Need some NFL clarification

maximus · 01-08-2005, 01:14 PM

I keep hearing that there are a couple teams wanting to move to Los Angles. The teams I have heard that are thinking of doing this are the Saints and the Vikings. ESPN100 (in Chicago) reported this a few times and the last I heard of it was last week. Can anyone explain what the deal is with these teams moving and what it will take to keep those teams at their present cities? I'm more of a historic guy and I would hate for the NFL to start moving those teams around.

Bubba Wheels · 01-08-2005, 01:17 PM

Simple: Stadium deals. Either the cities listed pony up, or the teams threaten to move. Had also heard last year Cincinnati and Indianapolis were in the mix, probably not the Bengals anymore.

maximus · 01-08-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Simple: Stadium deals. Either the cities listed pony up, or the teams threaten to move. Had also heard last year Cincinnati and Indianapolis were in the mix, probably not the Bengals anymore.

Wow, Indy too huh. I think they finalized a deal sometime this past year for a new stadium so that should stop them from moving.

I'm not a Vikings fan (I'm a Bears fan) but I would hate to see a division rival move.

Bubba Wheels · 01-08-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus

Wow, Indy too huh. I think they finalized a deal sometime this past year for a new stadium so that should stop them from moving.

I'm not a Vikings fan (I'm a Bears fan) but I would hate to see a division rival move.

I believe that the Vikings have been up for sale the last 2yrs. One of the reasons that Tice is maintained as head coach: He's cheap. And when you look to sell a franchise in any sport, you want the bottom line as low as possible. IMO, I would put the Vikes at the top of the list for possible sale/move.

waitforit · 01-08-2005, 01:25 PM

Rumor was the Colts were targeted, but I believe they recently completed a deal for a new stadium. I also remember hearing the Chargers were a possibility. If I was the NFL I would look into moving the Jaguars. From what I read they can't come close to selling enough tickets to stop local blackout of home games, even this year with a decent team. Would also consider moving the Chargers if they can't get a new stadium secured, or simply placing a new expansion team there. I doubt however that they would expand only one team, because I believe that they finally have a "balanced" amount of teams for scheduling.

maximus · 01-08-2005, 01:26 PM

Being sold is OK as long as they stay in Minnesota. There have been some good games between them and the Bears. I guess we shall see.

maximus · 01-08-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by waitforit

Rumor was the Colts were targeted, but I believe they recently completed a deal for a new stadium. I also remember hearing the Chargers were a possibility. If I was the NFL I would look into moving the Jaguars. From what I read they can't come close to selling enough tickets to stop local blackout of home games, even this year with a decent team. Would also consider moving the Chargers if they can't get a new stadium secured, or simply placing a new expansion team there. I doubt however that they would expand only one team, because I believe that they finally have a "balanced" amount of teams for scheduling.

Thats a good idea. The Jags are fairly new (10 yrs) so losing the historic part of it wouldn't be to bad. I hate seeing any team move but if it had to be, I would rather see a newer team move.

sovereignstar · 01-08-2005, 01:30 PM

Anyone that thinks the Vikings are going anywhere are crazy. Tagliabue and a large majority of the owners would never let it happen.

maximus · 01-08-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Anyone that thinks the Vikings are going anywhere are crazy. Tagliabue and a large majority of the owners would never let it happen.

Like I said, I heard this on ESPN radio and they mentioned them close to the top of the list. Because it came from ESPN doesn't make it true but just the fact that the Vikings name was invloved kinda erked me.

Flasch186 · 01-08-2005, 01:42 PM

I live here and i can tell you the Jags arent going anywhere anytime soon. The stadium is enormous which is a good thing but for some reason the past 4 years the team has done little to nothing to endear themselves to the community. Off the top of my head i cant think of anything special that they do here to get the city excited about the players.

Bubba Wheels · 01-08-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

I live here and i can tell you the Jags arent going anywhere anytime soon. The stadium is enormous which is a good thing but for some reason the past 4 years the team has done little to nothing to endear themselves to the community. Off the top of my head i cant think of anything special that they do here to get the city excited about the players.

