FOF: Heat Exhaustion???

Ben E Lou · 08-01-2005, 12:46 PM

I've got a RB out for a week with Heat Exhaustion. I don't think I've ever seen that one. Has that been around since the release, or was it perhaps added in a patch?

VPI97 · 08-01-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

I've got a RB out for a week with Heat Exhaustion. I don't think I've ever seen that one. Has that been around since the release, or was it perhaps added in a patch?

We've never had that in IHOF...I suppose it could be a new one.

WSUCougar · 08-01-2005, 01:34 PM

Would you rather have had a sleeping bag related injury?

rkmsuf · 08-01-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Would you rather have had a sleeping bag related injury?

You could combine them. He is suffering from heat exhaustion as a result of being trapped in his sleeping bag.

BigJohn&TheLions · 08-01-2005, 01:48 PM

What was the temperature in his last game? I'll be disappointed if it was 32 and snowing!

Cringer · 08-01-2005, 01:58 PM

Never seen that 'injury' in solo play or the Imperial League.

PackerFanatic · 08-01-2005, 03:25 PM

I have never seen it but wouldn't be all that surprised by it, I mean I looked at the temp for one of the games we got next week and it is at 102.

jbmagic · 08-01-2005, 03:29 PM

For FOF does weather affect players performance in games? if raining, snowing, heat, etc like in the NFL.

PackerFanatic · 08-01-2005, 03:31 PM

It would only make sense if it did.

WSUCougar · 08-01-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

For FOF does weather affect players performance in games? if raining, snowing, heat, etc like in the NFL.

Yes. Most common example I can think of is "Player X slipped a little on the wet field."

Ben E Lou · 08-01-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by a game manual the many could stand to read...

The weather affects game play, and it can affect attendance under certain extremes.

jbmagic · 08-01-2005, 03:48 PM

packerfanatic i am hoping too for FOF

if it rains, i hope to see more drops by the wr or more fumbles my the HB.

if its really hot, i would hope to see players endurance go down and get tire faster.

if it snows i hope it harder to pass, etc

kcchief19 · 08-01-2005, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Wears you sometimes, doesn't it?

Ben E Lou · 08-01-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

Wears you sometimes, doesn't it?

{Sigh}

WSUCougar · 08-01-2005, 03:55 PM

I can understand Jim getting frustrated when Solecismic gets questions that are covered by the manual, but where's the harm asking a quick question on a board called Front Office Football Central?

Chubby · 08-01-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

and yet home attendence figures are the same for every home game a team plays

Ben E Lou · 08-01-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

and yet home attendence figures are the same for every home game a team plays

Come again?

Week	Opponent	Result	Attendance
Week 1	NEW ORLEANS SAINTS	L, 13-23	59,000
Week 2	SAN DIEGO CHARGERS	W, 26-13	54,000
Week 3	at Seattle Seahawks	L, 7-23	46,200
Week 4	at Tampa Bay Buccaneers	L, 10-13	62,500
Week 5	CAROLINA PANTHERS	L, 14-27	57,700
Week 6	MINNESOTA VIKINGS	W, 23-21	51,900
Week 7	at Green Bay Packers	L, 7-17	69,700
Week 8	DETROIT LIONS	W, 24-21	59,000
Week 9	at Chicago Bears	L, 10-14	54,700
Week 10	at New Orleans Saints	W, 24-21	61,900
Week 11	OPEN
Week 12	OAKLAND RAIDERS	W, 24-14	57,700
Week 13	WASHINGTON REDSKINS	L, 3-10	62,600
Week 14	at Kansas City Chiefs	L, 17-23	89,400
Week 15	at Carolina Panthers	L, 10-20	66,500
Week 16	at Denver Broncos	L, 3-41	75,600
Week 17	TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS	L, 34-40	62,600

Cringer · 08-01-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Come again?

