Officialish FOFC Cup III signup thread - Page 2

Aylmar · 03-25-2003, 10:42 AM

The Aardvarks are in. Now I just have to remember not to schedule a friendly that week...

condors · 03-25-2003, 03:41 PM

the condors are ready to lose again

The Afoci · 03-25-2003, 03:54 PM

The owner of the west fargo stangs doesn't want to sign up to this board but he wants to be in the FOFC cup. He is in the FOFC in hattrick. Is this possible?

QuikSand · 03-25-2003, 04:17 PM

Chesapeake Cheapshots are in.

Aesyrqwe · 03-25-2003, 05:40 PM

Count White Sox Pride in..

mrushh · 03-25-2003, 06:04 PM

Cowtown FC is ready......

and we are ready for the Consolation bracket, too.

fflix · 03-25-2003, 06:50 PM

booger ballers are in

GrantDawg · 03-26-2003, 02:58 AM

The Newton Rams are in.

Airhog · 03-26-2003, 04:20 AM

Im in once again

Airhog · 03-26-2003, 04:21 AM

dola, but as runner up in the consolation cup, do I get a bye in the first round?

just kidding

astralhaze · 03-26-2003, 04:22 AM

Sign me on up. Hamas Mad Bombers.

illinifan999 · 03-26-2003, 07:43 PM

I'm in.

sterlingice · 03-26-2003, 07:51 PM

Whoa- this looks like it's going to be a 64 team tourney like the NCAA or something. Can I rig it like Syracuse and have all (one) of my games within a few miles of Houston?

SI

Qwikshot · 03-26-2003, 10:58 PM

I just got my team official, the Ultra Nox are in baby...

heybrad · 03-26-2003, 11:10 PM

The Los Alamitos Fury would like to be included.

JHandley · 03-27-2003, 07:22 PM

The Eugene Emeralds are in

Rich1033 · 03-28-2003, 04:22 AM

The Toledo Drunkards are in.

I am actually happy with my team for the first time. Hopefully I can get past the first round.

HornedFrog Purple · 03-28-2003, 05:56 AM

Let me address a couple of questions:

Quote:

Alf Trickers are in. Are we playing home/away series ?

This has yet to be determined which is why I started the preliminary signup to try and figure out a format with this many teams.

Quote:

a guy i work with doesn't want to sign up for the forum, but he is part of the FOFC fed, he is the West Fargo Stangs. He wants in.

He sure can. But I need to get him on dacman's list if he isnt there already. One of the reasons is because FrogMan uses that list to compile his FOFC rankings which I intend on using for seedings (minus the automatics)

Here are some preliminary ideas:

It looks like the best way to go with this thus far is group play. What this means is you are in a group of 4 or 5 teams and you play the 3 or 4 other teams once

The winner of each group which will be based on a points system which I will figure out

will advance to the single elimination style tournament like we have been doing.

Right now if we use 16 groups with 5 teams in each group we can play 80 teams and we are getting close to that number right now. I may have to make 80 teams the cutoff, I dunno. As of this post we have 62 teams (counting ardent below)

Also ardent is having trouble getting to this board and even though I am having a little difficulty emailing him, I am submitting the Raiders for him.

We have some time to sort this all out so there is no need to worry.

leverb66 · 03-28-2003, 11:54 AM

West Fargo Stangs (71910) are in!

Calis · 03-31-2003, 01:47 PM

Count my Plowboys in!

auwillie · 03-31-2003, 01:57 PM

Seagrove United is also in.....Auwillie

lytic · 03-31-2003, 02:16 PM

I'll join if it's not too late and I exit from the cup early enough...

Brillig · 03-31-2003, 03:22 PM

I'd recommend a format of 6 teams per group - it takes 5 weeks to schedule a 5-team group or a 6-team group anyway... Since that means there would only be 11 (or so) groups, I'd suggest that the second place teams in each group have a 1-week playoff to see who advances along with the first place teams in the 'Sweet 16'.

That way, those of us who get seeded into a 'group of death' have a glimmer of hope....

AccardoOutfit29 · 03-31-2003, 04:40 PM

Count the McGees in.

-Panther · 04-01-2003, 03:07 PM

Ok I'll bite. Sign me up. I'll be the first 'Rookie Underdog' to sweep both the USA Cup and FOFC Cup muhahaha

Alf · 04-02-2003, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brillig
I'd recommend a format of 6 teams per group - it takes 5 weeks to schedule a 5-team group or a 6-team group anyway... Since that means there would only be 11 (or so) groups, I'd suggest that the second place teams in each group have a 1-week playoff to see who advances along with the first place teams in the 'Sweet 16'.

