Is the world really that stupid?

Tarkus · 02-26-2003, 12:16 AM

So Saddam found a few more bombs he forgot about. Doesn't the world see the games this guy is playing? As it gets closer and closer to war he reveals more and more. Rather than be open and honest up front he hides all his weapons and then says "oops, we found two over here we had forgotten about." Then Blix comes back and says he's beginning to cooperate more. It's amazing what people will believe. The guy has the weapons and he needs to fork them all over or face war. Enough of this BS already.

Tarkus

P.S. Next time I'll tell ya how I really feel.

GoldenEagle · 02-26-2003, 12:20 AM

War is looming...

Of course, we will still have to hear the French cry.

Mountain · 02-26-2003, 09:50 AM

I have seen the light. Saddam's refusal to destroy the missiles that exceed the range allowed has convinced me that we are dealing with a person who is in violation of his agreements. Its time to put up or shut up.

Tarkus · 02-26-2003, 09:53 AM

Well Blix has said the missiles are not debatable so it will be interesting to see how the UN responds if Saddam doesn't start destroying them by Saturday.

Tarkus

Frozenrope · 02-26-2003, 09:55 AM

"Tell me where the gate key is."

"I have no gate key."

"Fezzig, tear his arms off."

"Oh, you mean this gate key?"

The Princess Bride

Seems the only way Huessein does anything productive is when there's a gun in his face.

dacman · 02-26-2003, 09:55 AM

I've seen a lot of the Hitler/Saddam type comparisons and I have to say, after seeing a chunk of Dan Rather's interview, that unlike Hitler, Saddam is no madman. He is a cold, calculating, and deceptive power mongorer who seems to be getting a giant ego trip from all the vocal anti-war types. His goal is clearly to delay war as long as possible in an effort to win a political war of attrition in the arena of public (world) opinion. He has absolutely no intention of disarming, IMHO.

Tarkus · 02-26-2003, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Frozenrope
"Tell me where the gate key is."

"I have no gate key."

"Fezzig, tear his arms off."

"Oh, you mean this gate key?"

The Princess Bride

Seems the only way Huessein does anything productive is when there's a gun in his face.

Great movie and dead on in this case.

Tarkus

Anrhydeddu · 02-26-2003, 10:02 AM

Standing up to this power mongorer is exactly what the US and Brits have been doing, and what the French and Germans are too cowardly to do. It's not about making war (which may or may not happen) but negotiating from a position of strength.

Ben E Lou · 02-26-2003, 10:25 AM

I had a trip with some teenagers once. I was pretty sure that a certain group of them had brought alcohol on the trip. This was a group of kids that really needed to be there and could really benefit from the experience, so I didn't want to have to send them home. I decided to give them a speech that went something like this:

Quote:

Hey guys, I'm excited that y'all are on this trip, because I know we're going to have a blast together. We've got lots planned for your enjoyment. I say that because I'm pretty sure that some of you have brought some stuff with you that you shouldn't have. I want you to know that you aren't going to need that stuff to have a blast on this trip, and if I catch you with it, I'm going to call your folks and send you home. So, I'm going to offer you this: We're (there was one other leader in the cabin) going to leave the room for 5 minutes. When we come back, I want every bit of "contraband" in here on the counter. We'll dispose of it, and there will be no questions asked, and you won't be in any trouble. Anything we find after this, and you're getting sent home.

So, after this little speech, we walked out of the room. Five minutes later, upon our return, there are two beers sitting on the counter. The other leader and I looked at the beers, looked at each other and just burst out laughing. When I stopped laughing, I told them that they had better give it all up right then and there or I was going to search their bags. They brought out enough booze to stock a small liquor cabinet, enough pot to keep Snoop Dogg happy for a week, and even a few 'shrooms.

The funniest part of that whole incident to me was picturing them in the room after we left: "Dude, this stuff cost us good money. Let's just give up a little of it! {Guy puts one beer on counter.} Dude, you're such a moron. If you just put one beer out there, Ben's gonna know. Put two!" How stupid do they think I am????

How stupid does Saddam think we are??????

GrantDawg · 02-26-2003, 10:38 AM

Check the file...

Tarkus · 02-26-2003, 10:39 AM

Great analogy, but unfortunately we have some countries and people that are that stupid (or pretend to be for their own personal reasons).

Tarkus

mckerney · 02-26-2003, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Frozenrope
"Tell me where the gate key is."

