Knicks get Jamal Crawford

Arles · 08-05-2004, 09:37 PM

I didn't see a thread on this already, so here's the link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1853011

For those of you down on the Knicks, cheer up as Crawford is one of the good young players and should help New York get a little younger.

For those of you riding high on the Knicks, bear in mind that New York has managed to corral yet another bad contract in this process in Jerome Williams.

Figure that about covers it

Suicane75 · 08-05-2004, 09:44 PM

I don't profess to be a BBall expert, but ya gotta admire the way Isiah has reshaped a team that was in a real bad way when he took over. I don't know if they're any better than they were but at least now they have a little bit of marquee.

cthomer5000 · 08-05-2004, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

I don't profess to be a BBall expert, but ya gotta admire the way Isiah has reshaped a team that was in a real bad way when he took over. I don't know if they're any better than they were but at least now they have a little bit of marquee.

LOL. And many, many years of mediocre players with GIGANTIC contracts to deal with.

There are plenty of first round playoff exits to look forward to.

Suicane75 · 08-05-2004, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

LOL. And many, many years of mediocre players with GIGANTIC contracts to deal with.

There are plenty of first round playoff exits to look forward to.

Yeah, but didn't they have that same thing when he took over? At least now they have NY Name value in Marbery and some youth.

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding · 08-05-2004, 10:19 PM

From the Bulls perspective, I am not sure why they did this. Yes, Crawford plays no defense and can't shoot and is selfish BUT he is still young and had a couple of 40 point games last year and with some patience could develop into a great player. After all as much of a pain as he was, he was the top point scorer on the team. I think a 3 guard rotation of Hinrich, Crawford and Gordon could have been very productive. As it is now the bulls have salary cap space for next year. Whoopee. Wasn't that the same brilliant strategy behind the forcing out of Jordan? And who did we get out of it? Ron friggin Mercer.

Neuqua · 08-05-2004, 10:49 PM

I think it was a solid deal for the Bulls. Crawford was the highest scorer on a very lousy team. He did not play any defense which completely soured both Paxson and Skiles. And there was not a single other team in the league willing to give Crawford even the MLE, and NYK went ahead and gave him $56 million dollars, if the Bulls had matched that, it would have just been another albatross contract.

From my point of view, we traded a player who we didn't really want in the first place, and on top of that got rid of a very bad contract. And I think Frank Williams is a quality NBA PG also. I like the move.

stevew · 08-06-2004, 01:23 AM

Finally this stupid ass trade goes through. After hearing about this for over 6 weeks, I could only assume that Isiah wanted to have Crawfords baby, with all the love he was showing JC.

hoopsguy · 08-06-2004, 05:48 AM

New York, good luck with Crawford. One stat that gets thrown out in regards to him is that he had the worst ratio of 3-point shots to free throws in the league. It isn't that he can't get to the basket, because he can. But he is infatuated with his shot. He will abandon a set offense to freelance too quickly, misses a ton of off-balance shots, and just doesn't run the point in anything resembling a true 1. His defense has gone from non-existant to just tragically bad over the past few seasons. He will have games where he goes for 30, but is he even outscoring his man on these nights?

Also, the Jerome Williams contract is particularly brutal. I believe there are 3-4 seasons remaining on it. Nice to have an energy guy in the lineup (although Junkyard Dog is now an aging energy guy) but not at this pricetag. The Bulls picked up expiring contracts, providing them the opportunity to get turned down by free agents again in the 2005 offseason.

Daimyo · 08-06-2004, 11:51 AM

I think its a very nice deal for the Bulls. Crawford seems to me like a younger Jalen Rose.

rufusjonz · 08-06-2004, 12:24 PM

Another selfish player for the knicks -- but overall i think its a pretty good trade...hes young with lots of points ahead of him.

BUT Marbury...i recently saw a Bill James-type analysis of the most over-rated under-rated players in the NBA and he was near the top...it was based a lot on how the team performs with him in the lineup vs. other lineup combinations. Francis and Stackhouse were also rated poorly, based on 1-2 year old data i think.

08-05-2004, 10:49 PM	#6
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	I think it was a solid deal for the Bulls. Crawford was the highest scorer on a very lousy team. He did not play any defense which completely soured both Paxson and Skiles. And there was not a single other team in the league willing to give Crawford even the MLE, and NYK went ahead and gave him $56 million dollars, if the Bulls had matched that, it would have just been another albatross contract. From my point of view, we traded a player who we didn't really want in the first place, and on top of that got rid of a very bad contract. And I think Frank Williams is a quality NBA PG also. I like the move. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

08-06-2004, 12:24 PM	#10
rufusjonz Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lexington, KY	marbury sucks Another selfish player for the knicks -- but overall i think its a pretty good trade...hes young with lots of points ahead of him. BUT Marbury...i recently saw a Bill James-type analysis of the most over-rated under-rated players in the NBA and he was near the top...it was based a lot on how the team performs with him in the lineup vs. other lineup combinations. Francis and Stackhouse were also rated poorly, based on 1-2 year old data i think.

08-05-2004, 09:44 PM	#2
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	I don't profess to be a BBall expert, but ya gotta admire the way Isiah has reshaped a team that was in a real bad way when he took over. I don't know if they're any better than they were but at least now they have a little bit of marquee.

08-05-2004, 10:19 PM	#5
LastWhiteSoxFanStanding College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003	From the Bulls perspective, I am not sure why they did this. Yes, Crawford plays no defense and can't shoot and is selfish BUT he is still young and had a couple of 40 point games last year and with some patience could develop into a great player. After all as much of a pain as he was, he was the top point scorer on the team. I think a 3 guard rotation of Hinrich, Crawford and Gordon could have been very productive. As it is now the bulls have salary cap space for next year. Whoopee. Wasn't that the same brilliant strategy behind the forcing out of Jordan? And who did we get out of it? Ron friggin Mercer.

08-06-2004, 01:23 AM	#7
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Finally this stupid ass trade goes through. After hearing about this for over 6 weeks, I could only assume that Isiah wanted to have Crawfords baby, with all the love he was showing JC.

08-06-2004, 05:48 AM	#8
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	New York, good luck with Crawford. One stat that gets thrown out in regards to him is that he had the worst ratio of 3-point shots to free throws in the league. It isn't that he can't get to the basket, because he can. But he is infatuated with his shot. He will abandon a set offense to freelance too quickly, misses a ton of off-balance shots, and just doesn't run the point in anything resembling a true 1. His defense has gone from non-existant to just tragically bad over the past few seasons. He will have games where he goes for 30, but is he even outscoring his man on these nights? Also, the Jerome Williams contract is particularly brutal. I believe there are 3-4 seasons remaining on it. Nice to have an energy guy in the lineup (although Junkyard Dog is now an aging energy guy) but not at this pricetag. The Bulls picked up expiring contracts, providing them the opportunity to get turned down by free agents again in the 2005 offseason.

08-06-2004, 11:51 AM	#9
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	I think its a very nice deal for the Bulls. Crawford seems to me like a younger Jalen Rose.

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