That way, those of us who get seeded into a 'group of death' have a glimmer of hope....

Or we could have 16 groups of 4 or 5 teams and qualify 2 teams per group => 32 teams

HornedFrog Purple · 04-02-2003, 01:11 PM

Ok the total # of teams is 68.

Here are some thoughts:

17 groups @ 4 a group, 17 group winners + 15 2nd place finishers=32 for single elimination.

13 groups @ 5 a group (65 teams), 13 group winners + MoKan, the_herd and ausonny (#1, 2 and 3 seeds)

11 groups @ 6 a group (66 teams), 11 group winners + MoKan & the_herd + best 3 2nd place finishes.

Math whizzes feel free to come up with more.

Brillig · 04-02-2003, 01:41 PM

A number of alternatives that go from 7 to 11 weeks. The first three are the ones HFP put up...

17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to single elimination (5 weeks)
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Total (8 weeks)

13 groups of 5 teams (5 weeks)
16 teams advance to single elimination (4 weeks)
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Total (9 weeks)

11 groups of 6 teams (5 weeks)
16 teams advance to single elimination (4 weeks)
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Total (9 weeks)

68 team pure single elimination (7 weeks)
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Total (7 weeks)

68 team double elimination (8 weeks)
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Total (8 weeks)

17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to second round group play - 8 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
8 first place teams go to single elimination (3 weeks)
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Total (9 weeks)

17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to second round group play - 8 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
8 first place teams and 8 second place teams go to single elimination (4 weeks)
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Total (10 weeks) <=== I kind of like this one

8 groups of 6 teams and 4 groups of 5 teams (5 weeks)
12 first place teams, 12 second place teams, 8 third place teams from the 6 team groups go to single elimination (5 weeks)
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Total (10 weeks)

8 groups of 6 teams and 4 groups of 5 teams (5 weeks)
12 first place teams, 12 second place teams advance to second round group play of 6 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
6 first place teams and 2 second place teams go to single elimination (3 weeks)
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Total (11 weeks)

lytic · 04-02-2003, 02:00 PM

We will all be in the Cup for at least 2 rounds, probably 3... I think the 7 week one (pure single elim) would make the most sense this season.

vex · 04-02-2003, 02:01 PM

17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to second round group play - 8 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
8 first place teams and 8 second place teams go to single elimination (4 weeks)
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Total (10 weeks) <=== I kind of like this one

I like this option as well.

For this to work though, we aren't going to be able to take a break in the Cup.

DataKing · 04-02-2003, 02:01 PM

This is going to largely depend on how long we have to complete the tournament. With the addition of the 6th Division to the U.S.A., the majority of our teams will last an extra two weeks in the U.S.A. Cup.

I cannot speak for other teams, but I do not see myself getting knocked out of the U.S.A. Cup until at least week 6, and I am sure some other teams will do just as well, or better. That means we will probably have a maximum of 10 weeks for the tournament, and possibly less.

vex · 04-02-2003, 02:03 PM

So should we just go with options that are 8 weeks or less?

HornedFrog Purple · 04-02-2003, 02:11 PM

68 single elim doesnt work does it?

68/34/17?

This one would work:

17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to single elimination (5 weeks)
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Total (8 weeks)

These do also:

17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to second round group play - 8 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
8 first place teams go to single elimination (3 weeks)
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Total (9 weeks)

17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to second round group play - 8 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks)
8 first place teams and 8 second place teams go to single elimination (4 weeks)
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Total (10 weeks)

Anyways, I will put up all available options in the dynasty poll forum so you can vote on them, as soon as we sort them out.

sterlingice · 04-02-2003, 02:11 PM

I think, HFP, you need to close off the entries at some point (possible around 72 teams since that's a nice mathematical number) so we can better have a look at how to set the tourney up. I'll try to come up with some ideas in the next day or so, as well.

SI

HornedFrog Purple · 04-02-2003, 02:13 PM

It's closed. I closed it Monday. (minus -Panther) heh

vex · 04-02-2003, 02:15 PM

No matter what amount of teams we have, we would have an odd number eventually. From 66-80 that is.

Brillig · 04-02-2003, 02:31 PM

I think we're ok with a 10-week event. If you survive to week 7 of the Cup, you're one of the top 128 teams in the Cup... the equivalent of a 6th place team in Div III.