"I have no gate key."

"Fezzig, tear his arms off."

"Oh, you mean this gate key?"

The Princess Bride

Seems the only way Huessein does anything productive is when there's a gun in his face.

Close, but I think what's going on is something more like this:

"Tell me where the gate key is."
"There's no gate."
"Oh, ok."

Fritz · 02-26-2003, 11:00 AM

All this talk of gates has me waiting for Zuul, Vinz Clortho, and the coming of Gozer.

Tarkus · 02-26-2003, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mckerney
Close, but I think what's going on is something more like this:

"Tell me where the gate key is."
"There's no gate."
"Oh, ok."

Tarkus

GrantDawg · 02-26-2003, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fritz
All this talk of gates has me waiting for Zuul, Vinz Clortho, and the coming of Gozer.

dogs and cats...living together...total anarchy!

heybrad · 02-26-2003, 11:10 AM

"Is it true what he's saying?"

"Yes, its true. This man has no dick."

Joe Canadian · 02-26-2003, 11:27 AM

Great job folks!!! People disagree with you and you call them morons/stupid.

This war has less to do with terrorism and protecting the people of the world than it does about oil and financial power for America. Thats my opinion. Other people have the right to have a differing opinion, I respect them for that. But just because they disagree with me doesn't make them stupid.

People of the world don't have to agree with everything American politicians say, and we don't have to believe them either. "SOME" Americans have to get around the notion that their opinions are far superior than those in other countries. Everyone has the right to have his/her opinion on this war. If you support it, good. If you're against it, good. You're not stupid just because you disagree with me...

Guess what people... France doesn't have to do everything Bush says. America doesn't control the citizens of France. Wether they are "techinically wrong" or not, doesn't make a difference. They aren't stupid just because they don't agree with America. Now I see everyone saying that French people are idiots just because they are French... Pointless...

Aylmar · 02-26-2003, 11:27 AM

"Symmetrical book stacking. Just like the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947."

"You're right, no human being would stack books like this."

McSweeny · 02-26-2003, 11:29 AM

well said joe

Tarkus · 02-26-2003, 11:31 AM

Joe Canadian, you're not French Canadian by any chance?

Tarkus

Aylmar · 02-26-2003, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Canadian
Now I see everyone saying that French people are idiots just because they are French... Pointless...

Hey, don't blame us! The Brits have been saying that about the French since before we were even a country.

CamEdwards · 02-26-2003, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Canadian
Great job folks!!! People disagree with you and you call them morons/stupid.

This war has less to do with terrorism and protecting the people of the world than it does about oil and financial power for America. Thats my opinion. Other people have the right to have a differing opinion, I respect them for that. But just because they disagree with me doesn't make them stupid.

People of the world don't have to agree with everything American politicians say, and we don't have to believe them either. "SOME" Americans have to get around the notion that their opinions are far superior than those in other countries. Everyone has the right to have his/her opinion on this war. If you support it, good. If you're against it, good. You're not stupid just because you disagree with me...

Guess what people... France doesn't have to do everything Bush says. America doesn't control the citizens of France. Wether they are "techinically wrong" or not, doesn't make a difference. They aren't stupid just because they don't agree with America. Now I see everyone saying that French people are idiots just because they are French... Pointless...

sigh. I will bite my tongue on this one.

Fritz · 02-26-2003, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Canadian
Everyone has the right to have his/her opinion on this war.

I don't know if everyone does have a right to HAVE an opinion. In the US we have right to express an opinion, even it is one we do not hold.

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Canadian
Americans have to get around the notion that their opinions are far superior than those in other countries.

But they are. That is why we are the best.

Dutch · 02-26-2003, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Great job folks!!! People disagree with you and you call them morons/stupid.

This war has less to do with terrorism and protecting the people of the world than it does about oil and financial power for America. Thats my opinion. Other people have the right to have a differing opinion, I respect them for that. But just because they disagree with me doesn't make them stupid.

People of the world don't have to agree with everything American politicians say, and we don't have to believe them either. "SOME" Americans have to get around the notion that their opinions are far superior than those in other countries. Everyone has the right to have his/her opinion on this war. If you support it, good. If you're against it, good. You're not stupid just because you disagree with me...

Guess what people... France doesn't have to do everything Bush says. America doesn't control the citizens of France. Wether they are "techinically wrong" or not, doesn't make a difference. They aren't stupid just because they don't agree with America. Now I see everyone saying that French people are idiots just because they are French... Pointless...

