OT: HATStats, Great Hattrick stats!!!

FrogMan · 04-03-2003, 07:44 PM

This is an amazing site I just found on the Canadian conference. I don't think anybody has mentionned it yeat. It's called HATStats and there's one site for USA and a new one for Canada. They have been approved for scanning Hattrick, so they can get quite a lot of statistics.

The good news is that they don't rate the teams the same way HTSCB does, not with stars rating, but with the same rating we tend to use around here: the NevStar Index, although they don't call it that

The exact same thing, add all the positional ratings, counting midfield for triple its value. Simply visiting this site could make managing the rankings much much easier and less time consuming...

Anyway, here are the links:

HATStats Canada

HATStats USA

The Canada version still isn't complete (they still have a logo for HATStats England on the front page), but my guess is that the USA one is pretty much complete.

DataKing's Screamin' Seamen ranked 78th in div IV for week 14 of last season, while Lytic's SouthPark Cows ranked 56th.

The main and only difference between their way of ranking teams and the way I do it, is that I don't simply use the last week, but a weighted moving average of the last three weeks...

Now, go stats freaks, go munch and crunch some numbers

FrogMan

bbor · 04-03-2003, 07:49 PM

Hattstats looks soooo much like Asshat i had to laugh.

Qwikshot · 04-03-2003, 07:53 PM

WOW...good job.

Nyarlahotep · 04-03-2003, 08:13 PM

Sweet, I hadn't heard they had found a host for the US site yet. It will be nice to be able to see who gets promoted or demoted to where before it is offical.

Brillig · 04-03-2003, 08:31 PM

Ok, this is tres cool. Thanks for the linkage, FrogMan.

vex · 04-03-2003, 11:30 PM

This is awesome!

Coffee Warlord · 04-04-2003, 09:24 AM

Heh. I'm in 2nd of all of series V for....most weeks of injured players.

dacman · 04-04-2003, 11:10 AM

Are you planning on using this to compile our NSI ratings? Looks to be accurate for my team at least. Definately takes out some of the grunt work involved.

Nyarlahotep · 04-04-2003, 11:29 AM

For some reason it includes a match from before I took over the team on my record.

NevStar · 04-04-2003, 11:33 AM

It doesn't seem to have all the stats, yet. My team's cup match wasn't included & my team's value is listed as $0 (or 0 pounds, actually)

Very cool site, though. I'm glad they found someone to host it.

FrogMan · 04-04-2003, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dacman
Are you planning on using this to compile our NSI ratings? Looks to be accurate for my team at least. Definately takes out some of the grunt work involved.

I'll probably start with a thread asking FOFCer to post their game ratings, leaving a deadline of Monday night. To concentrate all the ratings in one long page would be really the fastest way (maybe about 5-10 seconds a team, compared to 20-30 if on Hattrick)Look for that thread in the dynasty forum at some point tomorrow, with instructions and an example as to how I need the ratings to be copy/pasted.

After that, for the missing ratings, my guess is that it would almost be a toss up between hunting the ratings on Hattrick and the HATStats site. Maybe a bit faster on the HATStats site, but not by much, since my sparser is quite helpful and I only need to copy/paste the ratings to compute the NSI...

FrogMan

illinifan999 · 04-04-2003, 03:24 PM

It still has players I sold at least 5 weeks ago, none of the teams in my series are right, all the teams have changed since the midle of last season.

TargetPractice6 · 04-04-2003, 05:45 PM

Okay heres the deal, with Hatstats USA. I looked around for a server, but to no avail. However Hatstats and HTSCB are now sharing the scanning duties which has allowed Hatstats to expand to different countries. Griggle HT mailed me since I was the one trying to get them.

