Poker Players/Gamblers: 2004 WSOP odds to win and some "last longer" bets

[cthomer5000]

Saturday, May 22 (1:00 pm) - 2004 WSOP World Championship Event - Odds-to-Win Odds

All wagers have action * For more information on BoDog Poker visit www.bodog.com/poker Field includes all other Players NOT Listed (On complete List).

Phil Ivey 12/1 Preview Howard Lederer (The Professor) 14/1 Scotty Nguyen 15/1 Phil Hellmuth 16/1 Gus Hansen 16/1 Erick Lindgren 18/1 Dutch Boyd 20/1 Dan Harrington 20/1 Johnny Chan 20/1 Barry Greenstein 22/1 Chris "Jesus" Ferguson 22/1 Daniel Negreanu 25/1 Erik Seidel 25/1 Sammy Farha 25/1 Chris Moneymaker 30/1 Layne Flack 30/1 Antonio Esfandiari 30/1 Phil Gordon 35/1 Annie Duke 40/1 Jennifer Harman 40/1 Men Nguyen 45/1 Amir Vahedi 50/1 Hoyt Corkins 50/1 Chip Jett 30/1 Andy Glazer 60/1 Barry Shulman 60/1 T.J. Cloutier 60/1 Noel Furlong 60/1 Jason Lester 60/1 Barny Boatman 60/1 David "Devilfish" Ulliott 60/1 Kathy Liebert 80/1 John Juanda 70/1 Jose Rosenkrantz 70/1 Paul Phillips 70/1 Tom McEvoy 80/1 Paul Darden 90/1 Thor Hansen 90/1 Carlos Mortensen 90/1 Jeff Shulman 90/1 Doyle Brunson 190/1 Robert Varkonyi 100/1 Tony G. 150/1 Humberto Brenes 100/1 Huck Seed 100/1 Mimi Tran 100/1 Amarillo Slim 235/1 Alan Goehring 100/1 Gabe Kaplan 750/1 Ben Affleck 1000/1 Field (All Other Players) 1/1

Saturday, May 22nd (1:00 pm) 2004 WSOP World Championship Event - Head-to-Head Matchups Odds

Wager is for player to last longer in the 2004 WSOP * Both players must enter tournament for wagers to have action. * For more information on BoDog Poker visit www.bodog.com/poker

Chris Moneymaker +105 Preview Sammy Farha -145

Saturday, May 22nd (1:00 pm) 2004 WSOP World Championship Event - Head-to-Head Matchups Odds

Wager is for player to last longer in the 2004 WSOP * Both players must enter tournament for wagers to have action. * For more information on BoDog Poker visit www.bodog.com/poker

Phil Ivey -125 Preview Howard Lederer (The Professor) -115

Saturday, May 22nd (1:00 pm) 2004 WSOP World Championship Event - Head-to-Head Matchups Odds

Wager is for player to last longer in the 2004 WSOP * Both players must enter tournament for wagers to have action. * For more information on BoDog Poker visit www.bodog.com/poker

Johnny Chan -135 Preview Erik Seidel -105

Saturday, May 22nd (1:00 pm) 2004 WSOP World Championship Event - Head-to-Head Matchups Odds

Wager is for player to last longer in the 2004 WSOP * Both players must enter tournament for wagers to have action. * For more information on BoDog Poker visit www.bodog.com/poker

Chris Moneymaker -130 Preview Robert Varkonyi -110

Saturday, May 22nd (1:00 pm) 2004 WSOP World Championship Event - Head-to-Head Matchups Odds

Wager is for player to last longer in the 2004 WSOP * Both players must enter tournament for wagers to have action. * For more information on BoDog Poker visit www.bodog.com/poker

Phil Hellmuth -180 Preview Sam Grizzle +140

Saturday, May 22nd (1:00 pm) 2004 WSOP World Championship Event - Head-to-Head Matchups Odds

Wager is for player to last longer in the 2004 WSOP * Both players must enter tournament for wagers to have action. * For more information on BoDog Poker visit www.bodog.com/poker

Layne Flack -110 Preview Gus Hansen -130

my thoughts:
The field is so ridiculously huge that I think betting the field is a pretty solid bet.
And couldn't they find some other celebrity to put up against Ben Affleck to create another "lasts longer" bet? And is he seriously entering, or are they just throwing that out there?

[Chubby]

damnit, i got listed under "field" again...

[Turd Ferguson]

How many people are in this years event?

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson

How many people are in this years event?

unless they set a limit, we won't know until registration closes (which I assume is probably within hours of the start of the event). I think it's easily going to be 2,000+. There were around 850 last year.

[korme]

Why 2000 this time?

[k0ruptr]

the boom of chris moneymaker and online poker making wannabees and nevergonnabees entering.

[sabotai]

I'm note sure about 2,000. This still is a very expensive tournament to get into and I don't think the simple wannabes are going to put that much cash up to enter.

But I'm sure the online sites are making a fortune off of their WSOP qualifiers.

