Favre to Retire...

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Spree

But why is no one addressing what a huge revenue boost this might be to the league? Favre-to-New York is like Grezky going to L.A. or Jordan joining the Knicks. The most acclaimed player (3 MVPs) of his generation, who unlike, say, A-Rod, has never had a bad thing said about him, moving from the smallest media market in professional sports to the biggest... it's an NFL exec's dream.

Geez, where to begin with your inaccuracies...

Gretzky going to LA is what caused people to believe that the NHL could survive, and even flourish, in warm weather cities. The league would be half it's current size if Gretzky never went to LA. Football is kind of already a big deal here, no help from Favre needed.

And Favre has had a bad thing said about him as he had to come out and admit his addiction to painkillers. And there's a ton of fans out there who are sick of him being shoved down our throats by jackasses like Madden. Now there's even more who can't stand him due to this recent episode. And a large portion of his own fans don't want him.

[Spree]

"Geez, where to begin with your innaccuracies" What's with with the anomisity? Giants fan perhaps?

And here I thought my post was a stunning piece of sports analysis...

Anyway, your missing the point on Gretzky. It's possible the league would've already folded by now had he not been shipped off to LA. I'm just being speculative, but I can only see how Gretzky helped the sport of hockey, not harmed it.

About Favre and his reputation... I'm just comparing his to A-Rod's. A-Rod was already a heel by the time he arrived in NY, by virture of his huge contract. And what'd it lead to? Despite a huge signing, it culminated in the biggest collapse in the history of baseball. I doubt something similar would happen to Favre, just based on the fact that most people will be rooting for him to succeed.

And the "large portion of his own fans" who don't want him is more of a whimsical fantasy of retiring on top and protecting his legacy rather than a feeling that he can no longer play.

From NYC, Logan... even though that's a Boston name... why in God's name aren't you psyched about Favre coming to the Jets? Is Pennington that preferrable?

[Logan]

First I'm a Giants fan, then I'm a Jets fan...keep trying, but head out west this time.

Your point was that Favre to the Jets would be a financial windfall for the NFL. Football is huge here; unlike LA's hockey days pre-Gretzky, it can't get any bigger.

You're doing a nice job in bringing up your lazy post-per-day count.

[Spree]

Let's keep arguing, like all good New Yorkers should.

Favre + New York = lots and lots and lots of jerseys sold... TV audience up... rejuvenation in a franchise that hasn't won in 30 years.....

Yes, interest in football won't be boosted in NYC, like it was with Gretzky and hockey in L.A. But don't you think adding Favre to our already stacked stable of cultural icons is ultimately good for the city/state? Imagine a Jets-Giants Super Bowl. Would it be the lowest-rated Super Bowl ever, like it was for the 2000 Mets-Yankees World Series? Absolutely not.

Originally Posted by Logan

First I'm a Giants fan, then I'm a Jets fan...keep trying, but head out west this time.

Ah-ha! You just all credibility with your admission of contradictory football allegiances! (If we still had the quote banner at the top of the page, I'd nominate that line, if only because it took me two hours to write)

Seriously, don't your friends rip on you for committing that ultimate sin of New York sports fandom, liking two of the city's teams at the same time?

[Logan]

Are you really this dense? First YOU SAID I'm a Giants fan, then YOU SAID I'm a Jets fan. I am neither. I'm a Niner fan.

Good lord. I'm done here.

[Spree]

Ok, sorry to upset you.

People say that New Yorkers are usually temperamental people... and, uh...

Anyway, let's talk about this man-to-man. I'm on the Hudson Line. Meet me at the 125th station in 30 minutes. I'll be wearing a Favre jersey.

Also, Niners' fan here as well. Well, at least I was until I found out Favre was coming to the Big Apple. No, really, I am. And judging by their recent lack of success, I can understand why you're so pissed off.

[TCY Junkie]

I have a farve rookie card, when did he change the spelling of his name spree.

[Spree]

I didn't know we were busting out the Favre-has-a-funny-name jokes so early into this thread. Well, I guess 10 pages outta do it.