They weren't suppose to be announced yet, the Canadian guy jumped the gun a bit. So you US guys, if you would do me a favor and keep the link of the conferences until griggle gives me the word I'd really appreciate it. Thanks guys.

vex · 04-04-2003, 06:16 PM

TP, welcome to FOFC! Good luck in the elections as it seems that you are the favorite!

illinifan999 · 04-04-2003, 06:24 PM

As we bring another veteran over. Exxxxxcellllent.

illinifan999 · 04-04-2003, 06:33 PM

Dola

What's the website for the HAM like program, Hattrickpoli?

FrogMan · 04-04-2003, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by illinifan999
What's the website for the HAM like program, Hattrickpoli?

I'm sure you thought "Hey, I won't say FrogMan out loud, but he'll have the answer"

There ya go:
HattrickPoli

FrogMan

illinifan999 · 04-04-2003, 06:42 PM

Exactly.

TargetPractice6 · 04-04-2003, 10:28 PM

Thanks for the welcome; I've been reading for the past few days (had to see what these dynasty reports were all about). Just haven't really wanted to post anything until now

BTW, goodluck to dataking as well. FOFC can be a powerful force when voting as one...

dacman · 04-04-2003, 11:12 PM

Wow, we pulled in a HT heavy hitter! Hello, TargetPractice.

*feels compled to go grab rifle*

MylesKnight · 04-06-2003, 01:20 PM

Thanks FrogMan, this is excellent stuff my friend..

By the way, can anyone get the Season 19 Cup Matches to load? Does it just take a while or what?

FrogMan · 04-06-2003, 01:51 PM

the cup matches took a long while in Canada and there are less game than in USA. Once it's done, it should show you every game of the 1st round, which is a lot. Interesting thing is that it will also tell yuo your seeding in the cup. My team is seeded #564 or so in Canada...

FrogMan

NYFAN · 04-06-2003, 04:00 PM

frogman that is awesome... i just found it... how does the NSI Week thing work?

NYFAN · 04-06-2003, 04:01 PM

Also, how are the rankings determined?

FrogMan · 04-06-2003, 08:04 PM

To NYFAN and naybody wondering about it, some day, I'll do some sort of FAQ about the rankings, but they are still kind of a novelty

NSI stands for NevStar Index since the way of computing the team rating was first proposed by BevStar. You simply add the numerical value of all your positional ratings of your game, giving 1 for disastrous, 2 for poor, 3 for weak, and so on, with the midfield rating counting for three times its value, since midfield is so important ni Hattrick. For example, taking my team's latest league game, it would be:

Pintendre Pittbulls
Midfield: weak (4*3=12)
Right Side Defence: passable (6)
Central Defence: passable (6)
Left Side Defence: passable (6)
Right Side Attack: weak (4)
Central Attack: poor (2)
Left Side Attack: weak (4)
NSI = 41

This is my team's NSI score for week 19.01. To do the rankings for a team in a given week, say for week 19.01, I do a weighted average of that team's last three league games, with the latest game having a weight of 3, the second latest a weight of 2 and the third one counting a single time, we then divide the sum by 6.

For my team again, its FOFC rankings score as of week 19.01 would be (41*3 + 42*2 + 42*1) / 6 = 41.5. This is the value that will be used to rank my team compared to all the other FOFCers.

Reason for the weighted average was to counter the fact that a team might have an injury to a key player and then would be penalized if in a given week they can't perform to their regular level...

Hope this helps...

BTW, the ratings on HATStats are made straight from your team's last game only.

FrogMan

NevStar · 04-06-2003, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FrogMan
NSI stands for NevStar Index since the way of computing the team rating was first proposed by BevStar.

BevStar...that's me.

Actually, I'd just as soon have them called "Match Ratings" and be done with it, especially as it seems that the Hatstats sites have used the same rating format...which sort of makes it "standard," if you'd like to call it that.

TargetPractice6 · 04-06-2003, 08:28 PM

Good news guys, HATStats USA should be 'officially' opened later tonight. Of course it is pretty much fully functional now...