Week	Opponent	Result	Attendance
Week 1	NEW ORLEANS SAINTS	L, 13-23	59,000
Week 2	SAN DIEGO CHARGERS	W, 26-13	54,000
Week 3	at Seattle Seahawks	L, 7-23	46,200
Week 4	at Tampa Bay Buccaneers	L, 10-13	62,500
Week 5	CAROLINA PANTHERS	L, 14-27	57,700
Week 6	MINNESOTA VIKINGS	W, 23-21	51,900
Week 7	at Green Bay Packers	L, 7-17	69,700
Week 8	DETROIT LIONS	W, 24-21	59,000
Week 9	at Chicago Bears	L, 10-14	54,700
Week 10	at New Orleans Saints	W, 24-21	61,900
Week 11	OPEN
Week 12	OAKLAND RAIDERS	W, 24-14	57,700
Week 13	WASHINGTON REDSKINS	L, 3-10	62,600
Week 14	at Kansas City Chiefs	L, 17-23	89,400
Week 15	at Carolina Panthers	L, 10-20	66,500
Week 16	at Denver Broncos	L, 3-41	75,600
Week 17	TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS	L, 34-40	62,600

Exactly, attendence figures very plenty. Especially now with the addition of who your opponent is for that home game having an effect. I have no problem with how attendence is done now really.

Chubby · 08-01-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Come again?

Week	Opponent	Result	Attendance
Week 1	NEW ORLEANS SAINTS	L, 13-23	59,000
Week 2	SAN DIEGO CHARGERS	W, 26-13	54,000
Week 3	at Seattle Seahawks	L, 7-23	46,200
Week 4	at Tampa Bay Buccaneers	L, 10-13	62,500
Week 5	CAROLINA PANTHERS	L, 14-27	57,700
Week 6	MINNESOTA VIKINGS	W, 23-21	51,900
Week 7	at Green Bay Packers	L, 7-17	69,700
Week 8	DETROIT LIONS	W, 24-21	59,000
Week 9	at Chicago Bears	L, 10-14	54,700
Week 10	at New Orleans Saints	W, 24-21	61,900
Week 11	OPEN
Week 12	OAKLAND RAIDERS	W, 24-14	57,700
Week 13	WASHINGTON REDSKINS	L, 3-10	62,600
Week 14	at Kansas City Chiefs	L, 17-23	89,400
Week 15	at Carolina Panthers	L, 10-20	66,500
Week 16	at Denver Broncos	L, 3-41	75,600
Week 17	TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS	L, 34-40	62,600

then it appears to affect certain teams, check the Browns. Every season with them (well, Syracuse) in SP and MP has had the exact same attendence despite weather with an outdoor stadium. Attendence = Season Tickets sold

Chubby · 08-01-2005, 04:05 PM

well, I found like 1 game in my SP career that fluctuated. Doesn't happen enough when we (browns) have vastly different weather for games.

Ben E Lou · 08-01-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

Exactly, attendence figures very plenty. Especially now with the addition of who your opponent is for that home game having an effect. I have no problem with how attendence is done now really.

I have *some* problem with it. Attendance still doesn't take into account the bandwagon effect. No matter how bad the franchise has been in the past, you'll never see a 12-4 team draw like this:

