(Poker) Well.. one of us will be at the WCOOP ;)

[SirFozzie]

That's the World Series Of Online Poker (Pokerstars)

I just won (really finished top 2, but I had most chips so I consider it a win) a $14+1 "Double Shootout" (81 players, the winner of each of the 9 beginning tables advances to a final table, where two qualify) for Event #5 at PokerStars's WCOOP.

It's a $500+30 NL Hold Em slugfest, and it's the 1st of August. $500,000 is guaranteed, but there will be a LOTmore then that, because this thing gets HUGE.

But I am SO dead money.

Why?

Because, amongst other entries in this NL Holdem event... is Greg "Fossillman" Raymer.

You know.. the guy who just last month, took home the $5 million dollar first prize at the REAL DEAL? The World Series of Poker?

God.. I dunno whether to take my $530 in tournament money, sell it for $400-500 real money.. or try it. What's the worst that could happen?

Don't answer that.

[hukarez]

...you only live once!

[vtbub]

Moneymaker was considered dead money last year.

Ya never know.

[Radii]

You know we had a conversation about this on anothe board. What do you do if you win a 10K entry to the WSOP? You know you got lucky, you consider yourself dead money. Do you sell your entry or go play in it and take your shot? You can get say 9K for your entry no problem.


I'd play in the tourney myself, espicially yours foz. You've played well in some large tourneys.

[Logan]

I'd definitely play. Think of it in the same way you think of a present for an upcoming holiday..."something you would want, but would never buy for yourself."

[Logan]

Dola...

Congrats.

[sabotai]

What's the worst that could happen?

You gain valuable playing experience against quality, world-class players.

[TLK]

I would play just to see what happens.... I would actually love to watch someone I "know"....

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by sabotai

You gain valuable playing experience against quality, world-class players.

For one hand

Hey, he said the worst.

[AnalBumCover]

The last time you asked this question, you parlayed $40-50 into $1,125. And it was the most fun I've ever had watching anyone play.

Hell yeah you should play. FossilMan will know on that day what FOFC is all about. That is, until he busts you out with pocket rockets and his reptile glasses.

We'll be watching, dude. Good luck!

[digamma]

There is an article on ESPN's page 2 by their "Jackpot Jay" who played in a tournament with Raymer after the WSOP. Jay made the final table and Raymer did not.

Play the tourney.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman

For one hand

Hey, he said the worst.

Heheh, but it's still more than what I'm going to get.

[Robbiero67]

Well done, and Good Luck if you decide to play Foz... and not to threadjack, but just a quick question regarding the WCOOP, is it exclusively run on and using Pokerstars (as I'm inferring from your post)? Or are other sites in on the action as well?

[SirFozzie]

as far as I know.. it is totally a PokerStars creation.. which is a sign of how big online poker has gotten:

Last year, when PokerStars hosted the 2003 WCOOP, there was 11 events, and almost $2.8 million in prize money. This year, there is already *4 Million* dollars in prize money guaranteed. It does help that this year's main event is 2500+100, last year's main event was $1000 buy in, and if this year's main even MATCHES the 891 entries, it will be worth $2,227,500. Personally I think that will be double or triple that amount.

[QuikSand]

Let's think this through. Let's say that there are 99 players in a tournament who are all people like Sir Fozzie ... players who dabble online, win here and there, maybe most fo them are "plus players" and they all won their way into this event through some sort of qualifying events. Then you add one hotshot tournament professional ... whoever is the most intimidating player of all.

What is the likelihood that the hotshot wins the event? If a random player starts out with a 1% chance, does the hotshot win it 2% of the time? 10%? 25%? 50%? 75%?

I don't see how any one player can be much of an intimidating factor in any single event. Over the course of maybe 100 tournaments against the best field the superstar might have the best overall record... but so many thing can happen in one event, it's silly to worry about any one player. Fossilman might have a 5% chance of winning the event I described above... that still makes him quite a longshot.

Good luck, Foz.

[albionmoonlight]

Look at it this way--would you rather have the money or the fun of playing in the tourney? If someone offered you a $500 night on the town or a seat at the table, which would you take?

Don't worry about whether you are dead money. Think about what a seat at the table is worth to you.

[SirFozzie]

I'm going to play it, after all, all I REALLY have invested is $15 for the double shootout. I might play a couple more tournies and see if I can get more WCOOP$, now that I'm in.. but when you consider it.. $15 and several hours of effort for a chance at a 200K+ Payday (Admittedly, I'm the longest of long shots, but you can't win unless you play)..

I should start up a AIM Chatroom so you can play along with me

Also: If anyone ever wants to kibitz, or even challenge me to a game sometime or whatever.. send me a IM or something. I always enjoy (well.. not always, but at least Most of the time) talking poker. Ask RPI-Fan.. he was sitting in on some of my past tournies..

[cthomer5000]

Since this thread brought the WCOOP to my attention, I've entered the 'double shootout' that's currently running.

Wish me luck - No Limit is definitely not my strength.

