Red River Shootout!

[Noop]

Texas more then likely won't lose a game this season. I won't be shocked to see them win the national title.

[ISiddiqui]

Nice pass.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I just realized that I don't think this game is on TV here in the Pittsburgh area. I can watch Holy Cross and Lehigh, though!

[Cuckoo]

Bad, bad for OU so far. Not taking advantage of the opportunities and the passing game looks horrible. Texas is talented, that's for sure. If they didn't fumble the ball around, this could be a lot worse.

Here's hoping Stoops figures something out at halftime, but I'm not too confident. Hopefully, OU can make it a game and not fold up.

[IMetTrentGreen]

looks like the blueprint to beating ou, that has been out for 3 years, has finally made its way into the texas game plan

if im a sooner fan i'm worried right now. the best qb on my roster is a complete fraud. my oline sucks, no gamebreakers on offense except peterson, and he's a career ending injury waiting to happen

if texas holds on, ou is 2-4 in their last 6, with onnly two good teams in there. usc raped them, and texas is well on its way. ouch

[Noop]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

looks like the blueprint to beating ou, that has been out for 3 years, has finally made its way into the texas game plan

if im a sooner fan i'm worried right now. the best qb on my roster is a complete fraud. my oline sucks, no gamebreakers on offense except peterson, and he's a career ending injury waiting to happen

if texas holds on, ou is 2-4 in their last 6, with onnly two good teams in there. usc raped them, and texas is well on its way. ouch

Please shut up.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Noop

Please shut up.

You have to cut him some slack, Noop. He has had to repress all this for so long, and now Texas finally gets their moment in the sun. I can kind of understand it, as ignorant as it is.

My thinking is: the highs are never as high as they seem and vice versa in college football. IMTG hasn't quite figured that out, I don't think.

Or else, he has and just doesn't care about his credibility. Either one are believable to me.

[Cuckoo]

Well, I'll throw in my congratulations to the Longhorns and their fans. I've had some trash-talking back and forth the past few years with some of them, but you guys deserve a congrats this year.

Texas is a good team, and I think that if they can keep their occasionally sloppy play under control, they have a legitimate shot to play in the National Championship.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Since this game is not on television here, I'd just like to point out that the Holy Cross/Lehigh game has been a good one. Lehigh just fumbled the ball away on their comeback attempt. It was their 11th fumble of the game and 3rd lost. Holy Cross has won on the road, 13-10. The reason for the fumbles is that it's a very, very sloppy field today out in Bethlehem, PA. I'm glad that I got to see some of this great Patriot League rumble.

Uh, right.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Only night games are truly national for ABC. (Friday after Thanksgiving games as well) Everything else is regional. You get Mississippi State because, well, you're in Mississippi. I'm not an attorney, but I'd strongly advise against a lawsuit. You have zero chance at winning it.

Yah I wasn't really planning on it. It just pisses me off that ABC had commercials about the Red River Showdown but didn't even televise it for us. I was forced to watch Secrets of the YaYa Sisterhood because there were no decent games on!

[Vegas Vic]

Congratulations to the Horns fans. OU got taken to the woodshed today. Good luck the rest of the season, and I hope you didn't sustain any serious injuries today.

[IMetTrentGreen]

i love you guys. doubt doubt doubt doubt

im never fucking wrong, though. the fact that im arguing with cuckoo, who has a litmited understanding of football, and a semi literate high schooler is why i dont post much anymore. enjoy the alamo bowl, losers

[IMetTrentGreen]

My thinking is: the highs are never as high as they seem and vice versa in college football. IMTG hasn't quite figured that out, I don't think.

oh what the fuck ever. i called this sooner collapse 3 years ago. i called the beatdowns by ksu, lsu, and usc. i told you peterson wouldn't do shit without all that talent they lost. its not going to get any better next year, either. i also told everyone this would be mack's best team, despite losing benson and johnson. nobody wants to listen

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

...why i dont post much anymore...

It's things like this that I count as blessings on dark days such as this.

[Airhog]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

oh what the fuck ever. i called this sooner collapse 3 years ago. i called the beatdowns by ksu, lsu, and usc. i told you peterson wouldn't do shit without all that talent they lost. its not going to get any better next year, either. i also told everyone this would be mack's best team, despite losing benson and johnson. nobody wants to listen

So Texas wins one game in six years against it, and you called it? You've been giving us the same tired lines for the last 3-4 years IMTG. Nobody listens because you say the same thing every year. And it doesn't help your case when you act like a child and call cuckoo names either

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Airhog

So Texas wins one game in six years against it, and you called it? You've been giving us the same tired lines for the last 3-4 years IMTG.