McSweeny · 04-06-2003, 08:31 PM

really? the link is not working for me

Doug5984 · 04-06-2003, 08:32 PM

I have not been able to get to the site ever since the link was posted.......I guess it is just me....and maybe McSweeny also....

FrogMan · 04-06-2003, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NevStar
BevStar...that's me.

he he he

Sorry about that. Must have thought about your twin sister, Beverly Star, right?

FrogMan

illinifan999 · 04-06-2003, 08:33 PM

Anyone know how to retrieve the HTML source from a page? Trying to get some matches into Hattrickpoli.

mrushh · 04-06-2003, 08:47 PM

illinifan, if you have updated HPoli to latest version, it now retrieves the files correctly. At least it did for me.

FrogMan · 04-06-2003, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by illinifan999
Anyone know how to retrieve the HTML source from a page? Trying to get some matches into Hattrickpoli.

Simply open the page of the game you want to add in a new window, then right click anywhere in the page (not on a link) and select "view source". This should open a Notepad window with the HTML code in it. CTRL+A will select everything, then copy/paste it in the right window of HattrickPoli... Should do it, at least that's how I do it and it's working for me

FrogMan

FrogMan · 04-06-2003, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrushh
illinifan, if you have updated HPoli to latest version, it now retrieves the files correctly. At least it did for me.

What do you mean? Are you able to automatically retrieve match ratings??? I thought that feature was still not approved by Hattrick...

FrogMan

mrushh · 04-06-2003, 09:02 PM

I don't know about approval, but HPoli retrieved ALL my matches yesterday for me, automatically.

FrogMan · 04-06-2003, 09:05 PM

this is weird, I have the latest version installed and it's still telling that feature is disabled because it has not been approved by the HT developpers...

FrogMan

mrushh · 04-06-2003, 09:36 PM

I just tried again and it retrieved my file from tonight. I know it is new because it has the right stars for the new guys that haven't played for me before.
Maybe I am the guinea pig, or maybe the FBI or CIA is on the way to my house, but it works for me.

vex · 04-06-2003, 11:28 PM

Doesn't work for me that way.

Havok · 04-07-2003, 10:04 PM

great site
i love it

mrushh · 04-07-2003, 11:10 PM

Did anyone else get it to work? I can look under 'View/Matches" and it has my last 6 listed with teams and all my rankings for each position. Only thing missing is most of the crowd size line.

illinifan999 · 04-08-2003, 06:42 AM

Just doesn't want to let me view source. I click it, and nothing happens. No notepad or anything new open up.

FrogMan · 04-08-2003, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by illinifan999
Just doesn't want to let me view source. I click it, and nothing happens. No notepad or anything new open up.

If you are using windows XP and IE, you might need to clear your cache before being able to "view source". It did that to me. I cleared my cache and it worked just fine afterward. Beware, if you haven't cleared your cache in a while, it may take a loooong time... Good luck!

FrogMan

illinifan999 · 04-08-2003, 03:35 PM

Hmm, that might do it. How do you clear a cache?

mckerney · 04-08-2003, 04:16 PM

I have no problem getting matches automatically with HattrickPoli

FrogMan · 04-08-2003, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by illinifan999
Hmm, that might do it. How do you clear a cache?

Under "tools", go to "Internet Options", in the middle there, there's a section called "Temporary Internet Files". Click on "delete files" right there. Should do it.

FrogMan

illinifan999 · 04-08-2003, 08:25 PM

Thanks FrogMan that worked.

Qwikshot · 04-08-2003, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mckerney
I have no problem getting matches automatically with HattrickPoli

How?

Do you have supporter?

I have to copy the source and paste...

Nyarlahotep · 04-08-2003, 11:22 PM

Sounds like a pain. I'll stick with HAM.