Anyone that good shouldn't have a problem taking an auto-loss in his first game of the FOFC cup and still advancing

Alternatively, we could say that anyone still alive in the 7th week of the cup gets an automatic bye to the second round of group play...

HornedFrog Purple · 04-02-2003, 02:37 PM

While I am here, I will discuss the seeding structure:

These are the first 4 seeds:

1. the_meanstrosity (Cup II winner)
2. the_herd (Cup runnerup)
3. ausonny (Consolation cup winner)
4. Pilotman (Semifinalist lost to the_herd)

*RavenHawk would have been the 4th seed, but he didn't sign up.

The rest of the seeds will be based on your FOFC FrogMan ranking. I think I will make the cutoff for that 2 weeks into the league season, no matter if we have teams still in their countries cup. That way I will have a definite number and can structure the groups accordingly.

So MoKan (the #1 seed) will have the 68th ranked team in his group, the_herd will have the 67th etc to fill up the groups. (assuming we go with the group play idea which is pretty likely)

Also, I will try to put our foreign friends into groups with each other even though it might mess up the seedings just a tad. Why I am doing this is for example, poor 3ric has had to travel extensively at 6k a pop for the last 2 cups. This way it will help alleviate some of the costs to our foreign participants.

Edit: Except I just realized poor 3ric has no one else in Sweden to play hah. Well it was a good thought.

Alf · 04-02-2003, 05:09 PM

I won my National Cup 5-0 playing it in PIC

mckerney · 04-02-2003, 06:05 PM

Square Pegs are in as long as you don't need to be a Hattrick Supporter.

If you do, I'll join in on a future one once I become one.

dacman · 04-02-2003, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
...I think I will make the cutoff for that 2 weeks into the league season, no matter if we have teams still in their countries cup.

The cutoff for signing up or the cutoff for actually participating? If you mean the cutoff for participating then as long as you mean AFTER the 3rd round of the cup games, because there are still 4096 teams in the USA cup after today, but with only ~2700 human teams in the US, many of us will be playing bots in the 2nd round too and are likely to win.

Quote:

Also, I will try to put our foreign friends into groups with each other even though it might mess up the seedings just a tad.

Hmm...I think maybe 1 foreign team each group, but guareenting that they get 50/50 home/away games might work better. Definately not perfect, though.

MylesKnight · 04-02-2003, 07:55 PM

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, hold on there a minute partners..

I've got here a 2,000 Signature Petition, demanding MK's First Coast Conquistadors be given a Bye all the way to the FOFC Cup Semifinal Round..

I suggest you adjust your brackets accordingly...

RonnieDobbs · 04-02-2003, 08:02 PM

If it's not too late the Boston Wyckyd Sceptre will be willing to be fodder for an established team. If its a giant headache to add more, don't sweat it though.

Alf · 04-03-2003, 11:08 AM

I like dacman suggestion of seeding non-US in separate groups and assure them of having 50/50 home/away games. That could save some precious money !

dacman · 04-03-2003, 03:39 PM

How about add 2 more teams and then:

a)14 groups of 5 (4 weeks), then 14 1st, and 2 best 2nd place teams advance to single elimination (4 weeks) -- 8 weeks total -- or 14 1st, 14 2nd and 4 best 3rd place advance (5 weeks) -- 9 weeks total.

b)10 groups of 7 (6 weeks), then 10 1st, and 6 best 2nd place teams advance (4 weeks) -- 10 weeks total.

The advantage of an odd number of teams in each group is home/away balancing--not so important for lower division teams, but nice for foreign teams and for more income when an upper division team hosts.

HornedFrog Purple · 04-03-2003, 04:20 PM

Quote:

The cutoff for signing up or the cutoff for actually participating? If you mean the cutoff for participating then as long as you mean AFTER the 3rd round of the cup games, because there are still 4096 teams in the USA cup after today, but with only ~2700 human teams in the US, many of us will be playing bots in the 2nd round too and are likely to win.

No, the cutoff I was referring to is pertaining to seedings using FrogMan's rankings. Your FrogMan ranking after the 2nd or 3rd week of league play will determine your seeding (minus the 4 seeds I mentioned below). The accumulation of data will give a more balanced ranking then what we have currently. In other words, if you are the 70th seed now, you have 3 games to try and get a higher seed.

Quote:

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, hold on there a minute partners..

