Dwayne Wade

Easy Mac · 05-14-2005, 10:09 PM

Wow, he's completely dominated in these playoffs, with or without Shaq. 42 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists this game. How many MVP votes did he get this year?

Eaglesfan27 · 05-14-2005, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Wow, he's completely dominated in these playoffs, with or without Shaq. 42 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists this game. How many MVP votes did he get this year?

I'm very impressed with him. His on court performance is amazing, but equally impressive is his demeanor in interviews and off the court.

INDalltheway · 05-14-2005, 10:51 PM

I love the guy. Last year he almost single handeldly knocked the Pacers out of the playoffs. I think he is a better guy to go along with Shaq than Kobe ever was.

GreenMonster · 05-14-2005, 11:24 PM

If you told people before the draft that Carmelo wouldn't be able to hold a candle to Wade they would have laughed you right out of any coversation. Now you may be able to find guys that had the draft been done over again would take Wade #1 over Melo and Lebron..

Easy Mac · 05-14-2005, 11:25 PM

i still would have taken Darko.

Young Drachma · 05-14-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Wow, he's completely dominated in these playoffs, with or without Shaq. 42 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists this game. How many MVP votes did he get this year?

This guy has made a believer out of me. No doubt. Amazing work. Shaq essentially traded him for Kobe. And I'd say, Shaq should be a GM when he retires. This guy will be one of the best in the league for many years. He's grounded, has his head on straight and should continue to do well.

Of course, didn't he like carry Marquette a few years back? I guess we ought not be too surprised.

stevew · 05-14-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenMonster

If you told people before the draft that Carmelo wouldn't be able to hold a candle to Wade they would have laughed you right out of any coversation. Now you may be able to find guys that had the draft been done over again would take Wade #1 over Melo and Lebron..

Who would take Wade over Lebron? Yeah, Wade #2 overall definately, but theres no way I'd take him over lebron.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-15-2005, 12:20 AM

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Who would take Wade over Lebron? Yeah, Wade #2 overall definately, but theres no way I'd take him over lebron.

Agreed. Lebron hasn't had the supporting cast that Wade has had. Lebron will likely be the better player ultimately. However, Wade certainly is looking like the 2nd best player to come out of that draft. Also, that draft is certainly looking very good for top level talent.

NAIWF · 05-15-2005, 12:24 AM

I'd take Wade over LeBron if you remove the economic impact of ticket and jersey sales from the equation. In their rookie season, with similar talent surrounding them Dwyane made the playoffs (as a 4 seed no less), LeBron didn't. This season with a better team than last year, LeBron STILL didn't make the playoffs and arguably was involved with one of the greatest single season chokejobs in history. LeBron didn't elevate the play of anyone else on that team, and I'm not convinced he would have been able to take last year's Heat to the playoffs, but I think Wade could have taken either season's Cavs to the promised land. Lastly, Wade has carried his team to 8 straight wins in the playoffs, putting up numbers only matched by Magic and The Big O. LeBron may be the more talented player, but I think right now that Wade is better. Until LeBron demonstrates any of the intangibles that Wade already possesses I'll maintain that he's the # 1 guy from that draft.

TheOhioStateUniversity · 05-15-2005, 12:56 AM

Sorry NAIWF the Cavs just do not have the talent around Lebron, even with an improved cast this year the Heat with last years roster are still better than them.

stevew · 05-15-2005, 01:09 AM

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I'd take Wade over LeBron if you remove the economic impact of ticket and jersey sales from the equation. In their rookie season, with similar talent surrounding them Dwyane made the playoffs (as a 4 seed no less), LeBron didn't. This season with a better team than last year, LeBron STILL didn't make the playoffs and arguably was involved with one of the greatest single season chokejobs in history. LeBron didn't elevate the play of anyone else on that team, and I'm not convinced he would have been able to take last year's Heat to the playoffs, but I think Wade could have taken either season's Cavs to the promised land. Lastly, Wade has carried his team to 8 straight wins in the playoffs, putting up numbers only matched by Magic and The Big O. LeBron may be the more talented player, but I think right now that Wade is better. Until LeBron demonstrates any of the intangibles that Wade already possesses I'll maintain that he's the # 1 guy from that draft.

