regarding NFL kicker injury...

jackyl · 09-26-2005, 01:45 AM

Is it just me or is it becoming common for positional players to be kicking lately? I remember the big deal that was made last year about Wes Welker in Miami kicking a PAT and a FG last season. Today though, I saw Mike Simoneau of the Eagles try to kick an extra point and Mike Bartrum kick off.

And didn't some other team have to resort to this earlier this season?

Vince · 09-26-2005, 01:46 AM

The Eagles have done it two weeks in a row.

Karlifornia · 09-26-2005, 03:31 AM

Sometimes the Cowboys have Jose Cortez doing the field goals, extra points, and kickoffs. I'm not sure what position he plays, but I don't think he's normally a kicker....

sterlingice · 09-26-2005, 03:40 AM

After the injury problems Akers had last week, I still don't get why the Eagles didn't dress a second kicker.

SI

korme · 09-26-2005, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

Sometimes the Cowboys have Jose Cortez doing the field goals, extra points, and kickoffs. I'm not sure what position he plays, but I don't think he's normally a kicker....

Do you follow the NFL? He's only a kicker.

Alf · 09-26-2005, 04:35 AM

Shorty : I guess this was a joke as Cortez was kicking in SAn Francisco a few years ago

Philliesfan980 · 09-26-2005, 04:40 AM

What really gets me is the fact that Dirk Johnson (the Eagles punter) can't go out there and make an extra point.

Raiders Army · 09-26-2005, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

What really gets me is the fact that Dirk Johnson (the Eagles punter) can't go out there and make an extra point.

Great point.

Edit--Wait, isn't he the holder? If he's the holder, then you would have to find another holder. *shrug*

bhlloy · 09-26-2005, 06:15 AM

PAT's - Simoneau has done OK (haven't seen yesterday's but the one last week was easily good) and to be honest I doubt a punter would be much more accurate. On a PAT leg strength isn't exactly an issue, and I'm sure he's kicked before which is why he's doing it now. Plus like somebody pointed out Johnson is the holder, so I guess they don't want to shuffle the unit around.

Kick offs is bizarre, I cannot believe a position player would have a stronger leg than the punter??

cthomer5000 · 09-26-2005, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Do you follow the NFL? He's only a kicker.

I think you need to head to the shop to have your humor unit repaired.

JimboJ · 09-26-2005, 08:02 AM

Dirk Johnson is not the holder, its Koy Detmer.

And I guess Johnson can only kick the ball when its in the air, not on the ground.

Rizon · 09-26-2005, 08:11 AM

Can't you free-kick on a kickoff?

Wolfpack · 09-26-2005, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rizon

Can't you free-kick on a kickoff?

I was just thinking that myself. I think the reason punters normally don't do it is because kickers can get the ball 65-70 yards usually on kickoffs, but punters on average will only get it about 55-60 (given punters usually gross 40-45 and that they're standing 10-15 yards behind the line on punts). Another reason is I think a kicker is less likely to shank it than a punter. Of course, why this doesn't hold for free kicks after safetys, I don't know. As I understand it, it's perfectly legal to tee the ball up after a safety.

wbatl1 · 09-26-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Kick offs is bizarre, I cannot believe a position player would have a stronger leg than the punter??

I guess it depends on the guy, but the punter actually handles kickoffs on a lot of teams.

Raiders Army · 09-26-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JimboJ

Dirk Johnson is not the holder, its Koy Detmer.

And I guess Johnson can only kick the ball when its in the air, not on the ground.

Then this only confirms the Eagles are gay.

Philliesfan980 · 09-26-2005, 05:41 PM

Just heard from a buddy at work today that Johnson can't do any kind of placekicking. He was actually a safety in college and converted to punter real late in the game. Sorta like Tom Tupa I guess.

sterlingice · 09-26-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

Just heard from a buddy at work today that Johnson can't do any kind of placekicking. He was actually a safety in college and converted to punter real late in the game. Sorta like Tom Tupa I guess.

