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Easy Mac · 02-03-2003, 11:57 AM

Well, seeing as how some in the US are suing Saudi Arabia, I don't see how it would be entirely out of the realm of possibility.

astralhaze · 02-03-2003, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
Why would ask anyone to rent that tripe?

I guess you could could use it under the leg of a wobbly table, but an old newspaper would do the trick and you would not have to return it in three days.

Well, I guess there are a few reasons, but number one would be that most people seem to think of war only in terms of politics and nations. War has very real human consequences, both on soldiers and civilians. This movie demonstrates this beautifuly. Oh yeah, and it is true.

Qwikshot · 02-03-2003, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by astralhaze
Well, I guess there are a few reasons, but number one would be that most people seem to think of war only in terms of politics and nations. War has very real human consequences, both on soldiers and civilians. This movie demonstrates this beautifuly. Oh yeah, and it is true.

It is true in a Hollywood sort of way...plus wasn't it Oliver Stone written/directed, one of the U.S. major conspiracy theorists?

Not to knock the movie, it is good, but there has to be something better out there...

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by astralhaze
Oh yeah, and it is true.

Uh huh, just like Oliver Stone's JFK.

astralhaze · 02-03-2003, 02:03 PM

Yes, it was a true story. It was based on the book by Ron Kovik, the protaganist of the story, who co-wrote the screenplay. I'm sure there were stretches of the truth, just like any movie that is based on a true story, but the key events are all true.

Kovik grew up dreaming of joining the marines and fighting the communists. Like most, he had very bad experiences in Vietnam and then was paralyzed. Later he became a very vocal and effective critic of the war in Vietnam and continues speaking out against war today.

TestAmenT · 02-03-2003, 02:11 PM

Whew....lot of anger in this thread. =)

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 02:15 PM

Israeli troops killed a Palestinian child in front of his family today.

Israeli troops defended themselves against a Palestinian armed with a grenade today.

Both could be a factual description of the same event.

astralhaze · 02-03-2003, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
Israeli troops killed a Palestinian child in front of his family today.

Israeli troops defended themselves against a Palestinian armed with a grenade today.

Both could be a factual description of the same event.

No kidding? You could stand to lose that air of superiority.

JimJam19 · 02-03-2003, 02:25 PM

About my thread, im not saying its all Arabs, although thats how i made it out to sound, hell i dont even know all about the middle east and all that crap.....also im not saying i wish death upon all the middle east people, i was just stating the obvious, in war, people die, whether it be a soldier or a civilian, thats the way it is.....and if it takes that to disarm someone who poses a threat to me, so be it........honestly, if there is going to be a huge debate about civilians dying during war, its a load of crap, bc that can be applied to anything in everyday life.......why not outlaw handguns and all kinds of firearms? that kills innocent people all yr long and for no reason, at least during war we are eliminating a threat, there is a reason behind it.

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by astralhaze
No kidding? You could stand to lose that air of superiority.

please clarify your observation.

KirbyPuckett · 02-03-2003, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by JimJam19
About my thread, im not saying its all Arabs, although thats how i made it out to sound, hell i dont even know all about the middle east and all that crap.....also im not saying i wish death upon all the middle east people, i was just stating the obvious, in war, people die, whether it be a soldier or a civilian, thats the way it is.....and if it takes that to disarm someone who poses a threat to me, so be it........honestly, if there is going to be a huge debate about civilians dying during war, its a load of crap, bc that can be applied to anything in everyday life.......why not outlaw handguns and all kinds of firearms? that kills innocent people all yr long and for no reason, at least during war we are eliminating a threat, there is a reason behind it.

Oh yeah, we were talking about
his or her thread im not saying its all Arabs although that is how he or she made it out to sound hell he or she do not even know all about the middle east and all that crap
.What are you saying?I'm not sure I understand the implication of that.If there ever is, I will let you know. Aren't you usually honest?Becuase you asked me to."Soon I think" kills innocent people all yr long and for no reason at least during war we are eliminating a threat there is a reason behind it ?
I get Soon I think.

astralhaze · 02-03-2003, 02:34 PM

You just stated the obvious in a manner which indicated that no one else would realize it but you. Of course, that is par for the course.

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by astralhaze
You just stated the obvious in a manner which indicated that no one else would realize it but you. Of course, that is par for the course.

I did? It is?

Chief Rum · 02-03-2003, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by astralhaze
You just stated the obvious in a manner which indicated that no one else would realize it but you. Of course, that is par for the course.

I'm sorry, astralhaze, but I think you're extending your own bias on Fritz. I sense no superiority at all. It is simply a collection of statements that make the point that two statements, both factually true, of the same situation, can yield completely different viewpoints and outrages. I am not sure if he is extending that to the media coverage of the Middle East or to the more recent Kovik screenplay/book discussions, but his point seems valid to me. I detect no "superiority" in it at all, and would hypothesize that you feel that way because you probably disagree with Fritz enough to actively dislike him.