2011 Regular Season (12-4)				Passing	Rushing	Receiving	Attendance
Week 1	18	at New Orleans Saints	15	L.Weber 16-28-202	W.Douglas 16-52	H.Boone 4-66	62,400
Week 2	21	Houston Texans	27	L.Weber 20-34-299	W.Douglas 27-169	H.Boone 5-143	34,500
Week 3	12	at Washington Redskins	14	L.Weber 15-25-159	W.Douglas 25-133	W.Meidinger 1-49	78,400
Week 4	28	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	13	L.Weber 16-27-259	W.Douglas 28-86	V.Steed 4-93	32,300
Week 5	34	at Carolina Panthers	30	L.Weber 12-21-152	W.Douglas 23-87	V.Steed 2-49	68,300
Week 6	42	Minnesota Vikings	32	L.Weber 20-30-252	W.Douglas 19-131	V.Steed 4-72	36,000
Week 7	26	at Green Bay Packers	24	L.Weber 14-24-201	W.Douglas 17-35	V.Steed 4-71	70,600
Week 8	21	Detroit Lions	14	L.Weber 20-28-152	F.Lemke 8-68	H.Boone 6-80	42,300
Week 9	31	at Chicago Bears	24	L.Weber 21-32-263	W.Douglas 22-73	V.Steed 8-94	56,100
Week 10	17	New Orleans Saints	14	L.Weber 24-36-280	F.Lemke 22-87	M.Mannelly 7-96	40,200
Week 11	Bye Week
Week 12	27	Tennessee Titans	13	L.Weber 18-29-228	F.Lemke 16-39	D.Basnight 3-70	42,300
Week 13	17	San Francisco 49ers	10	L.Weber 22-38-183	F.Lemke 20-82	H.Boone 5-67	42,300
Week 14	14	at Jacksonville Jaguars	30	L.Weber 13-26-295	F.Lemke 10-26	M.Mannelly 3-137	67,200
Week 15	30	Carolina Panthers	24	L.Weber 23-36-268	W.Douglas 15-50	M.Mannelly 5-115	42,300
Week 16	14	at Indianapolis Colts	30	L.Weber 12-21-125	D.Andersen 9-43	D.Basnight 4-92	72,200
Week 17	35	at Tampa Bay Buccaneers	16	L.Weber 25-34-312	D.O'Neill 12-71	M.Mannelly 7-182	59,900
2011 Playoffs				Passing	Rushing	Receiving	Attendance
Division	41	New York Giants	10	L.Weber 19-28-199	F.Lemke 24-91	M.Mannelly 7-95	*42,300*
Conf.	13	at St. Louis Rams	21	L.Weber 12-25-83	D.O'Neill 13-51	H.Boone 4-41	65,600

Ben E Lou · 08-01-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

then it appears to affect certain teams, check the Browns. Every season with them (well, Syracuse) in SP and MP has had the exact same attendence despite weather with an outdoor stadium. Attendence = Season Tickets sold

Chubby, methinks you need to read your patch readmes a little more closely.

It was adjusted in one of the later patches, which is why most of your IHOF attendance figures will show the same numbers every game.

Cringer · 08-01-2005, 04:10 PM

Very true, that is an unrealistic part of it, especially when it is a playoff game. My lack of MP playoff trips has effected my memory a bit in that area I guess.

Ben E Lou · 08-01-2005, 04:12 PM

Just checked. It was addressed in the 5.1 and "5.1+" updates.

Ben E Lou · 08-01-2005, 04:19 PM

Another reason why you may not be seeing the full range of attendance fluctuations is that once your team reaches a certain level, performance-wise, attendance bumps up against a glass ceiling. From my experience, this glass ceiling is reached pretty quickly. The team listed above was an Empty Cupboard team (Bear Bryant Challenge). Their records were:

1-15
2-14
3-13
5-11
4-12
12-4
12-4

The attendance figures above are for the second 12-4 season. Notice that in the first few games, attendance was fluctuating. However, when the team reached a certain level, it topped out at 42,300 for the final three regular season games and the one playoff game as well. My guess is that the factors pushing attendance upward outweigh any other factors that might push it downward slightly at that point, but the upward growth is stymied by the glass ceiling.

Chubby · 08-01-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Chubby, methinks you need to read your patch readmes a little more closely.

It was adjusted in one of the later patches, which is why most of your IHOF attendance figures will show the same numbers every game.

ahhh that would do it. most of my SP #s in my latest career (with the last patch_ have shown very little fluctuation too but my stadium is always close to soldout anyways

Celeval · 08-01-2005, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

then it appears to affect certain teams, check the Browns. Every season with them (well, Syracuse) in SP and MP has had the exact same attendence despite weather with an outdoor stadium. Attendence = Season Tickets sold

0 walkup sales? Whaddya, tick off all your fans at the start of the season?