Alf · 04-09-2003, 08:23 AM

I'm fine with HAM, and it's worth my 7.5 Euros

04-03-2003, 07:49 PM	#2
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Hattstats looks soooo much like Asshat i had to laugh. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

04-03-2003, 07:53 PM	#3
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	WOW...good job. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

04-04-2003, 11:10 AM	#8
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	Are you planning on using this to compile our NSI ratings? Looks to be accurate for my team at least. Definately takes out some of the grunt work involved. __________________ No signatures allowed.

04-04-2003, 11:33 AM	#10
NevStar High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Raleigh, NC	It doesn't seem to have all the stats, yet. My team's cup match wasn't included & my team's value is listed as $0 (or 0 pounds, actually) Very cool site, though. I'm glad they found someone to host it. __________________ I can't think of a clever signature.

04-04-2003, 03:24 PM	#12
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	It still has players I sold at least 5 weeks ago, none of the teams in my series are right, all the teams have changed since the midle of last season. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

04-03-2003, 08:13 PM	#4
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	Sweet, I hadn't heard they had found a host for the US site yet. It will be nice to be able to see who gets promoted or demoted to where before it is offical.

04-03-2003, 08:31 PM	#5
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	Ok, this is tres cool. Thanks for the linkage, FrogMan.

04-03-2003, 11:30 PM	#6
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	This is awesome!

04-04-2003, 09:24 AM	#7
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Heh. I'm in 2nd of all of series V for....most weeks of injured players.

04-04-2003, 11:29 AM	#9
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	For some reason it includes a match from before I took over the team on my record.

04-04-2003, 05:45 PM	#13
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	Okay heres the deal, with Hatstats USA. I looked around for a server, but to no avail. However Hatstats and HTSCB are now sharing the scanning duties which has allowed Hatstats to expand to different countries. Griggle HT mailed me since I was the one trying to get them. They weren't suppose to be announced yet, the Canadian guy jumped the gun a bit. So you US guys, if you would do me a favor and keep the link of the conferences until griggle gives me the word I'd really appreciate it. Thanks guys.

04-04-2003, 06:16 PM	#14
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	TP, welcome to FOFC! Good luck in the elections as it seems that you are the favorite!

04-04-2003, 06:24 PM	#15
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	As we bring another veteran over. Exxxxxcellllent. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

04-04-2003, 06:33 PM	#16
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Dola What's the website for the HAM like program, Hattrickpoli? __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

04-04-2003, 06:42 PM	#18
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Exactly. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

04-04-2003, 10:28 PM	#19
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	Thanks for the welcome; I've been reading for the past few days (had to see what these dynasty reports were all about). Just haven't really wanted to post anything until now BTW, goodluck to dataking as well. FOFC can be a powerful force when voting as one...

04-04-2003, 11:12 PM	#20
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	Wow, we pulled in a HT heavy hitter! Hello, TargetPractice. feels compled to go grab rifle __________________ No signatures allowed.

04-06-2003, 01:20 PM	#21
MylesKnight College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Neptune Beach, Florida	Thanks FrogMan, this is excellent stuff my friend.. By the way, can anyone get the Season 19 Cup Matches to load? Does it just take a while or what? __________________ IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BLACK & GOLD!!

04-06-2003, 01:51 PM	#22
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	the cup matches took a long while in Canada and there are less game than in USA. Once it's done, it should show you every game of the 1st round, which is a lot. Interesting thing is that it will also tell yuo your seeding in the cup. My team is seeded #564 or so in Canada... FrogMan __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

04-06-2003, 04:00 PM	#23
NYFAN High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Marietta, OH	frogman that is awesome... i just found it... how does the NSI Week thing work? __________________ "Adversity never improves your character, it only reveals it." - Jeff Van Gundy "It was me against the world, but it made me strong" -Sprewell

04-06-2003, 04:01 PM	#24
NYFAN High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Marietta, OH	Also, how are the rankings determined? __________________ "Adversity never improves your character, it only reveals it." - Jeff Van Gundy "It was me against the world, but it made me strong" -Sprewell