I've got here a 2,000 Signature Petition, demanding MK's First Coast Conquistadors be given a Bye all the way to the FOFC Cup Semifinal Round..

I suggest you adjust your brackets accordingly...

Signing your name 2000 times doesn't count!

Ok, 70 teams it is. This is final! Signing up is closed! (mckerney and RonnieDobbs you are both in)

If anyone wants to fire some other ideas for 70 teams, fire away. I will work on this also myself this weekend. I promise there will no more teams.

Edit: this is who I have in the Cup. I just jotted down on notepad. Don't worry if your team name isnt next to your name at this point, its irrelevant.

HornedFrog
The Afoci: Fighting Crawfish
Sublime: Manchester Silver Bullets
Coffee Warlord: Galesburg Avengers
Havok: Maniacal Misfitz
DataKing: Screamin' Seamen
NevStar: Morrisville Morrisvillians
Masked: Complex Spikes
Alf: Alf Trickers
moriarty:

the_meanstrosity: MoKan Mighty Bastards
vexroid: NE Oklahoma Sidekicks
Doug5984: Louisiana Cyclones
DeToxRoxDVHStyle: MoonShine
FrogMan Pintendre Pittbulls
TredWel: Scranton Slime
McSweeny: S. Boston
3ric
Katon: Lancre Wowhawks
winkingpirate: Slumlords

Brillig: Slithy Tovelets
HeavyReign: Seattle Reign
Blade6119: Blade Bombers
cthomer5000: North Plainfield Plague
samifan24: FC Hartford
PilotMan: Midwest Ice Storm
The_herd: Ruskies
BishopMVP: Concord Assassins
bigjdotcom01: West Henrietta FC
awm9a: Fairfax Admirals

ausonny:
AnalBumCovers: AnalBumCovers
SplitPersonality1: Little Green Monsters
daedalus: Calibiri
MikeVic: Goldfish
Nyarlahotep: Arkham
bbor: Longhorns
Fonzie: Gasmasters
sterlingice: Hippos
fantastic flying froggies:

Superman=#54: Shaw Shanksters
Easy Mac: Gvegas FC
dacman: Roosters
AStott: Shadow Dragons
rexallsc: ELSE United
MylesKnight: First Coast Conquistadors
damnMikeBrown: Aviators
Aylmar: Aardvarks
condors: condors
QuikSand: Chesapeake Cheapshots

Aesyrqwe: White Sox Pride
mrushh: Cowtown FC
fflix: booger ballers
GrantDawg: Newton Rams
Airhog:
astralhaze: Hamas Mad Bombers
illinifan999:
Qwikshot: Ultra Nox
heybrad: Los Alamitos Fury
JHandley: Eugene Emeralds

Rich1033: Toledo Drunkards
ardententhusiast: North County Raiders
leverb66: West Fargo Stangs
Calis: plowboys
auwillie: seagrove united
lytic:
AccardoOutfit29: McGee's
-Panther:
mckerney: square pegs
RonnieDobbs: Boston Wyckyd Sceptre

Raven Hawk · 04-03-2003, 04:47 PM

Gargoyles are in.

Raven Hawk · 04-03-2003, 05:07 PM

DOLA.

Whoops, looks like I'm too late.

If its any consolation, I was away all last week on vacation, but would very much like to participate in the cup again this year.

PilotMan · 04-06-2003, 11:08 AM

bump..so hfp what are we going to do?

vex · 04-06-2003, 12:19 PM

Wait for another team? I mean, Gargoyles have to be in the tourney.

03-25-2003, 03:54 PM	#53
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	The owner of the west fargo stangs doesn't want to sign up to this board but he wants to be in the FOFC cup. He is in the FOFC in hattrick. Is this possible? __________________ I had something.

03-25-2003, 05:40 PM	#55
Aesyrqwe High School JV Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indiana	Count White Sox Pride in.. __________________ Go Bears! #8 Grossman #33 Tillman

03-25-2003, 06:04 PM	#56
mrushh High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dallas,Tx	Cowtown FC is ready...... and we are ready for the Consolation bracket, too. __________________ Visit "Cowtown, Arise. A TCU- TCY Dynasty" in the Dynasty section.

03-26-2003, 04:20 AM	#59
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Im in once again __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

03-26-2003, 04:21 AM	#60
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	dola, but as runner up in the consolation cup, do I get a bye in the first round? just kidding __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

03-25-2003, 03:41 PM	#52
condors College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	the condors are ready to lose again

03-25-2003, 04:17 PM	#54
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Chesapeake Cheapshots are in.