Seriously, can anyone tell me why Favre going to New York would be bad for the league?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Spree

Anyway, let's talk about this man-to-man. I'm on the Hudson Line. Meet me at the 125th station in 30 minutes. I'll be wearing a Favre jersey.

No thanks dude, unlike you I don't wander into Harlem to meet strange men at night.

[Spree]

Originally Posted by Logan

No thanks dude, unlike you I don't wander into Harlem to meet strange men at night.

Classic New York ball-busting

[Logan]

All in good fun man.

[Jas_lov]

Peter King has reported that Brett Favre will NOT report to camp on Sunday. Thompson wanted a couple more days to resolve the situation and Favre agreed saying, "I don't want to be a distraction to the Packers and I hope in the next few days we can come to an agreement that would allow me to continue playing football.''

[Senator]

sweet

[Mustang]

Favre sent in his reinstatement papers.

Now the circus REALLY begins. Although, probably still another 72 hours before he'd step on a practice field. Goddell will probably sign off on it tomorrow, then he goes to GB for a physical I'm sure and then possibly practice on Friday.

[BrianD]

I've heard reports locally that Goddell contacted Green Bay (Thompson?) and said that if Brett was willing, he (Goddell) wanted him back in the league. Clearly having him in the league is good for public attention. Those papers will be signed quite quickly.

[molson]

Can we now all agree that the ball is in the Packers' court?

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by molson

Can we now all agree that the ball is in the Packers' court?

Actually, it's in Goddell's.

[Cringer]

The wife and I have been laughing about ESPN the last several days about their sports ticker at the bottom. I am sure most of you have noticed that Favre has his own section right along with MLB, NFL, NBA, NASCAR. It is pretty funny. I think in a couple days one of the ESPN channels is renamed the Favre Network and it is 24-7 Favre.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Cringer

The wife and I have been laughing about ESPN the last several days about their sports ticker at the bottom. I am sure most of you have noticed that Favre has his own section right along with MLB, NFL, NBA, NASCAR. It is pretty funny. I think in a couple days one of the ESPN channels is renamed the Favre Network and it is 24-7 Favre.

That's hilarious.

Just wait until the season starts and he's playing in NY.

[Mustang]

ESPN 4

FAVR-YAH!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Cringer

The wife and I have been laughing about ESPN the last several days about their sports ticker at the bottom. I am sure most of you have noticed that Favre has his own section right along with MLB, NFL, NBA, NASCAR. It is pretty funny. I think in a couple days one of the ESPN channels is renamed the Favre Network and it is 24-7 Favre.

Other than watching the last few episodes of "Lost" that I had DVR'd, I have watched a grand total of about 2 hours of TV since the Red Wings won the Stanley Cup.

I don't miss it at all. At. All.

[PackerFanatic]

I am sick of it. Send him to NY, send him to TB, send him to Minnesota for all I fuckin' care - just get him off my TV and give me the REAL Green Bay Packers and some REAL freakin' FOOTBALL.

[Fonzie]

Packers team president Mark Murphy is reportedly heading to Mississippi to try to talk Favre out of reporting to camp. Why Favre would do that (simply because Murphy asked him to?) is beyond me. Murphy would need to provide a more compelling rationale than "protect your legacy," and I just don't see what else he'd have to offer here.

[Anthony]

this is silly. if the Packers don't want him - release him. they're being seriously stupid in all this. normally a team will say "we don't want you to play for our team". the Packers are basically saying "we don't want you to play football at all, even though you still arguably have the ability to do so".

[bhlloy]

In all honesty though, you can understand why the Packers are doing this. If Favre retires and they don't do as well as last year, they have a get out of jail free card. If he gets released and they don't do as well, it's a big black mark against the front office. Especially if he goes somewhere like Minnesota or Chicago and basically makes them a contender.