04-06-2003, 08:04 PM	#25
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	To NYFAN and naybody wondering about it, some day, I'll do some sort of FAQ about the rankings, but they are still kind of a novelty NSI stands for NevStar Index since the way of computing the team rating was first proposed by BevStar. You simply add the numerical value of all your positional ratings of your game, giving 1 for disastrous, 2 for poor, 3 for weak, and so on, with the midfield rating counting for three times its value, since midfield is so important ni Hattrick. For example, taking my team's latest league game, it would be: Pintendre Pittbulls Midfield: weak (43=12) Right Side Defence: passable (6) Central Defence: passable (6) Left Side Defence: passable (6) Right Side Attack: weak (4) Central Attack: poor (2) Left Side Attack: weak (4) NSI = 41* This is my team's NSI score for week 19.01. To do the rankings for a team in a given week, say for week 19.01, I do a weighted average of that team's last three league games, with the latest game having a weight of 3, the second latest a weight of 2 and the third one counting a single time, we then divide the sum by 6. For my team again, its FOFC rankings score as of week 19.01 would be (413 + 422 + 421) / 6 = 41.5. This is the value that will be used to rank my team compared to all the other FOFCers. Reason for the weighted average was to counter the fact that a team might have an injury to a key player and then would be penalized if in a given week they can't perform to their regular level... Hope this helps... BTW, the ratings on HATStats are made straight from your team's last game only. FrogMan __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up...* follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

04-06-2003, 08:28 PM	#27
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	Good news guys, HATStats USA should be 'officially' opened later tonight. Of course it is pretty much fully functional now...

04-06-2003, 08:31 PM	#28
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	really? the link is not working for me

04-06-2003, 08:32 PM	#29
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	I have not been able to get to the site ever since the link was posted.......I guess it is just me....and maybe McSweeny also....

04-06-2003, 08:33 PM	#31
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Anyone know how to retrieve the HTML source from a page? Trying to get some matches into Hattrickpoli. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

04-06-2003, 08:47 PM	#32
mrushh High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dallas,Tx	illinifan, if you have updated HPoli to latest version, it now retrieves the files correctly. At least it did for me. __________________ Visit "Cowtown, Arise. A TCU- TCY Dynasty" in the Dynasty section.

04-06-2003, 09:02 PM	#35
mrushh High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dallas,Tx	I don't know about approval, but HPoli retrieved ALL my matches yesterday for me, automatically. __________________ Visit "Cowtown, Arise. A TCU- TCY Dynasty" in the Dynasty section.

04-06-2003, 09:05 PM	#36
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	this is weird, I have the latest version installed and it's still telling that feature is disabled because it has not been approved by the HT developpers... FrogMan __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

04-06-2003, 09:36 PM	#37
mrushh High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dallas,Tx	I just tried again and it retrieved my file from tonight. I know it is new because it has the right stars for the new guys that haven't played for me before. Maybe I am the guinea pig, or maybe the FBI or CIA is on the way to my house, but it works for me. __________________ Visit "Cowtown, Arise. A TCU- TCY Dynasty" in the Dynasty section.

04-06-2003, 11:28 PM	#38
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Doesn't work for me that way.

04-07-2003, 10:04 PM	#39
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	great site i love it __________________ Maniacal Misfitz - We're better than you and we know it!

04-07-2003, 11:10 PM	#40
mrushh High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dallas,Tx	Did anyone else get it to work? I can look under 'View/Matches" and it has my last 6 listed with teams and all my rankings for each position. Only thing missing is most of the crowd size line. __________________ Visit "Cowtown, Arise. A TCU- TCY Dynasty" in the Dynasty section.

04-08-2003, 06:42 AM	#41
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Just doesn't want to let me view source. I click it, and nothing happens. No notepad or anything new open up. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

04-08-2003, 03:35 PM	#43
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Hmm, that might do it. How do you clear a cache? __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"