[korme]

i wanna play!

[korme]

/online poker making wannabee

[k0ruptr]

hell if i had 10 g's to waste id enter

[henry296]

A friend of mine tells me that the online sites are putting up at least 500 entries

[tucker342]

Scotty Nguyen is such a little bitch.
I can't stand him.


Last years WSOP was alot of fun to watch on ESPN. I love poker

[hoopsguy]

tucker342 = Humberto Brenes?

[B & B]

As a bettor, I can give you almost half that list that I will take bets ON.

Also as a humanitarian, I will tell everyone to never set up account or bet with bodog.

[Samdari]

Vegas Vic:

Have you ever entered/considered entering this tournament? Do you play any of these kinds of tourneys (like those shown on WPT)?

[Subby]

My dark horse is Paul Phillips - I have been pretty impressed with his overall game this year on the WPT.

[QuikSand]

Layne Flack is a damned good tournament player, who hasn't had the exposure on the televised events to boost his profile (a la Gus Hansen and others). There's no way he has the same likelihood of winning as Chris Moneymaker.

I don't think the individual odds on any single player make much sense as a betting opportunity, but I'd look at Flack and perhaps T.J. Cloutier, Carlos Mortensen, and Huck Seed as relative overlays.

1:1 on the field, eh? That might be the best bet of the lot.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Vegas Vic:

Have you ever entered/considered entering this tournament? Do you play any of these kinds of tourneys (like those shown on WPT)?

From what VV has posted here, he is essentially a limit player. He has posted once or twice about tournament play, but I think they were all limit tournaments.

Playing no limit is a very different game.

[Radii]

I'm amazed that Dutch Boyd is listed that high.

Moneymaker recently made the final table of another big money tournament IIRC, I think he is a very good tournament player and the WSOP was in no way a fluke, but yeah, someone like Flack should certainly be higher.

If I was going to wager on anything there, I would wager on Moneymaker outlasting Varkonyi


From what I've been reading, the WSOP has a 2000 person max this year. They are breaking day 1 into two days, half the field plays on day 1, the other half on day 2, and they merge what's left together for day 3 and on.

The big sites like PartyPoker and PokerStars are sending over 100 people each IIRC(can't check from work), possibly pokerstars is going to send 250+ themselves, and online poker as a whole 500+ easily.

[Craptacular]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Layne Flack is a damned good tournament player, who hasn't had the exposure on the televised events to boost his profile (a la Gus Hansen and others).

I think he's been on a bunch of the WPT final tables. I haven't watched all of them, but I think I've seen him in at least 3 WPT events.

[Honolulu Blue]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Layne Flack is a damned good tournament player, who hasn't had the exposure on the televised events to boost his profile (a la Gus Hansen and others). There's no way he has the same likelihood of winning as Chris Moneymaker.

I don't think the individual odds on any single player make much sense as a betting opportunity, but I'd look at Flack and perhaps T.J. Cloutier, Carlos Mortensen, and Huck Seed as relative overlays.

1:1 on the field, eh? That might be the best bet of the lot.

I agree that the field is probably the best bet of a bad lot here.

But, of course, the reason why Flack and Moneymaker have the same odds is that casinos try to even out the money among bets as much as they can. If they posted CM at, say, 100-1, they could get an influx of (mostly foolish) money bet on him, and the casino would be risking a lot. And casinos hate to take risks.

Betting lines are not designed to predict results. They are designed to predict how the betting public will predict the results. There's a difference, and that's why betting lines sometimes move, and why some people think they're beatable.

[k0ruptr]

phil ivey is the all the way up there, but he he is a damned good tourney player. i see him at the final table, but not winning it

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Craptacular

I think he's been on a bunch of the WPT final tables. I haven't watched all of them, but I think I've seen him in at least 3 WPT events.

My mistake. I've seen several WPT events, and must have just missed him by chance. Though without winning an event (I don't think he has) he won't have the same visibility as those who have won TV events, I'd guess.

[Craptacular]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

My mistake. I've seen several WPT events, and must have just missed him by chance. Though without winning an event (I don't think he has) he won't have the same visibility as those who have won TV events, I'd guess.

I found a page with WPT results:
hxxp://www.poker-babes.com/world-poker-tour/

In the first season, Layne won the Hollywood Invitational and finished second to Howard Lederer at the Foxwoods World Poker Finals.

[rufusjonz]

GO Devilfish!

I've played with him in England and he's a smooth mother effer.

I'm going to vegas may 10-15th, when Howard Stern is gonna be there -- i;ll be at the Bellagio $10/20 or $15/30 tables most likely. I'll be the guy in the Izod Alligator kangol-type hat.

BOYCOTT INTERNET LIMIT NON-TOURNAMENT POKER -- ITS A RIPOFF, IVE LOST ENOUGH TO KNOW LOL

Final thought: PL OM HI is the game of the future! Way more complex and interesting than Holdem, but watch out for that nasty river...