"Talabani would oppose Saddam death sentence"

amdaily · 08-28-2005, 06:53 PM

As someone who adamantly supported this war, given all the news of the past week (constitution, this, lack of able Iraqi troops, various attacks) we are now in the worst possible scenario. We are screwed beyond all belief

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...ALABANI-DC.XML

Edit - guess this one belongs in this thread to - http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...-SUNNIS-DC.XML

Warhammer · 08-28-2005, 07:27 PM

Why is this such a bad thing? I fully support the war, and fully believe Sadam is a butcher. However, if the powers that be do not support the death penalty, that is their call.

MrBug708 · 08-28-2005, 07:32 PM

All it takes is one lax in security. Everyone knew Dahmer was a dead man too

capsicum · 08-28-2005, 07:42 PM

Maybe the TALIBAN ARE DEMOCRATS???

-Mojo Jojo- · 08-28-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by capsicum

Maybe the TALIBAN ARE DEMOCRATS???

What does the Taliban have to do with this?

...and besides, the Taliban was quite supportive of the death penalty (particularly through stoning).

sachmo71 · 08-28-2005, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by -Mojo Jojo-

What does the Taliban have to do with this?

...and besides, the Taliban was quite supportive of the death penalty (particularly through stoning).

Only if you are a woman sans veil.

wishbone · 08-28-2005, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by capsicum

Maybe the TALIBAN ARE DEMOCRATS???

Just to clarify:
"DUBAI (Reuters) - Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said on Sunday he would not sign a death sentence for Saddam Hussein if the former leader was convicted and said he would resign if the sentence was passed. ..."

capsicum · 08-28-2005, 09:50 PM

Comment was made tongue in cheek....Altho I must say the new Iraqi President Jalal Talabani sounds like a few of the Liberal Democrats of late

HomerJSimpson · 08-29-2005, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

All it takes is one lax in security. Everyone knew Dahmer was a dead man too

All it would take is lax security, and his Sunni friends can break him out of jail and put him back in power once we pull out. He is dangerous as long as he is alive and in Iraq.

st.cronin · 08-29-2005, 04:29 PM

I didn't realize Sadddam was being tried by the Iraqis. I thought it was going to be an international trial, like what Milosevic went through.

ISiddiqui · 08-29-2005, 05:47 PM

If its in front of an international tribunal or includes international judges (and not just from the ME), then there won't be the possibility of death penalty for Saddam anyway. Milosevic sure doesn't face it.

cartman · 08-29-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

If its in front of an international tribunal or includes international judges (and not just from the ME), then there won't be the possibility of death penalty for Saddam anyway. Milosevic sure doesn't face it.

No, there is definitely a precedent for international tribunals using the death penalty. Nuremburg is one prime example.

ISiddiqui · 08-29-2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

No, there is definitely a precedent for international tribunals using the death penalty. Nuremburg is one prime example.

Not anymore buddy.

No European country would agree to be part of an international tribunal that even considers the possibility of the death penalty. And the UN has been against it for years. A prime example is Milosevic, who is not facing the death penalty.

flere-imsaho · 08-29-2005, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

No, there is definitely a precedent for international tribunals using the death penalty. Nuremburg is one prime example.

That was 50 years ago, though. There's quite a different tenor to international courts now. To get an international court to impose the death penalty, you'd probably need for it to be set up by the U.S.

Anyway, I think people should take a look at the fact that Talibani's a Kurd. If a Kurd can say "no" to the death penalty for Saddam, after what Saddam did to the Kurds, then I'm not sure how much our opinion matters, to be honest.

Klinglerware · 08-29-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

That was 50 years ago, though. There's quite a different tenor to international courts now. To get an international court to impose the death penalty, you'd probably need for it to be set up by the U.S.

That's probably why the US wouldn't ever dream of handing over Saddam to an international court.

cartman · 08-29-2005, 06:53 PM

If he doesn't get the death penalty, he should be put into solitary, kinda of like Rudolf Hess was after WW2. If he is allowed any contact with the general population, I could see a replay of "The Last Castle".