If Favre loves football so much he should just come back and be the backup. Chances of Rodgers not playing up to his level or getting hurt have got to be decently good and if a starter goes down in preseason or the first couple of weeks, he might get his trade to a contender anyway. This is just tarnishing his legacy right now and screwing over "his" franchise.

[ISiddiqui]

Why shouldn't they be allowed to trade him?

[bhlloy]

One more thing, the Packers are giving him the opportunity to be the backup QB (obviously that isn't the ideal situation, but it's not like they are mounting legal challenges to keep him retired or trying to prove he is injured and putting him on the PUP list or something) I don't see why he deserves anything more than that, especially when he gave them every single reason to go in a different direction. Sometimes in life you don't just get to say "oops sorry my bad, I changed my mind, now everyone fall back in line with what I want"

[Anthony]

when the Panthers are forced to start an over 40 year old QB in Vinny Testeverde in '07 - that alone should tell you just how scarce talent is in the QB position in the NFL. the fact that the Packers have access to arguably one of the top 5 QBs in the league (when he's playing at the level he did in '07) and decide to go with an unproven backup *just because Favre made them initially go in a different direction before training camp started* doesn't mean they should automatically respond "too bad for you, Brett". there's about 10 teams that would love to be in the predicament the Packers are in right now, on the cusp of trip to the Super Bowl and being able to return the QB who nearly did it the prior year.

but i'm not saying the Packers shouldn't go with Rodgers. i believe it's time for them to go in a different direction. they should just move Favre, not try to waste their time to talk him into retiring. that brings me back to my previous point - its absurd they would try to mount an obstacle to Favre returning given the scarcity of proven NFL-calibre QB talent. how some teams can start different QBs in the same year, and others are basically hitting a future HOF QB with a stick trying to keep him from coming back. it's truly absurd.

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

One more thing, the Packers are giving him the opportunity to be the backup QB (obviously that isn't the ideal situation, but it's not like they are mounting legal challenges to keep him retired or trying to prove he is injured and putting him on the PUP list or something) I don't see why he deserves anything more than that, especially when he gave them every single reason to go in a different direction. Sometimes in life you don't just get to say "oops sorry my bad, I changed my mind, now everyone fall back in line with what I want"

Actually I don't think they want him anywhere near Green Bay even in a backup role. It also appears that Favre does not want to make them fall in line, but more do something with him instead of forcing him not to play at all like the Pakers seem to want.

[Spree]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I am sick of it. Send him to NY, send him to TB, send him to Minnesota for all I fuckin' care - just get him off my TV and give me the REAL Green Bay Packers and some REAL freakin' FOOTBALL.

If Favre had won the Super Bowl last year, would you be more tolerant of all the attention being paid to him?

[Spree]

Originally Posted by Fonzie

Packers team president Mark Murphy is reportedly heading to Mississippi to try to talk Favre out of reporting to camp. Why Favre would do that (simply because Murphy asked him to?) is beyond me. Murphy would need to provide a more compelling rationale than "protect your legacy," and I just don't see what else he'd have to offer here.

Stay retired and we'll name the team after you. The Green Bay Bretts.

[Mustang]

I don't know what anyone is doing in this situation anymore.

[rkmsuf]

This story is like watching two monkeys trying to hump a basketball.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

This story is like watching two monkeys trying to hump a basketball.

I prefer watching them hump a football.

[Cork]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Sometimes in life you don't just get to say "oops sorry my bad, I changed my mind, now everyone fall back in line with what I want"

+100

-Cork

[Dr. Sak]

Brett should just go back to acting. He was screwed out of an Oscar for his role in There's Something About Mary.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Fonzie

Packers team president Mark Murphy is reportedly heading to Mississippi to try to talk Favre out of reporting to camp. Why Favre would do that (simply because Murphy asked him to?) is beyond me. Murphy would need to provide a more compelling rationale than "protect your legacy," and I just don't see what else he'd have to offer here.