Blade6119 · 08-01-2005, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

I have *some* problem with it. Attendance still doesn't take into account the bandwagon effect. No matter how bad the franchise has been in the past, you'll never see a 12-4 team draw like this

Obviously you have never heared of the Arizona Cardinals...we could go undefeated and no one would give a rats ass...they dont even televise home guys unless we sell out...thank god im born and raised in St. Louis with the rams or i would kill myself here

Ragone · 08-02-2005, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

thank god im born and raised in St. Louis with the rams or i would kill myself here

that makes you like.. 12? otherwise you'd be a la rams fan.. or a arizona cardinals fan since they came from st louis :P

Antmeister · 08-02-2005, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragone

that makes you like.. 12? otherwise you'd be a la rams fan.. or a arizona cardinals fan since they came from st louis :P

He was born is 87. So it is possible that by the time he got into football, the rams were the only team he remembered seeing. I remember getting into football around the 6th grade.

Geez....1987. I was in freakin high school with a flat top, wearing neon T-shirts and breakdance pants (you know the ones with a lot of zippers). He wouldn't remember life without cable, what a typewriter looked like, or MTV when it was good and dammit you had to pay for it.

Ragone · 08-02-2005, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister71

He was born is 87. So it is possible that by the time he got into football, the rams were the only team he remembered seeing. I remember getting into football around the 6th grade.

Geez....1987. I was in freakin high school with a flat top, wearing neon T-shirts and breakdance pants (you know the ones with a lot of zippers). He wouldn't remember life without cable, what a typewriter looked like, or MTV when it was good and dammit you had to pay for it.

Parachute pants!

and if they ever made mtv a pay channel again.. noone would ever see it... again

cuervo72 · 08-02-2005, 08:56 AM

Here's just an idea for Jim...in addition to having the manual presented in an in-game search/index format, also provide it in pdf format. I think it is much easier to read front to back that way. In the other circumstance, you can search for something specific if you're so inclined (though for most it seems more convenient just to ask here).

I know I read the manual that came with the last CD version. I have the pdf manual for CoH open constantly. I'm pretty sure I'd reference a pdf version of the FOF manual (I *do* look at the in-game one every so often, usually to reference positional roster requirements).

Lidstrom · 08-21-2005, 09:15 AM

I like the help file the way it is. Maybe I am in the minority?

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I can understand Jim getting frustrated when Solecismic gets questions that are covered by the manual, but where's the harm asking a quick question on a board called Front Office Football Central?

They have probably read the same things over and over.

I am sure new people have ranted about the rant I am about to go on, too. I have a limited amount of time to come here, mostly on the weekend. I have to do searches just to find actual Front Office Football related threads. Maybe there should be an Off-topic forum that is everything non-FOF, or create an FOF forum so we don't have to become creative searchers to actually find items related to the game.

Joe · 08-21-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lidstrom

They have probably read the same things over and over.

Yep.

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Originally Posted by Lidstrom

I am sure new people have ranted about the rant I am about to go on, too.

Yep.

Vinatieri for Prez · 08-21-2005, 02:24 PM

I haven't seen the attendance during a season fluctuate at all really. In MP with the latest patch, I draw two different figures, always the same , something like 70,600 or 71,200. Always on the nose. The higher number when I was near the end of my 5-0 start and the lower number at the beginning and later. I guess for some teams, the patch hasn't helped much in this regard. When I saw SD's attendance numbers, I was actually shocked. I have never seen that before. Maybe it's this glass ceiling thing. The stadium is only a few thousand under capacity, and support for the team is 90 something.

Ben E Lou · 08-21-2005, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Maybe it's this glass ceiling thing. The stadium is only a few thousand under capacity, and support for the team is 90 something.