Give him more credit than that. It's more like 5 years. "Rocky Calmus is overrated", "Teddy Lehman sucks", "Roy Williams is overrated", "Tommie Harris sucks", "Nate Hybl sucks", "Quentin Griffin sucks"...... the list goes on and on.

[jackyl]

Cuckoo/Airhog/other OU backers,

The biggest problem I see with OU is under center. Josh Heipel, Nate Hybl, and Jason White weren't all world recruits. They were gutty kids that could lead a team and make good reads in a wide-open offense. Actually, White, Hybl, and Heipel's greatest strengths were to get the ball to the playmakers and not try to be one.

I live in Fort Worth, just down I-30 from Rhett Bomar's Grand Prairie HS. What I seem to remember about him is that his teams sucked, and he was a stathog that went to QB camps and impressed the hell out of people. I don't think he'd ever been into the playoffs despite starting for three years or so.

Now don't get me wrong, as a UT alum I'm awful happy with the victory today, but it somehow rings hollow. A-Pete wasn't a factor and if this wasn't Red River weekend he wouldn't have even dressed. Travis Wilson looked ready to slap Bomar for not getting him the ball. Kejuan Jones, while a pretty good back, is your Selvin Young.

Even with us losing the last five years, I liked this game a lot better when both teams were at the top of the polls and their games, not when one is a sitting duck like OU seemed to be today.

And I for one won't be surprised if Stoops pulls a Bill Snyder and the top rated JuCo QB in the country is taking snaps in Norman next season.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by jackyl

Cuckoo/Airhog/other OU backers,

The biggest problem I see with OU is under center. Josh Heipel, Nate Hybl, and Jason White weren't all world recruits. They were gutty kids that could lead a team and make good reads in a wide-open offense. Actually, White, Hybl, and Heipel's greatest strengths were to get the ball to the playmakers and not try to be one.

I live in Fort Worth, just down I-30 from Rhett Bomar's Grand Prairie HS. What I seem to remember about him is that his teams sucked, and he was a stathog that went to QB camps and impressed the hell out of people. I don't think he'd ever been into the playoffs despite starting for three years or so.

Now don't get me wrong, as a UT alum I'm awful happy with the victory today, but it somehow rings hollow. A-Pete wasn't a factor and if this wasn't Red River weekend he wouldn't have even dressed. Travis Wilson looked ready to slap Bomar for not getting him the ball. Kejuan Jones, while a pretty good back, is your Selvin Young.

Even with us losing the last five years, I liked this game a lot better when both teams were at the top of the polls and their games, not when one is a sitting duck like OU seemed to be today.

And I for one won't be surprised if Stoops pulls a Bill Snyder and the top rated JuCo QB in the country is taking snaps in Norman next season.

Interesting analysis. At the beginning of the game I wouldn't have called OU a "sitting duck." Part of that was because I didn't know what to expect from them. I saw some good things against Kansas State, not that I think KSU is a great team but neither were TCU or Tulsa.

After the game, I'd say I feel like I know a lot more about OU now. But I still feel like I don't know a lot about Bomar.

I appreciate hearing your analysis, coming from someone who has seen him play in H.S. I think, by all accounts, he has the talent. But you're definitely right, he has not shown an ability to get the ball to playmakers.

Will that come in time? I have no idea, honestly. OU may be in for some serious growing pains as we wait to find out. But I disagree with your last part. I think Stoops will try to make Bomar into what he wants him to be rather than essentially giving up and going JUCO. He may fail in the process, but he'll give it all he has.

[jackyl]

I didn't really consider them a sitting duck until as soon as I found out A-Pete wasn't starting due to his ankle. But if the Sooners can't beat UCLA or the Frogs with Peterson, how in the hell are they supposed to get after a team like Texas without him?

As a respectful rival, I just hope OU can find some direction and finish strong after one bitch of an early season. I'd hate for the streak to end against an OU squad limping into the Houston Bowl when the season ends.

On the JuCo subject, since Thompson isn't serious competition for Bomar anymore, maybe Rhett needs some hotshit QB to come in and drive him to a higher level. Who else is on the OU roster? All I can think of is that kid from Austin High.

One more thing. I still don't think I've ever seen a frosh QB (even one that was redshirted) audible as mush as I saw today.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by jackyl

I didn't really consider them a sitting duck until as soon as I found out A-Pete wasn't starting due to his ankle. But if the Sooners can't beat UCLA or the Frogs with Peterson, how in the hell are they supposed to get after a team like Texas without him?

As a respectful rival, I just hope OU can find some direction and finish strong after one bitch of an early season. I'd hate for the streak to end against an OU squad limping into the Houston Bowl when the season ends.