Gosh, I feel like such a stupid moron, now.

Aardvark · 02-26-2003, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dacman
I've seen a lot of the Hitler/Saddam type comparisons and I have to say, after seeing a chunk of Dan Rather's interview, that unlike Hitler, Saddam is no madman. He is a cold, calculating, and deceptive power mongorer who seems to be getting a giant ego trip from all the vocal anti-war types. His goal is clearly to delay war as long as possible in an effort to win a political war of attrition in the arena of public (world) opinion. He has absolutely no intention of disarming, IMHO.

So in other words he's more like Stalin. Great.

Joe Canadian · 02-26-2003, 03:19 PM

No I'm not French Canadian...

If people want to bite their tounge about my post thats their choice. But I don't know whats "wrong" with saying everyone can have a different opinion.

And if you want to feel like a stupid moron, I guess you can choose to do that. But in no way did I mean to call you a stupid moron.

Maple Leafs · 02-26-2003, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Canadian
If people want to bite their tounge about my post thats their choice. But I don't know whats "wrong" with saying everyone can have a different opinion.

Agreed that opinions can be different. However, I'm curious as to what your opinion that this war is about oil is based on.

Mustang · 02-26-2003, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dutch
Gosh, I feel like such a stupid moron, now.

I'm feeling very French too..

"Now go away or I shall be forced to taunt you a second time"

andy m · 02-26-2003, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aylmar
Hey, don't blame us! The Brits have been saying that about the French since before we were even a country.

no they haven't, only the imbecilic, tabloid reading, xenophobic nincompoops have been saying that. france is fine by me.

HornedFrog Purple · 02-26-2003, 04:33 PM

I used to laugh when I read this in college, I don't laugh so much anymore:

"Of course the people don't want war... That is understood. But... it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

--Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg trials in 1946

Allan Bloom sums it up for me:

The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside.

Get on that bandwagon it is the shizznit.

mckerney · 02-26-2003, 04:36 PM

Quote:

This war has less to do with terrorism and protecting the people of the world than it does about oil and financial power for America. Thats my opinion. Other people have the right to have a differing opinion, I respect them for that. But just because they disagree with me doesn't make them stupid.

France's reasons for not going to war has less to do with protecting people of the world than it does for protecting their own oil interests.

Quote:

People of the world don't have to agree with everything American politicians say, and we don't have to believe them either. "SOME" Americans have to get around the notion that their opinions are far superior than those in other countries. Everyone has the right to have his/her opinion on this war. If you support it, good. If you're against it, good. You're not stupid just because you disagree with me...

You think people in america agree with everything their politicians say? Funny

Quote:

Great job folks!!! People disagree with you and you call them morons/stupid.

Personally I have very strict guidelines to follow before saying someone is an "idiot" or a "moron".

For instance, I would call a person an "idiot" if I didn't agree with their ideas

Joe Canadian · 02-26-2003, 05:48 PM

No I don't think ALL Americans agree with their politicians, if you noticed I was referring to "SOME" Americans.

If you call someone an idiot because you don't agree with their ideas, thats your choice. Guess what? People are allowed to disagree with you... that doesn't make them an idiot... well in my mind anyway

.

And to answer Maple Leaf's question whic he posted earlier... I based my opinion on "facts," just like the "facts" used to link Iraq with Al Queda(sp?).

In conclusion... I'd just like to state something. I am all for getting rid of Sadaam, and for that matter killing the guy... However I'm not supporting a war, which I believe is being put together for all the wrong reasons... I am not for killing innocent people, in order to protect other innocent people, which basiclly says one countries citizens are more important than another's.

Peace!

RendeR · 02-26-2003, 05:58 PM

"The only real peace is that which is found on the other side of war...."

I forget who said that, but the longer this situation simmers the more meaningful this statement becomes.

mckerney · 02-26-2003, 05:58 PM

I am all for getting rid of Sadaam, and for that matter killing the guy... However I'm not supporting a war"

How would you go about getting rid of him then?

I've heard this kind of arguement before, but I haven't heard anyone that's made it come up with any kind of viable solution to get rid of Sadaam.

Joe Canadian · 02-26-2003, 06:39 PM

You're tottally right... I have no idea how to get rid of him, well thats not true I do have ideas but most out on a limb and ridiculus

. But I'm a 19 year old university student from St. John's, I hope to the almighty lord that the world isn't depending on me to come up with a solution to this problem

.

