to the same team). That said, I'll be out looking for an Orange Bowl shirt starting tomorrow (maybe I should stop doing that. Considering my other "game" shirts are the Tangerine Bowl a couple of years ago where Rivers ripped us a new one and the Border War game last month...) SI
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I think WVU-Oklahoma should be a fun game. I don't believe we have played one another in more than 20-years.
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Indeed. Far more spirited and passionate than that drivel that FOX gave us. But then, they start screaming and shouting and I have to turn off my TV.
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Apparently, the final BCS standings were:
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Wow, a Mizzou fan taking up for the Sooners! I think some of the effects from MBBF's world is spreading into reality.
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Well, yeah...that was the basis of my post...that any of those seven (incl OU) could beat anyone else on any given day. Your post made it sound like you thought OU was head and shoulders above the other contenders.
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OK, I agree with the consensus that Missouri was hosed, but why exactly did that happen? Was this just a choice by the Orange Bowl, and if so, what's their reasoning?
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I can go along with Mizzou get screwed but KU did deserve a spot. Since I have advocated a return to a traditional bowl system (as oppose to a contrived BCS), I am very happy to see a USC-Ilini matchup instead of USC-Mizzou. |
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Oh no, not what I was implying. They are right there.. the reason I would love an 8 team playoff. I would agree with LSU, after that I throw my hands up. I think Mizzou is heading to the cotton bowl to get a good dose of McFadden. |
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I thought top 6 = automatic berth? How the hell did Kansas get in?
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Top 4 gets an automatic berth.
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I think this will be a very good game too. McFadden against the Mizzou defense (which was actually really stout for much of the game against OU's rushing attack last night until they tired and fell behind) should be very interesting. I do agree with MizzouRah, though. I think Kansas had a great year, and I'm not trying to say they don't "deserve" it, but Mizzou has to get the nod over them. If Mizzou had lost to OU and some other Big 12 team or hadn't have played such a much stronger schedule, I would say differently. But as it is, I think Missouri has plenty of room to complain. Last edited by Cuckoo : 12-02-2007 at 07:54 PM. |
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Now we will see which team will get to ride the massive momentum of their one game winning streaks to the BCS championship!
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It is indeed Arkansas vs. Missouri in the Cotton Bowl. Sorry Missouri. That blows. Kansas should not be in the BCS over Missouri. It's a fucking joke.
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12-02-2007, 08:03 PM | #578 |
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Does the B12 share their bowl money evenly or do the BCS reps get a larger share?
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They share it evenly, after paying back expenses of attending the bowl game.
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Well, the same argument could be made about VT. When one of your losses is by 41 points, it's really hard to make a compelling case as to how you're getting screwed out of the championship game. At least in the case of LSU, USC and Oklahoma, their two losses went down to the final play of the games. |
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I don't think VPI is making a case that they're being screwed - I'm pretty sure he said (and I agree) that VT shouldn't be a MNC contender.
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Do all conferences do this? If so, I really don't see the big deal about going to the Cotton Bowl instead of the Orange Bowl. Sure, it's somewhat more high profile, but not really THAT much. Last edited by molson : 12-02-2007 at 08:23 PM. |
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So, realistically, Mizzou has a pretty good chance to finish in the top 5 (wiht a win) and get the same amount of money that they would have if they went to a BCS bowl. Unfortunate for their fans that they don't get the prestige of a BCS game, but in 10-15 years, they'll probably be just as happy with a top 5 finish. |
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The Big East pools all of their bowl money and then it is pro-rated, based on the teams' order in the standings. Interestingly, when Miami was in the Big East, they got a guaranteed amount regardless of their position in the standings, so their terms were different than the other seven teams. |
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lol. Georgia is gonna wear all black .and black out the sugar dome lol. that is fantastic! it will look like mostly Hawaii fans there then! ahahhahaha
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Actually, the biggest reason they got bumped up was the voters themselves (who voted Missouri #1 going into the weekend) took into account that OU beat Missouri twice, by 10 and 21 points. I don't have a beef with LSU getting in. They probably deserve it as much as any other team. Missouri probably got screwed the most. They actually beat two BCS bowl teams, Illinois and Kansas. Last edited by Vegas Vic : 12-02-2007 at 08:46 PM. |
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Yup, they split into 13 "stocks" (not sure if that is the right term or not) and the team going to bowl game gets 2 stocks and and the other 11 get one stock. The extra stock overs the cost of going to the game.
