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Good Column by Michael Wilbon - RE: Randy Moss
I've been a reader of the Washington Post sports page since, well, I was old enough to read. I've always been a fan of the columns by Wilbon and Kornheiser, and while I don't always agree with them, the latest by Wilbon hits it right on the head.
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01-11-2005, 03:30 AM | #2 |
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Clap Clap Clap, as i'm not from the USA i find hard to underestand the double moral there sometimes and why for example a woman tit is worst for a kid development than a movie where a guy kills docens of other guys. A bit off topic, but why is there as offending the human body? in Spanish beaches you can see at least a 30% of women without the top of their swimming clothes and it's not offending at all and we see it as something usual, probably the more you try to protect a kid from something, the more curious he gets about it. Coming back on topic, Moss should be fined in my opinion as he should show respect for the public that in the end is who pays him, but there are also worst things surrounding sports as the article says and anyway he just faked the act, not did it for real.
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01-11-2005, 03:56 AM | #3 |
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Wilbon's spot on with this one. Regardless of your opinion regarding Moss' action, both the networks and the NFL need to realize that they're sanctioning far more offensive things on a regular basis than a grown man wiggling his "cloth-covered butt" at a group of fans.
Moss was an idiot. The NFL and networks are hypocrites. Who gets the moral high ground on this one? |
01-11-2005, 04:59 AM | #4 |
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Good article, thanks for sharing.
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01-11-2005, 07:16 AM | #5 |
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Wilbon is the man. I totally agree. Buck's reaction was ridiculous, as is not showing it. It was classless, but at the end of the day utterly harmless. Like I mentioned earlier, I can't completely blame Randy. I've been to Lions games were there have been thousands of cheese-heads about. They're f*cking annoying.
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01-11-2005, 07:53 AM | #6 |
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Uh, waiter? Yes, I'd like the "eye-full of rump" please. With a baked potato. And don't skimp on portions.
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01-11-2005, 08:06 AM | #7 | |
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I've thought this myself...there's one commercial now with a woman who is doing everything just short of panting and unzipping her man's pants on camera...
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01-11-2005, 08:10 AM | #8 |
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I generally agree about the overall hypocrisy involved by the league and networks.
But, is it necessary to discuss advertisements for erectile dysfunction treatments as "offensive?" It's a medical treatment, actually. Perhaps there is a sophomoric streak among many of us that gives it a high giggle factor -- but this is a life-changing treatment for any number or people in the football demographic (I have to assume so, because the sales are very robust, and the advertisements must be for a reason). Yes, I suppose the advertisements are laden with innuendo (and if that's the root of all the criticism, which is not obvious to me here, then I'm okay with it) -- but at its core, I don't have any problem with this sort of medication being promoted. It's not offensive on its surface simply because it deals generally with a sexual or excretory function... but that certainly sounds like the criticism being leveled (here and elsewhere). |
01-11-2005, 08:14 AM | #9 |
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Well said, QS. I was going to post something similar about the ads for cialis, etc.
I also think that much of the outrage about the fake mooning isn't that it was "offensive" from a technical standpoint, but that it was degrading to the fans and mean spirited. Also that it was Randy Moss - someone who has a history of being a "bad guy." Another player would have perhaps gotten away with it (or it would have at least been a much lesser deal). |
01-11-2005, 08:15 AM | #10 |
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excellent article.
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01-11-2005, 08:22 AM | #11 |
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Thanks Franklin- that was a great article.
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On a related note, some libraries in Mississippi have banned America: The Book because it contains a picture with naked Supreme Court justices. As Jon Stewart responded last night--there is a heck of a lot more offensive stuff in the book than naked pictures--if only those who banned the book took the time to read it. But the knee jerk response to nudity is an easy one to pull off in this country. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 01-11-2005 at 08:24 AM. Reason: removed cynical editorial (it's too early for cynicism) |
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I wholeheartedly agree with you that erectile dysfunction and its treatment are legitimate and serious concerns. The issue is the hypocrisy: the league and the pundits wail against the whole "how am I going to explain this to my precious innocent children" when it comes to Nicolette Sheridan, TO, and Moss, yet the league finds no problem with the ED ads, when (for better or worse) sex and sexual issues are something that many Americans find difficult to discuss with their children--I am sure many Americans with kids don't appreciate the NFL inducing the "birds and the bees discussion" before the parents want it to happen. |
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01-11-2005, 08:25 AM | #14 |
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Its another issue, but America is almost hypocritically puritanical at times- and its hilarious. Some would argue that this "outrage" is a symptom of the cause.
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01-11-2005, 08:31 AM | #15 | |
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I think this is more relevant when discussing the MNF skit with the desparate housewives woman and TO than it is when Moss comes up, but I think the main point is that to many it's hypocritical of the NFL to be so critical of that skit when the NFL profits so heavily from sex so often, whether it be(just pulling things out of Wilbon's article) "the twins", the levitra sponsorship, or the cheerleaders on the field itself. I also think that the general argument that "I let my kids watch this" is a pretty interesting one. I know my son hears words he doesn't understand and will quite randomly ask "what's ___" which in this case would be "what's an erection?" ... that could get into a much bigger debate about marketing to the 20s single male vs the family but I think "protect the children!" is a common cry amongst those that get outraged by this stuff. And finally, unrelated to the NFL entirely, you don't see condom ads on network TV on Sunday afternoon. Now I know there's a big difference between Levitra and condoms, but, have you guys seen the "Trojan Man!" ads? The sexual overtones are noticibly greater there than in the Levitra ads, but I think there's a pretty fair comparasion between the two and a discussion about why one should be ok for 1pm on Sunday and the other isn't even ok for Network TV at all, or during the late late hours isn't a totally cut and dried one. All that said, when Oliegirl and I saw the Moss mooning thing I believe my exact words were "What the hell is he doing?" ... then I figured it out, and, without knowing the green bay mooning context, then thought "what a dope" and that was pretty much it, no harm done. |
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01-11-2005, 12:32 PM | #17 |
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A very good article. I like Michael Wilbon and Kornheiser on PTI, where I heard the best quote about the Super Bowl Nipple Fiasco, something along the lines of:
Kornheiser: What would you have said to your little boy if he asked you what that was on stage? Wilbon: Son, that's a breast. And if you're lucky, by the time you're eighteen, you'll have seen a whole lot more of them. Classic ... |
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