The cavs fell apart at the end of the season, but the Nets still had to win 15 of 19 at the end to make the playoffs by a tiebreaker. The Cavs missing out on the playoffs wouldnt even be close to the biggest chokejob, rather a minor blip. The Cavs team is garbage, poorly coached with no roleplayers, or definition. The Heat have a lot more talent.

Fouts · 05-15-2005, 01:41 AM

It's all about the rings. Kobe 3, Wade 0.

TheOhioStateUniversity · 05-15-2005, 01:48 AM

Fouts that was very insightful....how about we give Wade and Shaq several years and see how it turns out for them first.

Fouts · 05-15-2005, 01:54 AM

Just bringing the facts. We can bump this thread in 3 years, if you like.

Neuqua · 05-15-2005, 01:55 AM

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It's all about the rings. Kobe 3, Wade 0.

Um, Derek Fisher has 3 rings too. What does that mean?

mckerney · 05-15-2005, 02:38 AM

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Um, Derek Fisher has 3 rings too. What does that mean?

Yes, and few power forwards can match the might of Mark Madsen and his rings.

Danny · 05-15-2005, 02:43 AM

I think the point is the following. Everyone is basically saying Wade is a GOD and is better than Kobe ever was and such. I really like Wade too, but as of right now, it is two playoff series'. Wade has no championships yet. Kobe has 3. They are the equivalent of each other on their respective teams, so bringing someone like Fisher into this is just stupid.

mckerney · 05-15-2005, 02:55 AM

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I think the point is the following. Everyone is basically saying Wade is a GOD and is better than Kobe ever was and such. I really like Wade too, but as of right now, it is two playoff series'. Wade has no championships yet. Kobe has 3. They are the equivalent of each other on their respective teams, so bringing someone like Fisher into this is just stupid.

Bringing in Fisher isn't anymore stupid than bringing in the rings arguement. Prior to this season Kobe had played 8 seasons with one of the most dominant centers in basketball, Wade had played 1 season with Eddie Jones and Lamar Odom. Who do you expect is going to have more rings?

Rings are what people play for, but comparing any individual players solely on the achievement of the team is just plain stupid.

Danny · 05-15-2005, 03:31 AM

That's exactly the point. Kobe has played 8 seasons, won 3 rings. Wade is only in his second season and has only won two playoff series'. You can't compare the two yet. Like I said, how about waiting a few years before declaring Wade the greatest thing since slices bread?

condors · 05-15-2005, 06:42 AM

The thing about Wade though with/without Shaq you see him do what the team needs. He seems much more inclined to give the ball up. When the team needs a spark he provides it. I think he has proven to be more a team player and leader and the sky is the limit for him. Although i don't think he is getting a ring without Shaq.

Danny · 05-15-2005, 07:05 AM

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I think he has proven to be more a team player and leader

Two seasons and two playoff series. He hasnt proven much yet. You guys sure seem to follow the what have you done for me lately definition. Why not just induct Wade into the hall of fame now?

condors · 05-15-2005, 07:09 AM

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Two seasons and two playoff series. He hasnt proven much yet. You guys sure seem to follow the what have you done for me lately definition. Why not just induct Wade into the hall of fame now?

How much more does he need to do in his first two seasons before you are allowed to praise him on a messageboard?

I think the fact he didn't get the hype that Melo and Lebron got helps him. He wasn't expected to be this good, this soon.

Picking up his game in the playoffs without Shaq helps.

Noop · 05-15-2005, 08:30 AM

Wade has game. Kobe has three rings because of Shaq and Phil. Because when both left....well you know what happened.I am going to love the Lebron and Wade battles in the coming years.

st.cronin · 05-15-2005, 09:26 AM

I've always thought Wade was underappreciated, even on Marquette where Travis Diener was probably the most popular player.