[SirFozzie]

Cool.. what's your PS nick?

[SirFozzie]

Nevermind. Found ya. Go, you Joisey Bum

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Cool.. what's your PS nick?

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Nevermind. Found ya. Go, you Joisey Bum

I don't make things much of a mystery.

[cthomer5000]

Fozz, if you check back in...

how long did this thing run when you played it?

[SirFozzie]

the first tables took a while, I was done in about 35 minutes, but a couple tables lasted past the first break.

Once you get to the final table it speeds up. remember.. although 7 place out of 9 at the final table, it jumps from $15 for third to $530 entry for 2nd So you gotta play it like it's a SnG you need to win

[cthomer5000]

just doubled up. down to 6 at our table and i'm clear-cut chip leader right now. with about 50% more chips than the 2nd and 3rd guys right now.

[cthomer5000]

don't mess with my pocket pairs.

[cthomer5000]

I've made it to the first break at least. However, only 1 table has finished the first round, and there are still 26 people alive on the other 8 tables.

3 are on mine, where I've got a pretty decent chip lead over the other 2 players.

I'm at about 6,500 and they are both at ~3,500

[RPI-Fan]

I'm watchin' ya', ct...

[RPI-Fan]

Way to be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great play there.

[cthomer5000]

whew... I'm glad the 8's were enough.

almost time for round 2.

[cthomer5000]

again.. 8's. I had a set there, for anyone who was observing.

[cthomer5000]

suspect call blows the fat pot I had previously won...

edit: I need to win another hand soon... that one will keep haunting me until I do. WTF was I thinking?

[SirFozzie]

Just relax. Play tight/super agressive. They feel the same way you do. They want to play from a position of strength. Make a few low level bluffs. You can still afford it

[SirFozzie]

Talk about a RUSH...

*********** # 10 **************
PokerStars Game #502356552: Tournament #1874861, Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2004/06/22 - 21:22:32 (ET)
Table '1874861 4' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Gwaihir (945 in chips)
Seat 2: SoTGB (630 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: scheister (1515 in chips)
Seat 4: SirFozzie (6845 in chips)
Seat 5: morello05 (3966 in chips)
Seat 6: SPONGETODD (1574 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: 10&2Flip (2420 in chips)
Seat 8: wolfmannola (4810 in chips)
Seat 9: GulahPapyrus (6165 in chips)
scheister: posts small blind 50
SirFozzie: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFozzie [Kd Jd]
morello05: folds
SPONGETODD: folds
SPONGETODD is connected
SPONGETODD has returned
10&2Flip: raises 300 to 400
wolfmannola: folds
GulahPapyrus: folds
Gwaihir: folds
SoTGB: folds
scheister: folds
SirFozzie: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Jh 3s Ks]
SirFozzie: checks
10&2Flip: checks
*** TURN *** [Jh 3s Ks] [8d]
SPONGETODD said, "what was the flop last hand"
SirFozzie: checks
10&2Flip: bets 500
SirFozzie: raises 500 to 1000
SPONGETODD said, "was K A ne good"
10&2Flip: raises 1020 to 2020 and is all-in
SirFozzie: calls 1020
*** RIVER *** [Jh 3s Ks 8d] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SirFozzie: shows [Kd Jd] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
10&2Flip: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
SirFozzie collected 4890 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4890 | Rake 0
Board [Jh 3s Ks 8d 7c]
Seat 1: Gwaihir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SoTGB (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: scheister (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: SirFozzie (big blind) showed [Kd Jd] and won (4890) with two
pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 5: morello05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SPONGETODD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 10&2Flip showed [As Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: wolfmannola folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: GulahPapyrus folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[SirFozzie]

Then...

*********** # 5 **************
PokerStars Game #502365052: Tournament #1874861, Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2004/06/22 - 21:26:34 (ET)
Table '1874861 4' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Gwaihir (2040 in chips)
Seat 2: SoTGB (630 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: scheister (1465 in chips)
Seat 4: SirFozzie (9265 in chips)
Seat 5: morello05 (2966 in chips)
Seat 6: SPONGETODD (1424 in chips)
Seat 7: hockeyking (2560 in chips)
Seat 8: wolfmannola (5710 in chips)
Seat 9: GulahPapyrus (4015 in chips)
wolfmannola: posts small blind 50
GulahPapyrus: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFozzie [6c 5c]
Gwaihir: folds
SoTGB: folds
SoTGB has returned
scheister: folds
SirFozzie: calls 100
morello05: folds
hockeyking said, "but i thought he had A x..."
SPONGETODD: calls 100
hockeyking: folds
wolfmannola: calls 50
GulahPapyrus: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd 7c Qc]
wolfmannola: checks
GulahPapyrus: checks
SirFozzie: bets 400
SPONGETODD: folds
wolfmannola: calls 400
GulahPapyrus: folds
*** TURN *** [Kd 7c Qc] [4c]
wolfmannola: checks
SirFozzie: bets 1000
wolfmannola: calls 1000
*** RIVER *** [Kd 7c Qc 4c] [Th]
wolfmannola: checks
SirFozzie: bets 7765 and is all-in
wolfmannola: calls 4210 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SirFozzie: shows [6c 5c] (a flush, Queen high)
wolfmannola: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
SirFozzie collected 11620 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11620 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 7c Qc 4c Th]
Seat 1: Gwaihir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SoTGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: scheister folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SirFozzie showed [6c 5c] and won (11620) with a flush, Queen
high
Seat 5: morello05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SPONGETODD folded on the Flop
Seat 7: hockeyking (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: wolfmannola (small blind) showed [Ad As] and lost with a pair
of Aces
Seat 9: GulahPapyrus (big blind) folded on the Flop

[SirFozzie]

AND THEN...