I think and hope the people running the world are somewhat smart and know how to resolve problems better than... "Lets declare war on them."

This is a copout... I know that. But me telling you my ideas of how to fix this problem is not going to matter much in the grand scheme of things... no one's going to listen to little ol' Joe Canadian. I don't agree with a war, but I'm not kidding myself... in the end, more than likely, there will be a war... but I still don't support an attack on innocent people, who have done nothing wrong (no, I'm not referring to Sadaam).

It's a complicated situation, and I don't know all the facts... none of us do. But having a war, and further angering people who already hate you doesn't seem like much of a solution. People say this war will create 10 more Sadaam's and Osama's, and I think thats true. Maybe we should be looking to help the citizens of Iraq get rid of this dictator themselves, or maybe we need to be doing more in the way of foreign aid... who knows.

I'm going to stop typing now because I'm rambling

...

02-26-2003, 12:20 AM	#2
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	War is looming... Of course, we will still have to hear the French cry. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014 Last edited by GoldenEagle : 02-26-2003 at 12:20 AM.

02-26-2003, 09:50 AM	#3
Mountain Mascot Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Columbia, S.C.	I have seen the light. Saddam's refusal to destroy the missiles that exceed the range allowed has convinced me that we are dealing with a person who is in violation of his agreements. Its time to put up or shut up. __________________ At death you will receive everlasting consciousness . . . So I've got that going for me.

02-26-2003, 09:53 AM	#4
Tarkus High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2001	Well Blix has said the missiles are not debatable so it will be interesting to see how the UN responds if Saddam doesn't start destroying them by Saturday. Tarkus __________________ Winning may not be everything, but losing isn't anything.

02-26-2003, 09:55 AM	#5
Frozenrope Mascot Join Date: Feb 2003	"Tell me where the gate key is." "I have no gate key." "Fezzig, tear his arms off." "Oh, you mean this gate key?" The Princess Bride Seems the only way Huessein does anything productive is when there's a gun in his face. __________________ It's not my show, but I'm on that show - Dick Juaron

02-26-2003, 09:55 AM	#6
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	I've seen a lot of the Hitler/Saddam type comparisons and I have to say, after seeing a chunk of Dan Rather's interview, that unlike Hitler, Saddam is no madman. He is a cold, calculating, and deceptive power mongorer who seems to be getting a giant ego trip from all the vocal anti-war types. His goal is clearly to delay war as long as possible in an effort to win a political war of attrition in the arena of public (world) opinion. He has absolutely no intention of disarming, IMHO. __________________ No signatures allowed.

02-26-2003, 10:02 AM	#8
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	Standing up to this power mongorer is exactly what the US and Brits have been doing, and what the French and Germans are too cowardly to do. It's not about making war (which may or may not happen) but negotiating from a position of strength.

02-26-2003, 10:38 AM	#10
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Check the file...

02-26-2003, 10:39 AM	#11
Tarkus High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2001	Great analogy, but unfortunately we have some countries and people that are that stupid (or pretend to be for their own personal reasons). Tarkus __________________ Winning may not be everything, but losing isn't anything. Last edited by Tarkus : 02-26-2003 at 10:40 AM.

02-26-2003, 11:00 AM	#13
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	All this talk of gates has me waiting for Zuul, Vinz Clortho, and the coming of Gozer. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

02-26-2003, 11:10 AM	#16
heybrad Norm!!! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Manassas, VA	"Is it true what he's saying?" "Yes, its true. This man has no dick."

02-26-2003, 11:27 AM	#17
Joe Canadian College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada	Great job folks!!! People disagree with you and you call them morons/stupid. This war has less to do with terrorism and protecting the people of the world than it does about oil and financial power for America. Thats my opinion. Other people have the right to have a differing opinion, I respect them for that. But just because they disagree with me doesn't make them stupid. People of the world don't have to agree with everything American politicians say, and we don't have to believe them either. "SOME" Americans have to get around the notion that their opinions are far superior than those in other countries. Everyone has the right to have his/her opinion on this war. If you support it, good. If you're against it, good. You're not stupid just because you disagree with me... Guess what people... France doesn't have to do everything Bush says. America doesn't control the citizens of France. Wether they are "techinically wrong" or not, doesn't make a difference. They aren't stupid just because they don't agree with America. Now I see everyone saying that French people are idiots just because they are French... Pointless... __________________ Steve Davis (Joe Canadian) GO LEAFS GO!! GO FOG DEVILS GO!! LETS GO JAYS!! EHM 2005 DYNASTY: A New Philosophy in Toronto!