Suicane75 · 05-15-2005, 09:35 AM

To me Dwayne and Kobe are parallel, both had some hype coming out and both came right of the gate better than expected. If you asked me right now I would say that Dwayne is the better player. In 8 years, while I can't predict rings, I think if Dwayne has the kind of team around him that Kobe did he will win multiple rings and be a perenial contender as well as putting up elite stats.

And Danny, I think your jumping down the throats of people who compare them and say Dwayne is better is alot more pretentious than those making the comparisons.

korme · 05-15-2005, 12:41 PM

IT's DWYANE! His momma misspelled his name!

Eaglesfan27 · 05-15-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

To me Dwayne and Kobe are parallel, both had some hype coming out and both came right of the gate better than expected. If you asked me right now I would say that Dwayne is the better player. In 8 years, while I can't predict rings, I think if Dwayne has the kind of team around him that Kobe did he will win multiple rings and be a perenial contender as well as putting up elite stats.

And Danny, I think your jumping down the throats of people who compare them and say Dwayne is better is alot more pretentious than those making the comparisons.

Agreed.

Danny · 05-15-2005, 05:07 PM

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TAnd Danny, I think your jumping down the throats of people who compare them and say Dwayne is better is alot more pretentious than those making the comparisons.

Oh noes, Suicane think I am being pretentious. What shall I do!!!

st.cronin · 05-15-2005, 05:31 PM

I never played basketball much, so maybe somebody who knows more than me can tell me why Wade is so good? What are his strengths and weaknesses? And didn't he suck at the Olympics?

Suicane75 · 05-15-2005, 05:36 PM

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Oh noes, Suicane think I am being pretentious. What shall I do!!!

Pretentious probably wasn't the right word, it just seemed you were getting all worked up.

Person A: It sure is cold today.
Danny: GOD DAMNIT MAN, ITS ONLY 8AM, GIVE IT SOME FRIGGIN TIME TO WARM UP, WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?!!!!!@!@!

JeffNights · 05-15-2005, 06:28 PM

Shit you take Dwayne Wade over Darko?

Rings:
Darko-1
Wade-0

Now, gentleman, how useless is the ring debate?

Pumpy Tudors · 05-15-2005, 07:17 PM

Someday, one day, deep into the future perhaps, everyone will spell Dwyane Wade's name correctly.

Neon_Chaos · 05-15-2005, 08:18 PM

It's not Dwayne. It's Dwyane.

It's like that Favre thing.

Suicane75 · 05-15-2005, 08:24 PM

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It's not Dwayne. It's Dwyane.

It's like that Favre thing.

Bullshit. Anthony Hardaway told me it was Dwayne.

Karlifornia · 05-15-2005, 08:47 PM

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Bullshit. Anthony Hardaway told me it was Dwayne.

Well Antwan Jamison said you're a bitch.

Danny · 05-15-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

Pretentious probably wasn't the right word, it just seemed you were getting all worked up.

Person A: It sure is cold today.
Danny: GOD DAMNIT MAN, ITS ONLY 8AM, GIVE IT SOME FRIGGIN TIME TO WARM UP, WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?!!!!!@!@!

05-15-2005, 12:56 AM	#10
TheOhioStateUniversity High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Columbus, GA via Columbus, OH	Sorry NAIWF the Cavs just do not have the talent around Lebron, even with an improved cast this year the Heat with last years roster are still better than them. __________________ Buckeyes Football/Basketball >>>> Your Favorite School

05-15-2005, 01:48 AM	#13
TheOhioStateUniversity High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Columbus, GA via Columbus, OH	Fouts that was very insightful....how about we give Wade and Shaq several years and see how it turns out for them first. __________________ Buckeyes Football/Basketball >>>> Your Favorite School

05-15-2005, 02:43 AM	#17
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I think the point is the following. Everyone is basically saying Wade is a GOD and is better than Kobe ever was and such. I really like Wade too, but as of right now, it is two playoff series'. Wade has no championships yet. Kobe has 3. They are the equivalent of each other on their respective teams, so bringing someone like Fisher into this is just stupid. Last edited by Danny : 05-15-2005 at 02:45 AM.