As for the EU, their charter does call for the abolition of capital punishment, but in regards to member states of the EU. They still recognize the right of international tribunals to impose the death penalty in certain situations, as long as the process meets well defined and spelled out guidelines.

st.cronin · 08-29-2005, 06:57 PM

I tell you what, *I* would support the death penalty for Saddam. I wouldn't feel too bad if it was death by plastic shredder.

Dutch · 08-29-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

That was 50 years ago, though. There's quite a different tenor to international courts now. To get an international court to impose the death penalty, you'd probably need for it to be set up by the U.S.

Anyway, I think people should take a look at the fact that Talibani's a Kurd. If a Kurd can say "no" to the death penalty for Saddam, after what Saddam did to the Kurds, then I'm not sure how much our opinion matters, to be honest.

He killed Americans as well.

ISiddiqui · 08-29-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

If he doesn't get the death penalty, he should be put into solitary, kinda of like Rudolf Hess was after WW2. If he is allowed any contact with the general population, I could see a replay of "The Last Castle".

As for the EU, their charter does call for the abolition of capital punishment, but in regards to member states of the EU. They still recognize the right of international tribunals to impose the death penalty in certain situations, as long as the process meets well defined and spelled out guidelines.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/external_r.../adp/index.htm

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In addition, EU Member States are all signatories to Protocol 13 to the ECHR, concerning the abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances, which was adopted in Vilnius in May 2002. This treaty explicitly bans the death penalty in all circumstances, including in war-time.

Face it, the only way Saddam gets the death penalty is if he's tried in the US or under a US tribunal.

edit: or a fundamentalist court.

flere-imsaho · 08-29-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

He killed Americans as well.

Way to miss my point.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 08-29-2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

Why is this such a bad thing? I fully support the war, and fully believe Sadam is a butcher. However, if the powers that be do not support the death penalty, that is their call.

I tend to agree with this line of thought. If Talabani won't support the death penalty, then he will have to answer to his electorate for his decision.

Besides, if he's given a death sentance, doesn't that further his claim that he's a martyr?

Flasch186 · 08-30-2005, 08:05 AM

i cant believe this thread started all that drama.....

where is the drama llama?

Flasch186 · 08-30-2005, 08:10 AM

is this her?

no.

Klinglerware · 08-30-2005, 08:12 AM

Ow. That picture is hurting my eyes...

Blackadar · 08-30-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

i cant believe this thread started all that drama.....

where is the drama llama?

Hopefully, she remains banned.

Chubby · 08-30-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

Hopefully, she remains banned.

back to a mascot so you don't get your wish

Flasch186 · 08-30-2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

Hopefully, she remains banned.

i hope not...nothing above deserves a banning. Ive said worse.

Subby · 08-30-2005, 09:31 AM

I don't think people are supposed to get banned for being boring and not funny.

cartman · 08-30-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

I don't think people are supposed to get banned for being boring and not funny.

There goes my dream of one day receiving a banning...

Franklinnoble · 08-30-2005, 11:59 AM

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There goes my dream of one day receiving a banning...

Start rooting for the Vikings.

08-28-2005, 09:50 PM	#8
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08-28-2005, 07:27 PM	#2
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	Why is this such a bad thing? I fully support the war, and fully believe Sadam is a butcher. However, if the powers that be do not support the death penalty, that is their call.

08-28-2005, 07:32 PM	#3
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	All it takes is one lax in security. Everyone knew Dahmer was a dead man too

08-28-2005, 07:42 PM	#4
capsicum Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: w/Franklin	Maybe the TALIBAN ARE DEMOCRATS???

08-29-2005, 04:29 PM	#10
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I didn't realize Sadddam was being tried by the Iraqis. I thought it was going to be an international trial, like what Milosevic went through.

08-29-2005, 06:57 PM	#17
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I tell you what, I would support the death penalty for Saddam. I wouldn't feel too bad if it was death by plastic shredder.

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