On the JuCo subject, since Thompson isn't serious competition for Bomar anymore, maybe Rhett needs some hotshit QB to come in and drive him to a higher level. Who else is on the OU roster? All I can think of is that kid from Austin High.

One more thing. I still don't think I've ever seen a frosh QB (even one that was redshirted) audible as mush as I saw today.

Well, with the audibling, that seemed to be some strange tactic OU was using. They had him go to the line, then they were giving him playcalls from the sidelines. They haven't done that this season much, and it was driving me nuts.

Peterson has been hobbled all season, and I had a sneaking suspicion he wouldn't play much in this game. I think they need to shut him down a week or two and let that thing heal. He wasn't much help after the injury in the TCU game and had some issues with it against KSU last week too. That said, Texas beats OU today even if Peterson plays.

As for who else OU has, after Bomar and Thompson, that's it. The kid from Texas is a walk-on (can't even remember his name, but he's the son of the Texas 3rd stringer who came in and beat OU so many years back). OU has a commit from a kid in Oklahoma City who is considered a 4 star I think by rivals. All indications are he's a decent pocket-passer without as much running ability as Bomar. I haven't seen him play personally, but his stats thus far are only mediocre (although that can be misleading).

I just want to say jackyl that I appreciate you having an intelligent discussion. There are several Texas fans around this board that do, and I have a few Texas fan friends as well. Unfortunately, sometimes people on one side or the other can't do that.

[sachmo71]

For my friend who was spit on and who's wife was slapped by fans while at an away game at OU...this feels nice.

[Airhog]

I firmly believe that OU hasn't had a really good QB since Heupel, and that may not even be that true. Since 2000, OU has only has an average of 3 games that were close. Their PA has been less than 3 touchdown from 2004-2000. I think we just had a great defense those years, and the QB never felt pressure to win the ballgame on a weekly basis. And look at those games were our defense was beaten. We usually lost. The alabama game at alabama is really the only game I can remember that was won by a great drive from our QB. There may be a few others, but this memory stands our for me.

I'm just not convinced that Stoops can recruit the great QB's yet. Getting a high ranked QB from rivals.com doesnt mean anything if he doesnt produce.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

I think, by all accounts, he has the talent. But you're definitely right, he has not shown an ability to get the ball to playmakers.

In large part because they're now playing for the Bears, Ravens and Titans. Travis Wilson isn't even close in talent to Bradley, Clayton or Brandon Jones. The two freshman have some potential, but they're about as green as you can get right now.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

In large part because they're now playing for the Bears, Ravens and Titans. Travis Wilson isn't even close in talent to Bradley, Clayton or Brandon Jones. The two freshman have some potential, but they're about as green as you can get right now.

All three will be starting this Sunday for their respective teams. That says a lot about the talent they lost at the receiver position.

[Huckleberry]

Bomar will be fine. He needs a serviceable OL and decent receivers. He looked like a freshman playing a good Texas team in the Texas/OU game yesterday. It happens. Combine it with a crappy line and subpar receivers and I'm not sure what you were expecting.

The McEachern kid from Austin High is atrocious. I'm an Austin High alum and I watched him play several times. There's a reason Paul Thompson is still getting the work at backup even though he's a receiver.

As for Austin High kids, I'm surprised Fred Strong has had zero impact whatsoever. Good athlete. I recall him beating a Michael Griffin/Marcus Griffin double team for a TD when he was a junior and they were seniors. Michael, of course, starts for Texas at safety. The pass was predictably a floater from McEachern but he made a play on it after outrunning the Griffins.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by jackyl

And I for one won't be surprised if Stoops pulls a Bill Snyder and the top rated JuCo QB in the country is taking snaps in Norman next season.

And although it's obviously nothing conclusive yet, I found this in this morning's Oklahoman and thought I'd back up jackyl's point.

Originally Posted by Daily Oklahoman

Stepping back: Stoops said quarterback Rhett Bomar “probably took a step backward” in the loss to Texas. Bomar completed 12 of 33 passes for 94 yards, and misfired badly on several early in the game. Coaches also said he held the ball too long against Texas’ pressure.

“I think it was pretty obvious (Bomar took a step backward), compared to how he had played in the UCLA and Kansas State games,” Stoops said. “Again, we still are very encouraged that he’s capable of it, and for whatever reasons, he wasn’t as productive or consistent or played like he’s capable (against Texas).”

When a reporter asked if OU would consider recruiting a junior-college quarterback, Stoops said, “it’s a possibility.”

Emphasis mine.

[cartman]

It sounds like Bomar is taking the Chris Simms college career track.