03-25-2003, 06:50 PM	#57
fflix Mascot Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA	booger ballers are in

03-26-2003, 02:58 AM	#58
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	The Newton Rams are in.

03-26-2003, 04:22 AM	#61
astralhaze College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	Sign me on up. Hamas Mad Bombers. __________________ I can understand Brutus at every meaning, but that parahraphy threw me for a loop.

03-26-2003, 07:43 PM	#62
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	I'm in. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

03-26-2003, 07:51 PM	#63
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Whoa- this looks like it's going to be a 64 team tourney like the NCAA or something. Can I rig it like Syracuse and have all (one) of my games within a few miles of Houston? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 03-26-2003 at 07:51 PM.

03-26-2003, 10:58 PM	#64
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	I just got my team official, the Ultra Nox are in baby... __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

03-26-2003, 11:10 PM	#65
heybrad Norm!!! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Manassas, VA	The Los Alamitos Fury would like to be included.

03-27-2003, 07:22 PM	#66
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	The Eugene Emeralds are in

03-28-2003, 04:22 AM	#67
Rich1033 High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sylvania, Ohio	The Toledo Drunkards are in. I am actually happy with my team for the first time. Hopefully I can get past the first round.

03-28-2003, 11:54 AM	#69
leverb66 n00b Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: West Fargo, ND	West Fargo Stangs (71910) are in!

03-31-2003, 01:47 PM	#70
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	Count my Plowboys in!

03-31-2003, 01:57 PM	#71
auwillie n00b Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Destin,Florida	Seagrove United is also in.....Auwillie

03-31-2003, 02:16 PM	#72
lytic College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: back in Nebraska (for a couple years)	I'll join if it's not too late and I exit from the cup early enough... __________________ Hattrick stuff: SouthPark Cows' General Manager (Est Season 16) U20 South Korea Trainer (Season 19-22) Hattrick Moderator (since Season 22) Evil Gargs' Hater (since Season 18) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- My Pro Soccer Story

03-31-2003, 03:22 PM	#73
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	I'd recommend a format of 6 teams per group - it takes 5 weeks to schedule a 5-team group or a 6-team group anyway... Since that means there would only be 11 (or so) groups, I'd suggest that the second place teams in each group have a 1-week playoff to see who advances along with the first place teams in the 'Sweet 16'. That way, those of us who get seeded into a 'group of death' have a glimmer of hope....

03-31-2003, 04:40 PM	#74
AccardoOutfit29 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL	Count the McGees in. __________________ Manager of the McGees 2

04-01-2003, 03:07 PM	#75
-Panther High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Lost	Ok I'll bite. Sign me up. I'll be the first 'Rookie Underdog' to sweep both the USA Cup and FOFC Cup muhahaha __________________ Stupidity is an Equal Opportunity Employer.

04-02-2003, 01:11 PM	#77
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Ok the total # of teams is 68. Here are some thoughts: 17 groups @ 4 a group, 17 group winners + 15 2nd place finishers=32 for single elimination. 13 groups @ 5 a group (65 teams), 13 group winners + MoKan, the_herd and ausonny (#1, 2 and 3 seeds) 11 groups @ 6 a group (66 teams), 11 group winners + MoKan & the_herd + best 3 2nd place finishes. Math whizzes feel free to come up with more. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

04-02-2003, 01:41 PM	#78
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	A number of alternatives that go from 7 to 11 weeks. The first three are the ones HFP put up... 17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to single elimination (5 weeks) --------------------- Total (8 weeks) 13 groups of 5 teams (5 weeks) 16 teams advance to single elimination (4 weeks) ---------------------- Total (9 weeks) 11 groups of 6 teams (5 weeks) 16 teams advance to single elimination (4 weeks) ----------------------- Total (9 weeks) 68 team pure single elimination (7 weeks) ----------------------- Total (7 weeks) 68 team double elimination (8 weeks) ----------------------- Total (8 weeks) 17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to second round group play - 8 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 8 first place teams go to single elimination (3 weeks) ------------------------ Total (9 weeks) 17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to second round group play - 8 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 8 first place teams and 8 second place teams go to single elimination (4 weeks) ------------------------ Total (10 weeks) <=== I kind of like this one 8 groups of 6 teams and 4 groups of 5 teams (5 weeks) 12 first place teams, 12 second place teams, 8 third place teams from the 6 team groups go to single elimination (5 weeks) -------------------------- Total (10 weeks) 8 groups of 6 teams and 4 groups of 5 teams (5 weeks) 12 first place teams, 12 second place teams advance to second round group play of 6 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 6 first place teams and 2 second place teams go to single elimination (3 weeks) -------------------------- Total (11 weeks) Last edited by Brillig : 04-02-2003 at 01:42 PM.