Its not the stadium size that counts. Lions had the Silverdome, largest in league at 80,000 seats and had the worst deal cause they got nothing from the concessions business or parking. Its all about Luxury boxes, concessions revenue and parking.

cthomer5000 · 01-08-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Anyone that thinks the Vikings are going anywhere are crazy. Tagliabue and a large majority of the owners would never let it happen.

You're living in a dreamland if you think the Vikings aren't one of the top 2 teams the NFL is targeting for a move.

They want to be in LA more than they want to maintain history, rivalries, etc.

lynchjm24 · 01-08-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

I live here and i can tell you the Jags arent going anywhere anytime soon. The stadium is enormous which is a good thing but for some reason the past 4 years the team has done little to nothing to endear themselves to the community. Off the top of my head i cant think of anything special that they do here to get the city excited about the players.

Won't be as enormous next year.

GrantDawg · 01-08-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lynchjm24

Won't be as enormous next year.

Are they taking seats out? It wouldn't be a bad idea. They may not sell out, but they are 14th in attendance overall for the year. Arizona is the worst at almost half the Jaguars' average attendance.

cthomer5000 · 01-08-2005, 02:12 PM

I think the new stadium in Arizona will end up being a big mistake. Arizona has never cared about that team, and it's already been a team historically on the move (Chicago-> St. Louis -> Arizona). It would have made the most sense just to keep there journey west going and dump them in L.A.

sovereignstar · 01-08-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

You're living in a dreamland if you think the Vikings aren't one of the top 2 teams the NFL is targeting for a move.

They want to be in LA more than they want to maintain history, rivalries, etc.

I disagree.

lynchjm24 · 01-08-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Are they taking seats out? It wouldn't be a bad idea. They may not sell out, but they are 14th in attendance overall for the year. Arizona is the worst at almost half the Jaguars' average attendance.

Covering seats. You have to sell out or it kills you.

lynchjm24 · 01-08-2005, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

You're living in a dreamland if you think the Vikings aren't one of the top 2 teams the NFL is targeting for a move.

They want to be in LA more than they want to maintain history, rivalries, etc.

I've heard the rumblings that they don't mind not being in LA as that gives them the ability to put on the best national games on TV and from that they get better ratings they could get if they had to show the local team. I don't know what the exact numbers are but it does make some sense.

Flasch186 · 01-08-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lynchjm24

Covering seats. You have to sell out or it kills you.

yup shouldnt be as hard next season

temley06 · 01-08-2005, 04:25 PM

The Colts and Indy came to an agreement. Funding for the stadium, which was proposed to include pull-tabs (basically slot machines), still needs to be hashed out. If the legislature approves it the retractable roof stadium is set to open in 2008.

01-08-2005, 01:42 PM	#10
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	I live here and i can tell you the Jags arent going anywhere anytime soon. The stadium is enormous which is a good thing but for some reason the past 4 years the team has done little to nothing to endear themselves to the community. Off the top of my head i cant think of anything special that they do here to get the city excited about the players. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

01-08-2005, 01:17 PM	#2
Bubba Wheels College Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Simple: Stadium deals. Either the cities listed pony up, or the teams threaten to move. Had also heard last year Cincinnati and Indianapolis were in the mix, probably not the Bengals anymore.

01-08-2005, 01:25 PM	#5
waitforit n00b Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island/North Country	Rumor was the Colts were targeted, but I believe they recently completed a deal for a new stadium. I also remember hearing the Chargers were a possibility. If I was the NFL I would look into moving the Jaguars. From what I read they can't come close to selling enough tickets to stop local blackout of home games, even this year with a decent team. Would also consider moving the Chargers if they can't get a new stadium secured, or simply placing a new expansion team there. I doubt however that they would expand only one team, because I believe that they finally have a "balanced" amount of teams for scheduling.

01-08-2005, 01:26 PM	#6
maximus Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Where the system is screwed	Being sold is OK as long as they stay in Minnesota. There have been some good games between them and the Bears. I guess we shall see.

01-08-2005, 01:30 PM	#8
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Anyone that thinks the Vikings are going anywhere are crazy. Tagliabue and a large majority of the owners would never let it happen.

01-08-2005, 04:25 PM	#20
temley06 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis	The Colts and Indy came to an agreement. Funding for the stadium, which was proposed to include pull-tabs (basically slot machines), still needs to be hashed out. If the legislature approves it the retractable roof stadium is set to open in 2008.

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