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Without a doubt. Do you really think it's reasonable for OU to have jumped from #9 to #3 after beating a team they had already beaten once before? Meanwhile, VT beats #11 by 14 points (and avenges one of our two losses in the process) only to lose points in the polls. If that would have happened to a team named Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State, Flordia, etc (name teams) the media would still be screaming bloody murder.
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OU got bumped because they beat the #1 team in the nation...something that Tech had a chance to do earlier in the season but failed to do.
Also, a conference championship game loser has only made a BCS game one time--2003 when Oklahoma lost to KSU, but went to a BCS game because it automatically qualified by being #1 still. Other than that, never. The reason is usually momentum, although that can't be the case this time because both teams lost their last game of the season. That being said, Mizzou deserves the game more, but both are more deserving than Illinois. |
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Why should VT get as much credit for being a worse team that had beat them in the past? I don't see how avenging a loss matters at all and makes that win more relevant. Missouri was rated better than Boston College and OU beat them by more points than VT did on neutral fields. Just because OU had proven they could beat Missouri before doesn't make it less of an accomplishment...back when OU won the first time Missouri wasn't ranked as highly or thought of as highly and OU didn't get as big of a boost that time as a result. |
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If this was any other poll than the end of season poll, OU wouldn't have gotten as big of a bump as they got.
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Well, tell me this then. USC has plenty of name recognition, and their coach was on national television live (Stoops wasn't, I don't believe) "crying to the media" to use your words. Did USC get moved ahead of VT? Couldn't it be, just maybe a little, that playing so well against the #1 team in the nation had something to do with it? Come on man... |
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Name value ruled the day in the opinion polls. VT was ranked #1 in the computer polls. Last edited by VPI97 : 12-02-2007 at 09:10 PM. |
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VPI97 won't say it, but I will - Virginia Tech got screwed.
Virginia Tech was #1 in the computer rankings, but *didn't even move* in the USA Today poll from last week and only moved up one spot in the Harris Interactive poll, so their BCS ranking was affected. Do I think Virginia Tech has a case? Absolutely... (1) They won their conference title as did LSU (Georgia and Kansas didn't even play for theirs FWIW) (2) Like LSU, VT only lost 2 games, but Tech lost to the #2 ranked team each time, LSU lost to Kentucky when they were #20 (?) and an unranked team in Arkansas at home. Tech lost to really good teams, LSU choked away 2 games they should have won. (3) Virginia Tech played a better - and higher ranked - team in their conference championship game and beat them more soundly. (4) Head-to-head? Yeah, I guess so, but that was week 2 - may as well have been last year. If Virginia Tech moved up in the polls AS THEY SHOULD HAVE, they'd have been in the title game instead of LSU. This was simply a case of the voters choosing who they wanted to see in the title game, and in the end, VT has a legit case for being there instead of LSU. That being said... If you'd asked me a month ago, I'd have been thrilled with the Orange Bowl, so I can't really complain, but I did anyway Last edited by Toddzilla : 12-02-2007 at 09:14 PM. |
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Well, there's the rub, I guess. If it was a team you respected a bit more (or if VT was in OU's shoes, I'd bet), the accomplishment of beating the #1 team by 21 on a neutral field would mean a lot to you. I think a lot of people had some respect for Missouri, particularly their offense, so OU's showing was significant enough to warrant the bump. Last edited by Cuckoo : 12-02-2007 at 09:14 PM. |
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