*********** # 2 **************
PokerStars Game #502370114: Tournament #1874861, Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2004/06/22 - 21:28:57 (ET)
Table '1874861 4' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Gwaihir (1990 in chips)
Seat 2: SoTGB (480 in chips)
Seat 3: scheister (1265 in chips)
Seat 4: SirFozzie (15125 in chips)
Seat 5: morello05 (3416 in chips)
Seat 6: SPONGETODD (1324 in chips)
Seat 7: hockeyking (2560 in chips)
Seat 8: gouthem (2775 in chips)
Seat 9: GulahPapyrus (3915 in chips)
scheister: posts small blind 50
SirFozzie: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFozzie [Qs Qc]
morello05: folds
SPONGETODD: folds
hockeyking: folds
gouthem: folds
GulahPapyrus: raises 200 to 300
Gwaihir: calls 300
SoTGB: folds
scheister: folds
SirFozzie: raises 1200 to 1500
GulahPapyrus: folds
Gwaihir: raises 490 to 1990 and is all-in
SirFozzie: calls 490
*** FLOP *** [5s 3c 7c]
*** TURN *** [5s 3c 7c] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [5s 3c 7c 2s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SirFozzie: shows [Qs Qc] (two pair, Queens and Fives)
Gwaihir: shows [Qh Ah] (a pair of Fives)
Gwaihir is sitting out
SirFozzie collected 4330 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4330 | Rake 0
Board [5s 3c 7c 2s 5c]
Seat 1: Gwaihir showed [Qh Ah] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 2: SoTGB (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: scheister (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: SirFozzie (big blind) showed [Qs Qc] and won (4330) with two
pair, Queens and Fives
Seat 5: morello05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SPONGETODD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: hockeyking folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gouthem folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: GulahPapyrus folded before Flop

[SirFozzie]

AND THEN?!?!?!?

*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #502372336: Tournament #1874861, Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2004/06/22 - 21:30:00 (ET)
Table '1874861 4' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: SoTGB (480 in chips)
Seat 3: scheister (1215 in chips)
Seat 4: SirFozzie (17465 in chips)
Seat 5: morello05 (3416 in chips)
Seat 6: SPONGETODD (1324 in chips)
Seat 7: hockeyking (2560 in chips)
Seat 8: gouthem (2775 in chips)
Seat 9: GulahPapyrus (3615 in chips)
SirFozzie: posts small blind 50
morello05: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFozzie [Th Ac]
GulahPapyrus said, "nh"
SPONGETODD: folds
scheister said, "what a lucky dude fuzzie"
hockeyking: folds
gouthem: folds
GulahPapyrus: folds
SoTGB: raises 380 to 480 and is all-in
scheister: folds
SirFozzie: raises 380 to 860
morello05: folds
SirFozzie said, "Hey.. when the deck is running you over.. you play
em."
scheister said, "big bully"
*** FLOP *** [6d 7d 7c]
*** TURN *** [6d 7d 7c] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [6d 7d 7c 6h] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SirFozzie: shows [Th Ac] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
SoTGB: shows [8h Qh] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes - lower kicker)
scheister said, "oops"
SirFozzie collected 1060 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1060 | Rake 0
Board [6d 7d 7c 6h 5h]
Seat 2: SoTGB showed [8h Qh] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 3: scheister (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SirFozzie (small blind) showed [Th Ac] and won (1060) with two
pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 5: morello05 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: SPONGETODD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: hockeyking folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gouthem folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: GulahPapyrus folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[cthomer5000]

whew. KK gets my back into a solid 2nd place. only 7 of us remain, with 2 on the ropes.

[JeeberD]

What the heck card is "Th"?

[SirFozzie]

10 of Hearts

[JeeberD]

Aha! Thanks, Foz...

[cthomer5000]

We're down to 5 and just kind of treading water... i'm in 2nd/3rd depending on each hand.

[cthomer5000]

bad news: my stack is dwindling
good news: most people's are

It's one dominant player and 4 also-rans.

Still, i'm now in 5th position.

[sovereignstar]

And c-t goes all-in...

[cthomer5000]

bleh.

finish 4th when a known blind stealer goes all in. I call with KQc, he turns over AJo.

board is 2-2-T-A-2

at least i got my $15 back.