05-15-2005, 08:30 AM	#23
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Wade has game. Kobe has three rings because of Shaq and Phil. Because when both left....well you know what happened.I am going to love the Lebron and Wade battles in the coming years. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

05-15-2005, 07:17 PM	#32
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Someday, one day, deep into the future perhaps, everyone will spell Dwyane Wade's name correctly. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

05-14-2005, 10:51 PM	#3
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	I love the guy. Last year he almost single handeldly knocked the Pacers out of the playoffs. I think he is a better guy to go along with Shaq than Kobe ever was.

05-14-2005, 11:24 PM	#4
GreenMonster High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2005	If you told people before the draft that Carmelo wouldn't be able to hold a candle to Wade they would have laughed you right out of any coversation. Now you may be able to find guys that had the draft been done over again would take Wade #1 over Melo and Lebron..

05-14-2005, 11:25 PM	#5
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	i still would have taken Darko.

05-15-2005, 12:24 AM	#9
NAIWF College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York, NY	I'd take Wade over LeBron if you remove the economic impact of ticket and jersey sales from the equation. In their rookie season, with similar talent surrounding them Dwyane made the playoffs (as a 4 seed no less), LeBron didn't. This season with a better team than last year, LeBron STILL didn't make the playoffs and arguably was involved with one of the greatest single season chokejobs in history. LeBron didn't elevate the play of anyone else on that team, and I'm not convinced he would have been able to take last year's Heat to the playoffs, but I think Wade could have taken either season's Cavs to the promised land. Lastly, Wade has carried his team to 8 straight wins in the playoffs, putting up numbers only matched by Magic and The Big O. LeBron may be the more talented player, but I think right now that Wade is better. Until LeBron demonstrates any of the intangibles that Wade already possesses I'll maintain that he's the # 1 guy from that draft.

05-15-2005, 01:41 AM	#12
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	It's all about the rings. Kobe 3, Wade 0.

05-15-2005, 01:54 AM	#14
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Just bringing the facts. We can bump this thread in 3 years, if you like.

05-15-2005, 03:31 AM	#19
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	That's exactly the point. Kobe has played 8 seasons, won 3 rings. Wade is only in his second season and has only won two playoff series'. You can't compare the two yet. Like I said, how about waiting a few years before declaring Wade the greatest thing since slices bread?

05-15-2005, 06:42 AM	#20
condors College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	The thing about Wade though with/without Shaq you see him do what the team needs. He seems much more inclined to give the ball up. When the team needs a spark he provides it. I think he has proven to be more a team player and leader and the sky is the limit for him. Although i don't think he is getting a ring without Shaq.

05-15-2005, 09:26 AM	#24
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I've always thought Wade was underappreciated, even on Marquette where Travis Diener was probably the most popular player.

05-15-2005, 09:35 AM	#25
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	To me Dwayne and Kobe are parallel, both had some hype coming out and both came right of the gate better than expected. If you asked me right now I would say that Dwayne is the better player. In 8 years, while I can't predict rings, I think if Dwayne has the kind of team around him that Kobe did he will win multiple rings and be a perenial contender as well as putting up elite stats. And Danny, I think your jumping down the throats of people who compare them and say Dwayne is better is alot more pretentious than those making the comparisons.

05-15-2005, 12:41 PM	#26
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	IT's DWYANE! His momma misspelled his name!

05-15-2005, 05:31 PM	#29
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I never played basketball much, so maybe somebody who knows more than me can tell me why Wade is so good? What are his strengths and weaknesses? And didn't he suck at the Olympics?

05-15-2005, 06:28 PM	#31
JeffNights College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Michigan	Shit you take Dwayne Wade over Darko? Rings: Darko-1 Wade-0 Now, gentleman, how useless is the ring debate?

05-15-2005, 08:18 PM	#33
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	It's not Dwayne. It's Dwyane. It's like that Favre thing.

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