Yeah, except Tom Tupa could punt, pass, kick, play safety, go entire games without water or oxygen, leap tall buildings in a single bound, complete large real estate transactions, broker peace in the Middle East and Balkans , stop erupting volcanos, succeed at intergalactic space travel, and save the earth, not once, not twice, but thrice from the deadly Zoltharians. So there's really no comparison.

SI

sovereignstar · 09-26-2005, 06:04 PM

You forgot to mention that he could shoot fireballs out of his arse.

vex · 09-26-2005, 06:30 PM

Just happened to me in FOF:

Jeremy Mink, K - Strained Calf Muscle, Out, full strength in about 3 weeks.

Brenden Mayes, P - Hyperextended Knee, Out, full strength in about 3 weeks.

BigJohn&TheLions · 09-26-2005, 06:44 PM

What ever happened to the art of drop-kicking?

wbatl1 · 09-26-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

What ever happened to the art of drop-kicking?

It didn't do anybody good once people learned that you could be accurate by a normal kick

. Seriously, the guys on the local sports talk were talking about the last time it was made, and tt was in the early 60's. I hope you don't remember that, since your still in college.

Philliesfan980 · 09-26-2005, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yeah, except Tom Tupa could punt, pass, kick, play safety, go entire games without water or oxygen, leap tall buildings in a single bound, complete large real estate transactions, broker peace in the Middle East and Balkans , stop erupting volcanos, succeed at intergalactic space travel, and save the earth, not once, not twice, but thrice from the deadly Zoltharians. So there's really no comparison.

SI

Tupa was great. I still remember Parcells putting him in when Testeverde got injured during that game in 99 I believe.

BigJohn&TheLions · 09-26-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wbatl1

It didn't do anybody good once people learned that you could be accurate by a normal kick

. Seriously, the guys on the local sports talk were talking about the last time it was made, and tt was in the early 60's. I hope you don't remember that, since your still in college.

Actually, the "normal" kick back then was the drop kick. The "normal" kick today is what was known as "soccer style" back then. I wonder if dropkicking is even legal today. What would happen in a game if a guy drop-kicked for a FG? Would it count?

And thanks for noticing my yoot! (I'm on a Couzin Vinny kick after Family Guyt...)

wbatl1 · 09-26-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

Actually, the "normal" kick back then was the drop kick. The "normal" kick today is what was known as "soccer style" back then. I wonder if dropkicking is even legal today. What would happen in a game if a guy drop-kicked for a FG? Would it count?

And thanks for noticing my yoot! (I'm on a Couzin Vinny kick after Family Guyt...)

The sports talk guys gave the impression that it was still legal, just not used at all. I would really like to see someone try.

JeeberD · 09-26-2005, 08:10 PM

That was discussed earlier in the week. Check out this thread...

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ad.php?t=42806

Airhog · 09-26-2005, 10:19 PM

Maybe some of the guys kicked in Highschool or something, you never can tell. It seems to me that at most smaller schools, the kicker does double duty and kicks all three..

Wolfpack · 09-27-2005, 09:39 AM

John Deraney handles all the duties at NC State. The concern, however, is that doing all three overworks him to some extent, not to mention the fact that we don't really have viable backups if he goes down right now.

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09-26-2005, 04:40 AM	#7
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	What really gets me is the fact that Dirk Johnson (the Eagles punter) can't go out there and make an extra point.

09-26-2005, 06:15 AM	#9
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	PAT's - Simoneau has done OK (haven't seen yesterday's but the one last week was easily good) and to be honest I doubt a punter would be much more accurate. On a PAT leg strength isn't exactly an issue, and I'm sure he's kicked before which is why he's doing it now. Plus like somebody pointed out Johnson is the holder, so I guess they don't want to shuffle the unit around. Kick offs is bizarre, I cannot believe a position player would have a stronger leg than the punter??

09-26-2005, 08:02 AM	#11
JimboJ High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2003	Dirk Johnson is not the holder, its Koy Detmer. And I guess Johnson can only kick the ball when its in the air, not on the ground.

09-26-2005, 05:41 PM	#16
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	Just heard from a buddy at work today that Johnson can't do any kind of placekicking. He was actually a safety in college and converted to punter real late in the game. Sorta like Tom Tupa I guess.

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