04-02-2003, 02:00 PM	#79
lytic College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: back in Nebraska (for a couple years)	We will all be in the Cup for at least 2 rounds, probably 3... I think the 7 week one (pure single elim) would make the most sense this season. __________________ Hattrick stuff: SouthPark Cows' General Manager (Est Season 16) U20 South Korea Trainer (Season 19-22) Hattrick Moderator (since Season 22) Evil Gargs' Hater (since Season 18) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- My Pro Soccer Story

04-02-2003, 02:01 PM	#80
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to second round group play - 8 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 8 first place teams and 8 second place teams go to single elimination (4 weeks) ------------------------ Total (10 weeks) <=== I kind of like this one I like this option as well. For this to work though, we aren't going to be able to take a break in the Cup.

04-02-2003, 02:01 PM	#81
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	This is going to largely depend on how long we have to complete the tournament. With the addition of the 6th Division to the U.S.A., the majority of our teams will last an extra two weeks in the U.S.A. Cup. I cannot speak for other teams, but I do not see myself getting knocked out of the U.S.A. Cup until at least week 6, and I am sure some other teams will do just as well, or better. That means we will probably have a maximum of 10 weeks for the tournament, and possibly less. __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

04-02-2003, 02:03 PM	#82
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	So should we just go with options that are 8 weeks or less?

04-02-2003, 02:11 PM	#83
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	68 single elim doesnt work does it? 68/34/17? This one would work: 17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to single elimination (5 weeks) --------------------- Total (8 weeks) These do also: 17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to second round group play - 8 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 8 first place teams go to single elimination (3 weeks) ------------------------ Total (9 weeks) 17 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 17 first place and 15 second place teams advance to second round group play - 8 groups of 4 teams (3 weeks) 8 first place teams and 8 second place teams go to single elimination (4 weeks) ------------------------ Total (10 weeks) Anyways, I will put up all available options in the dynasty poll forum so you can vote on them, as soon as we sort them out. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

04-02-2003, 02:13 PM	#85
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	It's closed. I closed it Monday. (minus -Panther) heh __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy) Last edited by HornedFrog Purple : 04-02-2003 at 02:13 PM.

04-02-2003, 02:15 PM	#86
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	No matter what amount of teams we have, we would have an odd number eventually. From 66-80 that is.

04-02-2003, 02:31 PM	#87
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	I think we're ok with a 10-week event. If you survive to week 7 of the Cup, you're one of the top 128 teams in the Cup... the equivalent of a 6th place team in Div III. Anyone that good shouldn't have a problem taking an auto-loss in his first game of the FOFC cup and still advancing Alternatively, we could say that anyone still alive in the 7th week of the cup gets an automatic bye to the second round of group play...

04-02-2003, 02:37 PM	#88
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	While I am here, I will discuss the seeding structure: These are the first 4 seeds: 1. the_meanstrosity (Cup II winner) 2. the_herd (Cup runnerup) 3. ausonny (Consolation cup winner) 4. Pilotman (Semifinalist lost to the_herd) RavenHawk would have been the 4th seed, but he didn't sign up. The rest of the seeds will be based on your FOFC FrogMan ranking. I think I will make the cutoff for that 2 weeks into the league season, no matter if we have teams still in their countries cup. That way I will have a definite number and can structure the groups accordingly. So MoKan (the #1 seed) will have the 68th ranked team in his group, the_herd will have the 67th etc to fill up the groups. (assuming we go with the group play idea which is pretty likely) Also, I will try to put our foreign friends into groups with each other even though it might mess up the seedings just a tad. Why I am doing this is for example, poor 3ric has had to travel extensively at 6k a pop for the last 2 cups. This way it will help alleviate some of the costs to our foreign participants. Edit: Except I just realized poor 3ric has no one else in Sweden to play hah. Well it was a good thought. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy) Last edited by HornedFrog Purple : 04-02-2003 at 02:42 PM.*

04-02-2003, 05:09 PM	#89
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	I won my National Cup 5-0 playing it in PIC __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats