Which baseball sim to buy and why

Phoenix · 03-23-2005, 10:48 PM

thinking about getting one as the season draws near - which one do I get and why?

thanks

SFL Cat · 03-23-2005, 11:02 PM

Tony LaRussa 4 or Old Time Baseball .... never mind.

st.cronin · 03-23-2005, 11:07 PM

Wait for either SI or Solecismic to make one.

MizzouRah · 03-23-2005, 11:09 PM

MVP for PC, Xbox, GC, or PS2.

If text sim.. well, right now it's Puresim and Baseball Mogul. I'm not really sure when OOTP is supposed to come out.

BBMogul looks like it is going to get patched until Clay and customers are happy. I've played the Puresim demo and liked what I saw - just not ready to take the plunge yet. A lot of people say Puresim is a solo players dream.

I have MVP for the Xbox, so Baseball Mogul is probably going to be my early text sim choice, just because of the simplicity of it and the sim speed of the game. Might be fun to take a terrible team and try to build them into contenders. The game sounds pretty challenging... knocking off the Yankees would be fun.

Both have demos - bbmogul's should be out soon.

Todd

SFL Cat · 03-23-2005, 11:33 PM

I've downloaded and tried the Puresim demo. It's decent, but the version I'm using definitely has bug issues that have kept me from really getting into it (although I haven't checked for the latest, greatest patch). Give it a try, though....it's a free fully functional demo.

If you're interested in replays rather than career sims, you might try Diamond Mind Baseball. It's pricey, but it's pretty accurate as far as results and the stats it generates.

jbmagic · 03-23-2005, 11:47 PM

OOTP 6.12 is pretty good too.

PilotMan · 03-23-2005, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

OOTP 6.12 is pretty good too.

I would second OOTP. I know that there is a newer version, but judging from CM4 and EHM, I would wait until they work some of the kinks out of the new engine before I take the plunge on that version. For right now 6.12 is good and the engine is at the top of its game.

I also grew up with Strat-O-Matic. I havn't been able to afford to keep up with the games as they developed but I love the game. It is a season simulator very similar to Diamond Mind.

weinstein7 · 03-24-2005, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SFL Cat

Tony LaRussa 4 or Old Time Baseball .... never mind.

I was going to say Earl Weaver Baseball. One of my all-time favorites. I remember agonizing over EWB2 and Larussa 3 (?) at a computer store before finally going with Earl Weaver. Just a fantastic game (I never played LaRussa, I hear it was also phenomenal, possibly even the better of the two.)

Ragone · 03-24-2005, 06:02 AM

Baseball Simulator 1.000 Or Baseball Stars?

condors · 03-24-2005, 06:32 AM

If i could only play 1 baseball sim, until i see ootp i would go with diamond mind. Mogul only being 20 dollars and found memories makes it an easy purchase.

Bo Jackson's Hip · 03-24-2005, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SFL Cat

Tony LaRussa 4 or Old Time Baseball .... never mind.

Did everyone else also have Old Time Baseball back in the day. It was pretty fun, but was always unstable for me.

MizzouRah · 03-24-2005, 10:14 AM

DMB is a REPLAY sim, remember that. No career play... and way overpriced, imo.

Todd

rjolley · 03-24-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo Jackson's Hip

Did everyone else also have Old Time Baseball back in the day. It was pretty fun, but was always unstable for me.

I had LaRussa 3 and OTB. Enjoyed playing it in college...even used the utils and played in a league a time or two. Loads of fun...

Klinglerware · 03-24-2005, 10:18 AM

I still play Haffner every now and then...

weinstein7 · 03-24-2005, 10:25 AM

And then there's always MicroLeague Baseball.

I think that and Erving vs. Bird were the first two PC sports games I ever played.

cartman · 03-24-2005, 10:30 AM

Eddie Dombrower, the programmer of the Earl Weaver series, was working on an updated version. But sadly, it appears he has abandoned the project. The url is bangbangplay.com. I was really looking forward to seeing this being finsihed.

weinstein7 · 03-24-2005, 10:33 AM

Yeah, I actually found and installed that a while ago.

It's not bad, but as you say, he apparently lost interest or something midway through.

Also, it reminded me of all the drawbacks of EWB that my selective memory had ignored

I think my favorite "bug" in the game was that if you got into a rundown, you could keep it going for a while and eventually the game would lose interest and just send you back to your original base.

Maple Leafs · 03-24-2005, 10:55 AM

I still played manage-mode EWB, with season stats I hand-entered, right through about the mid-to-late 90s. If I still had my old Amiga (and it was working) I'd probably still be playing it today.

weinstein7 · 03-24-2005, 02:52 PM

I used to have a league on EWB2 in which i played every game myself, and every 5 or 10 games I would write down the league leaders in a neat little notebook (and I have TERRIBLE handwriting, so doing this took almost as long as actually playing the games).

Then I found the Commissioner's Pack add-on which had some amazing features, including compiling league leaders and such. I remember I used it to artificially impose a salary cap, and then use the players from teams that were over the cap to construct the Rockies and Marlins. Good times. Amazing how many games these days don't have half the features of these old classics.

Phoenix · 03-28-2005, 12:10 AM

thanks - I want career play options and quick sims - challenging and realistic

sooner333 · 03-28-2005, 02:17 AM

Base Wars.

Cringer · 03-28-2005, 07:12 AM

I have bought the last 2 or 3 OOTP's, and I think I am done. They have a very short play life for me, and when I try to go back I just can't get hooked. It is not the sport, because I like baseball very much and I think it was MicroLeague baseball that was one of my first sim's that I loved. There is just something missing with OOTP for me.

I think if I get a baseball game again, I will go with PureSim, but that may not be until next year or more.

Balldog · 03-28-2005, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

I have bought the last 2 or 3 OOTP's, and I think I am done. They have a very short play life for me, and when I try to go back I just can't get hooked. It is not the sport, because I like baseball very much and I think it was MicroLeague baseball that was one of my first sim's that I loved. There is just something missing with OOTP for me.

I think if I get a baseball game again, I will go with PureSim, but that may not be until next year or more.

Ditto. Maybe once baseball season starts I will be able to get hooked again though....

Ragone · 03-28-2005, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

I have bought the last 2 or 3 OOTP's, and I think I am done. They have a very short play life for me, and when I try to go back I just can't get hooked. It is not the sport, because I like baseball very much and I think it was MicroLeague baseball that was one of my first sim's that I loved. There is just something missing with OOTP for me.

I think if I get a baseball game again, I will go with PureSim, but that may not be until next year or more.

Same really.. really anything from ootp family or lapdog.. or whatever they call themselves now.. oh yea.. greydog.. isn't a autobuy anymore like it once was..

At this point, i think the only sports text sim that would be a future autobuy would be a new fbcb.. or a new tcy/fof

MizzouRah · 03-28-2005, 09:10 AM

Well, I finally got around to giving 6.12 a whirl (ootp) and I like it thus far. Teams hording cash actually spend money now! Yippee!!

Todd

condors · 03-28-2005, 10:16 AM

actually greydog with Total Pro Basketball and Wrestling Spirit i have both games and enjoy them both

sterlingice · 03-28-2005, 05:30 PM

Which would be best, not for solo play, but for a multi-player league?

SI

SFL Cat · 03-28-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Base Wars.

Hmmmm...I've got to confess, that's one I'm not familiar with.

Galaril · 03-28-2005, 06:06 PM

Don't get Baseball mogul 2k6 I didn't and though it is agreat game the support sucks .The developer nver responds to any enquiries.

sooner333 · 03-28-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SFL Cat

Hmmmm...I've got to confess, that's one I'm not familiar with.

It's an NES game where you play baseball with fighting robots and if there is a play at a base you can fight for it.

sterlingice · 03-28-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

It's an NES game where you play baseball with fighting robots and if there is a play at a base you can fight for it.

If I remember right, there was a really slow guy with a giant machine gun. Who cares if he was slow- he always won the battle for close bases.

SI

Bubba Wheels · 03-28-2005, 07:44 PM

http://www.crippeoblade.co.uk/

DaddyTorgo · 03-28-2005, 09:05 PM

i'm cautiosuly optomistic about the first version of OOTP that will come through SI. I think that may make it more immersive for me, but then again if that doesn't get great reviews I may hold off one generation until it's better incorporated.

crippeoblade · 03-29-2005, 05:47 AM

Thanks, for the linkage bubba. Just out of curiosity have you got any feedback on the my early work so far? I was never happy with any of the current sims available. Don't get me wrong alot of them are very playable but I felt they didn't have the complete experience. So I set out to create my own.

Bubba Wheels · 03-29-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crippeoblade

Thanks, for the linkage bubba. Just out of curiosity have you got any feedback on the my early work so far? I was never happy with any of the current sims available. Don't get me wrong alot of them are very playable but I felt they didn't have the complete experience. So I set out to create my own.

No, looks like the whole thing is brand, spanking new...which makes it an interesting thing to take a look at. Best of luck, I'll be looking more in depth myself as time permits.

03-23-2005, 11:09 PM	#4
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	MVP for PC, Xbox, GC, or PS2. If text sim.. well, right now it's Puresim and Baseball Mogul. I'm not really sure when OOTP is supposed to come out. BBMogul looks like it is going to get patched until Clay and customers are happy. I've played the Puresim demo and liked what I saw - just not ready to take the plunge yet. A lot of people say Puresim is a solo players dream. I have MVP for the Xbox, so Baseball Mogul is probably going to be my early text sim choice, just because of the simplicity of it and the sim speed of the game. Might be fun to take a terrible team and try to build them into contenders. The game sounds pretty challenging... knocking off the Yankees would be fun. Both have demos - bbmogul's should be out soon. Todd Last edited by MizzouRah : 03-23-2005 at 11:09 PM.

03-23-2005, 11:33 PM	#5
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	I've downloaded and tried the Puresim demo. It's decent, but the version I'm using definitely has bug issues that have kept me from really getting into it (although I haven't checked for the latest, greatest patch). Give it a try, though....it's a free fully functional demo. If you're interested in replays rather than career sims, you might try Diamond Mind Baseball. It's pricey, but it's pretty accurate as far as results and the stats it generates. Last edited by SFL Cat : 03-23-2005 at 11:34 PM.

03-24-2005, 10:30 AM	#16
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Eddie Dombrower, the programmer of the Earl Weaver series, was working on an updated version. But sadly, it appears he has abandoned the project. The url is bangbangplay.com. I was really looking forward to seeing this being finsihed. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-24-2005, 10:55 AM	#18
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I still played manage-mode EWB, with season stats I hand-entered, right through about the mid-to-late 90s. If I still had my old Amiga (and it was working) I'd probably still be playing it today. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

03-28-2005, 12:10 AM	#20
Phoenix Mascot Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ft. Lauderdale/Miami, FL	thanks - I want career play options and quick sims - challenging and realistic __________________ YO PHOENIX MAN

03-23-2005, 11:02 PM	#2
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	Tony LaRussa 4 or Old Time Baseball .... never mind.

03-23-2005, 11:07 PM	#3
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Wait for either SI or Solecismic to make one.

03-23-2005, 11:47 PM	#6
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	OOTP 6.12 is pretty good too.

03-24-2005, 06:02 AM	#9
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	Baseball Simulator 1.000 Or Baseball Stars?

03-24-2005, 06:32 AM	#10
condors College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	If i could only play 1 baseball sim, until i see ootp i would go with diamond mind. Mogul only being 20 dollars and found memories makes it an easy purchase.

03-24-2005, 10:14 AM	#12
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	DMB is a REPLAY sim, remember that. No career play... and way overpriced, imo. Todd

03-24-2005, 10:18 AM	#14
Klinglerware College Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The DMV	I still play Haffner every now and then...

03-24-2005, 10:25 AM	#15
weinstein7 High School JV Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rochester, NY	And then there's always MicroLeague Baseball. I think that and Erving vs. Bird were the first two PC sports games I ever played.

03-24-2005, 10:33 AM	#17
weinstein7 High School JV Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rochester, NY	Yeah, I actually found and installed that a while ago. It's not bad, but as you say, he apparently lost interest or something midway through. Also, it reminded me of all the drawbacks of EWB that my selective memory had ignored I think my favorite "bug" in the game was that if you got into a rundown, you could keep it going for a while and eventually the game would lose interest and just send you back to your original base.

03-24-2005, 02:52 PM	#19
weinstein7 High School JV Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rochester, NY	I used to have a league on EWB2 in which i played every game myself, and every 5 or 10 games I would write down the league leaders in a neat little notebook (and I have TERRIBLE handwriting, so doing this took almost as long as actually playing the games). Then I found the Commissioner's Pack add-on which had some amazing features, including compiling league leaders and such. I remember I used it to artificially impose a salary cap, and then use the players from teams that were over the cap to construct the Rockies and Marlins. Good times. Amazing how many games these days don't have half the features of these old classics.

03-28-2005, 02:17 AM	#21
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Base Wars.

03-28-2005, 07:12 AM	#22
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	I have bought the last 2 or 3 OOTP's, and I think I am done. They have a very short play life for me, and when I try to go back I just can't get hooked. It is not the sport, because I like baseball very much and I think it was MicroLeague baseball that was one of my first sim's that I loved. There is just something missing with OOTP for me. I think if I get a baseball game again, I will go with PureSim, but that may not be until next year or more. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

03-28-2005, 09:10 AM	#25
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Well, I finally got around to giving 6.12 a whirl (ootp) and I like it thus far. Teams hording cash actually spend money now! Yippee!! Todd

03-28-2005, 10:16 AM	#26
condors College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	actually greydog with Total Pro Basketball and Wrestling Spirit i have both games and enjoy them both

03-28-2005, 05:30 PM	#27
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Which would be best, not for solo play, but for a multi-player league? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-28-2005, 06:06 PM	#29
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Don't get Baseball mogul 2k6 I didn't and though it is agreat game the support sucks .The developer nver responds to any enquiries.

03-28-2005, 07:44 PM	#32
Bubba Wheels College Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	http://www.crippeoblade.co.uk/

03-28-2005, 09:05 PM	#33
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm cautiosuly optomistic about the first version of OOTP that will come through SI. I think that may make it more immersive for me, but then again if that doesn't get great reviews I may hold off one generation until it's better incorporated.

03-29-2005, 05:47 AM	#34
crippeoblade n00b Join Date: Mar 2005	Thanks, for the linkage bubba. Just out of curiosity have you got any feedback on the my early work so far? I was never happy with any of the current sims available. Don't get me wrong alot of them are very playable but I felt they didn't have the complete experience. So I set out to create my own.

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