02-26-2003, 11:27 AM	#18
Aylmar High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Los Angeles	"Symmetrical book stacking. Just like the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947." "You're right, no human being would stack books like this." __________________ "At its best, football is still football, an amalgam of thought and violence, chess with broken bones and shredded ligaments." -- Dave Kindred

02-26-2003, 11:29 AM	#19
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	well said joe

02-26-2003, 11:31 AM	#20
Tarkus High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2001	Joe Canadian, you're not French Canadian by any chance? Tarkus __________________ Winning may not be everything, but losing isn't anything.

02-26-2003, 03:19 PM	#26
Joe Canadian College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada	No I'm not French Canadian... If people want to bite their tounge about my post thats their choice. But I don't know whats "wrong" with saying everyone can have a different opinion. And if you want to feel like a stupid moron, I guess you can choose to do that. But in no way did I mean to call you a stupid moron. __________________ Steve Davis (Joe Canadian) GO LEAFS GO!! GO FOG DEVILS GO!! LETS GO JAYS!! EHM 2005 DYNASTY: A New Philosophy in Toronto!

02-26-2003, 04:33 PM	#30
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	I used to laugh when I read this in college, I don't laugh so much anymore: "Of course the people don't want war... That is understood. But... it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." --Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg trials in 1946 Allan Bloom sums it up for me: The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside. Get on that bandwagon it is the shizznit. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

02-26-2003, 05:48 PM	#32
Joe Canadian College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada	No I don't think ALL Americans agree with their politicians, if you noticed I was referring to "SOME" Americans. If you call someone an idiot because you don't agree with their ideas, thats your choice. Guess what? People are allowed to disagree with you... that doesn't make them an idiot... well in my mind anyway . And to answer Maple Leaf's question whic he posted earlier... I based my opinion on "facts," just like the "facts" used to link Iraq with Al Queda(sp?). In conclusion... I'd just like to state something. I am all for getting rid of Sadaam, and for that matter killing the guy... However I'm not supporting a war, which I believe is being put together for all the wrong reasons... I am not for killing innocent people, in order to protect other innocent people, which basiclly says one countries citizens are more important than another's. Peace! __________________ Steve Davis (Joe Canadian) GO LEAFS GO!! GO FOG DEVILS GO!! LETS GO JAYS!! EHM 2005 DYNASTY: A New Philosophy in Toronto!

02-26-2003, 05:58 PM	#33
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	"The only real peace is that which is found on the other side of war...." I forget who said that, but the longer this situation simmers the more meaningful this statement becomes. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

02-26-2003, 05:58 PM	#34
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I am all for getting rid of Sadaam, and for that matter killing the guy... However I'm not supporting a war" How would you go about getting rid of him then? I've heard this kind of arguement before, but I haven't heard anyone that's made it come up with any kind of viable solution to get rid of Sadaam.

02-26-2003, 06:39 PM	#35
Joe Canadian College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada	You're tottally right... I have no idea how to get rid of him, well thats not true I do have ideas but most out on a limb and ridiculus . But I'm a 19 year old university student from St. John's, I hope to the almighty lord that the world isn't depending on me to come up with a solution to this problem . I think and hope the people running the world are somewhat smart and know how to resolve problems better than... "Lets declare war on them." This is a copout... I know that. But me telling you my ideas of how to fix this problem is not going to matter much in the grand scheme of things... no one's going to listen to little ol' Joe Canadian. I don't agree with a war, but I'm not kidding myself... in the end, more than likely, there will be a war... but I still don't support an attack on innocent people, who have done nothing wrong (no, I'm not referring to Sadaam). It's a complicated situation, and I don't know all the facts... none of us do. But having a war, and further angering people who already hate you doesn't seem like much of a solution. People say this war will create 10 more Sadaam's and Osama's, and I think thats true. Maybe we should be looking to help the citizens of Iraq get rid of this dictator themselves, or maybe we need to be doing more in the way of foreign aid... who knows. I'm going to stop typing now because I'm rambling ... __________________ Steve Davis (Joe Canadian) GO LEAFS GO!! GO FOG DEVILS GO!! LETS GO JAYS!! EHM 2005 DYNASTY: A New Philosophy in Toronto!

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