I'm sure that is what it is. I start nearly every new career with an Empty Cupboard team, which means I stink for several seasons. In the early years, there is noticeable fluctuation. Once my team support gets up into the 90s and we're drawing 90-100% of capacity, that "glass ceiling" kicks in.

08-01-2005, 01:34 PM	#3
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Would you rather have had a sleeping bag related injury? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

08-01-2005, 01:48 PM	#5
BigJohn&TheLions College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	What was the temperature in his last game? I'll be disappointed if it was 32 and snowing! __________________ In the immortal words of a great alcoholic, "Can't we all just get along?"

08-01-2005, 01:58 PM	#6
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Never seen that 'injury' in solo play or the Imperial League. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

08-01-2005, 03:55 PM	#15
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	I can understand Jim getting frustrated when Solecismic gets questions that are covered by the manual, but where's the harm asking a quick question on a board called Front Office Football Central? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

08-01-2005, 04:10 PM	#23
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Very true, that is an unrealistic part of it, especially when it is a playoff game. My lack of MP playoff trips has effected my memory a bit in that area I guess. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

08-01-2005, 03:25 PM	#7
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I have never seen it but wouldn't be all that surprised by it, I mean I looked at the temp for one of the games we got next week and it is at 102.

08-01-2005, 03:29 PM	#8
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	For FOF does weather affect players performance in games? if raining, snowing, heat, etc like in the NFL.

08-01-2005, 03:31 PM	#9
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	It would only make sense if it did.

08-01-2005, 03:48 PM	#12
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	packerfanatic i am hoping too for FOF if it rains, i hope to see more drops by the wr or more fumbles my the HB. if its really hot, i would hope to see players endurance go down and get tire faster. if it snows i hope it harder to pass, etc

08-01-2005, 04:05 PM	#20
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	well, I found like 1 game in my SP career that fluctuated. Doesn't happen enough when we (browns) have vastly different weather for games.

08-01-2005, 04:12 PM	#24
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Just checked. It was addressed in the 5.1 and "5.1+" updates. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

08-01-2005, 04:19 PM	#25
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Another reason why you may not be seeing the full range of attendance fluctuations is that once your team reaches a certain level, performance-wise, attendance bumps up against a glass ceiling. From my experience, this glass ceiling is reached pretty quickly. The team listed above was an Empty Cupboard team (Bear Bryant Challenge). Their records were: 1-15 2-14 3-13 5-11 4-12 12-4 12-4 The attendance figures above are for the second 12-4 season. Notice that in the first few games, attendance was fluctuating. However, when the team reached a certain level, it topped out at 42,300 for the final three regular season games and the one playoff game as well. My guess is that the factors pushing attendance upward outweigh any other factors that might push it downward slightly at that point, but the upward growth is stymied by the glass ceiling. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

08-02-2005, 08:56 AM	#32
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Here's just an idea for Jim...in addition to having the manual presented in an in-game search/index format, also provide it in pdf format. I think it is much easier to read front to back that way. In the other circumstance, you can search for something specific if you're so inclined (though for most it seems more convenient just to ask here). I know I read the manual that came with the last CD version. I have the pdf manual for CoH open constantly. I'm pretty sure I'd reference a pdf version of the FOF manual (I do look at the in-game one every so often, usually to reference positional roster requirements). __________________ null

08-21-2005, 02:24 PM	#35
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	I haven't seen the attendance during a season fluctuate at all really. In MP with the latest patch, I draw two different figures, always the same , something like 70,600 or 71,200. Always on the nose. The higher number when I was near the end of my 5-0 start and the lower number at the beginning and later. I guess for some teams, the patch hasn't helped much in this regard. When I saw SD's attendance numbers, I was actually shocked. I have never seen that before. Maybe it's this glass ceiling thing. The stadium is only a few thousand under capacity, and support for the team is 90 something. Last edited by Vinatieri for Prez : 08-21-2005 at 02:25 PM.

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