To me, this is exactly what they should have done in the first place. Brett has proven himself to be as much of a diva as T.O., Chad Johnson etc. in my opinion. He wants the team to say they need him. He wants the team to beg him to come back in the same way they did before.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Anthony

its absurd they would try to mount an obstacle to Favre returning given the scarcity of proven NFL-calibre QB talent. how some teams can start different QBs in the same year, and others are basically hitting a future HOF QB with a stick trying to keep him from coming back. it's truly absurd.

I don't think they are trying to prevent him from coming back, I think they are just trying to prevent him from coming to the Packers camp while they work something out with a team or wait for an opportunity to come up to trade him.

At this point, I think he shows up to Packers camp and he is made the backup and at some point is traded during camp. It is already a circus and the damage has been done. I'm sure the locker room is already divided so, not sure how more F'd up this could be.

[molson]

I'm thinking there's little/no interest in the trade market for him, at least in the AFC, or else they would have made a trade by now. And of course, other teams have to know the Packers are desperate to resolve this.

[Front Office Midget]

I'm sick of how villified both sides continue to be. Seeing people on the news protesting the shareholders meeting with "Favre not Thompson" shirts, and seeing people say Favre is nothing but an attention-hog... I really don't think either side is that much in the wrong.

There's no problem with Favre wanting to play, there's no problem with Thompson not wanting him in Green Bay.

Favre as a backup would be disastrous. In FOF terms it would be great, but that's absent of a crowd who will be chanting "We Want Favre" the first time Rodgers makes a mistake.

[molson]

Maybe they shouldn't be so scared to trade the guy in the conference or in the division (if there's a market for hiM). Don't most people think he'd suck somewhere else? Bellichick traded Bledsoe within the division for a 1st round pick - that meant two guaranteed wins a year for the Pats because Bellichick knew his weaknesses inside and out.

Maybe Favre on the Vikings is a little more scary than Bledsoe on the Bills. But I would have no hesitation in trading him ANYWHERE else.

Of course, if they drag this out longer, maybe Favre will just decide to retire again.

[rkmsuf]

What are the cap implications if they cut him?

[molson]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

What are the cap implications if they cut him?

They're so far under the cap that it wouldn't impact them at all.

[spleen1015]

This is what the Bulls should have done.

Sorry Michael. We have Tony Kukoc now.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

This is what the Bulls should have done.

Sorry Michael. We have Tony Kukoc now.

That's not even close to the same.

And it's Toni Kukoc, not Tony.

[molson]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

This is what the Bulls should have done.

Sorry Michael. We have Tony Kukoc now.

I don't think that metaphor works...I can't quite put my finger on why......

[MikeVic]

And Kukoc played SF. This is like saying:

"Sorry Michael, we have PETE MYERS now."

[molson]

Sport text sims should create this kind of scenerio, like a "random event" in CIV IV.

Like you could get a popup that says:

"Your recently retired star QB wants to come back. Do you want to:"

A: Welcome him back as starter (Backup QB will experience severe drop in team loyalty, will have 25% chance of demanding a trade, and 25% chance of decreased future potential)
B: Welcome him back as backup (Backup QB will experience moderate drop in team loyalty, will have 10% of demanding a trade, and 15% chance of decreased future potential).
C: Negotiate Trade (Chance of signficantly decreased fan support, signficant chance that backup QB will experience decreased future potential if old QB outplays him on new team)
D: Release Player

You get the idea....

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Front Office Midget

I'm sick of how villified both sides continue to be. Seeing people on the news protesting the shareholders meeting with "Favre not Thompson" shirts, and seeing people say Favre is nothing but an attention-hog... I really don't think either side is that much in the wrong.

There's no problem with Favre wanting to play, there's no problem with Thompson not wanting him in Green Bay.

Favre as a backup would be disastrous. In FOF terms it would be great, but that's absent of a crowd who will be chanting "We Want Favre" the first time Rodgers makes a mistake.

I am really enjoying all of this. I hope it continues.

[Fighter of Foo]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I am really enjoying all of this. I hope it continues.

I'm sick of it all as it's likely costing me $$$. Other than making fun of ESPN's coverage there's really nothing entertaining about it.