Chief Rum

astralhaze · 02-03-2003, 02:59 PM

Of course his point is valid. That is why I said it was obvious. Anyone without intelectual blinders or willful ignorance realizes that. I don't actively dislike Fritz, but the way he constantly comes back with one liners rather than actually engaging in discussion and stating his opinion is quite condescending. It indicates that he is above the conversation and doesn't need to explain anything, his one comment should suffice.

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 03:24 PM

Why does one need to be verbose to make a point or to communicate?

Chief Rum · 02-03-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by astralhaze
Of course his point is valid. That is why I said it was obvious. Anyone without intelectual blinders or willful ignorance realizes that. I don't actively dislike Fritz, but the way he constantly comes back with one liners rather than actually engaging in discussion and stating his opinion is quite condescending. It indicates that he is above the conversation and doesn't need to explain anything, his one comment should suffice.

Then state something like this next time. Don't just throw out "air of superiority" and be done with it. Your meaning is no more clear than Fritz's in that case, and I would say you might even be then guilty of the very same "superiority" that you perceive in Fritz.

I still think that much of the "air of superiority" you perceive is entirely in your mind. Fritz does write with a lot of "confidence" but he is not alone in that category. You do the same, and many others here do as well, including myself I would imagine.

Chief Rum

astralhaze · 02-03-2003, 03:54 PM

Could be. Maybe it's just me. That's just how he strikes me anyway.

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 04:20 PM

for the record, I have never struck astralhaze

astralhaze · 02-03-2003, 04:33 PM

My spoon is too big.

I have a banana.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-03-2003, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
for the record, I have never struck astralhaze

But on the bright side, it's early yet

Schmidty · 02-03-2003, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
Why does one need to be verbose to make a point or to communicate?

Agreed.

Anthony · 02-03-2003, 10:53 PM

i'm a peaceful person too.

i just want cheaper gas.

Anthony · 02-03-2003, 10:56 PM

and motherfucker - full service doesn't mean you just pump my gas for me. check under that friggin hood and clean my windows.

this is how i roll in 2003. word to Big Bird.

02-03-2003, 02:11 PM	#56
TestAmenT test Join Date: Jan 2003	Whew....lot of anger in this thread. =) __________________ TestAmenT

02-03-2003, 02:15 PM	#57
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	Israeli troops killed a Palestinian child in front of his family today. Israeli troops defended themselves against a Palestinian armed with a grenade today. Both could be a factual description of the same event. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster Last edited by Fritz : 02-03-2003 at 02:15 PM.

02-03-2003, 02:34 PM	#62
astralhaze College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	You just stated the obvious in a manner which indicated that no one else would realize it but you. Of course, that is par for the course. __________________ I can understand Brutus at every meaning, but that parahraphy threw me for a loop.

02-03-2003, 02:59 PM	#65
astralhaze College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	Of course his point is valid. That is why I said it was obvious. Anyone without intelectual blinders or willful ignorance realizes that. I don't actively dislike Fritz, but the way he constantly comes back with one liners rather than actually engaging in discussion and stating his opinion is quite condescending. It indicates that he is above the conversation and doesn't need to explain anything, his one comment should suffice. __________________ I can understand Brutus at every meaning, but that parahraphy threw me for a loop.

02-03-2003, 03:24 PM	#66
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	Why does one need to be verbose to make a point or to communicate? __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

02-03-2003, 02:03 PM	#55
astralhaze College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	Yes, it was a true story. It was based on the book by Ron Kovik, the protaganist of the story, who co-wrote the screenplay. I'm sure there were stretches of the truth, just like any movie that is based on a true story, but the key events are all true. Kovik grew up dreaming of joining the marines and fighting the communists. Like most, he had very bad experiences in Vietnam and then was paralyzed. Later he became a very vocal and effective critic of the war in Vietnam and continues speaking out against war today.

02-03-2003, 02:25 PM	#59
JimJam19 n00b Join Date: Jan 2003	About my thread, im not saying its all Arabs, although thats how i made it out to sound, hell i dont even know all about the middle east and all that crap.....also im not saying i wish death upon all the middle east people, i was just stating the obvious, in war, people die, whether it be a soldier or a civilian, thats the way it is.....and if it takes that to disarm someone who poses a threat to me, so be it........honestly, if there is going to be a huge debate about civilians dying during war, its a load of crap, bc that can be applied to anything in everyday life.......why not outlaw handguns and all kinds of firearms? that kills innocent people all yr long and for no reason, at least during war we are eliminating a threat, there is a reason behind it.

02-03-2003, 03:54 PM	#68
astralhaze College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	Could be. Maybe it's just me. That's just how he strikes me anyway. __________________ I can understand Brutus at every meaning, but that parahraphy threw me for a loop.

02-03-2003, 04:20 PM	#69
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	for the record, I have never struck astralhaze __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

02-03-2003, 04:33 PM	#70
astralhaze College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	My spoon is too big. I have a banana. __________________ I can understand Brutus at every meaning, but that parahraphy threw me for a loop.

02-03-2003, 10:53 PM	#73
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i'm a peaceful person too. i just want cheaper gas.

02-03-2003, 10:56 PM	#74
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	and motherfucker - full service doesn't mean you just pump my gas for me. check under that friggin hood and clean my windows. this is how i roll in 2003. word to Big Bird.

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