Baseball Auction Round 2 Results

[BishopMVP]

The Deadline is 11:59 PM EST Saturday Night.



Results - http://www.geocities.com/bishopmvp5/auction.xls

Last thread - http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...6&page=1&pp=50

Rules same as before. I'm moving back out to UMass tomorrow, so I don't want to set a deadline until I'm sure I have everything working out there, but the sooner everyone gets them in the better.

[BishopMVP]

Picked up the following players:

Jeff Kent	103
Troy Percival	112
Willie Wells	12
Hilton Smith	12
Roy Face	62
Mike Marshall	57
Martin Dihigo	57
Leon Day	12

Those bids may seem high, but there was a big drop-off after Kent at 2B, and RP after Percival/Face/Marshall, so I figured I had to step up and fill in. Also picked up 4 great Negro Leaguers in the best SS, Willie Wells, 2 great pitchers for 5th starter and long relief in Leon Day and Hilton Smith and either my starting 3B or uber-backup in Martin Dihigo, who is listed as having played all 9 positions in his career.

[Vince]

I can't tell you how much I hate Suicane75 right now.

Griffey Jr, Ken - 123

Suicane75

Griffey Jr, Ken - 121

But I got a pretty good spread of players -

1B Rafael Palmeiro, 21
3B Bill Joyce, 12 (.435 career OBP, 47 SB/162 Games)
OF Kevin Mitchell, 2
OF Curt Flood, 2
OF Willie Wilson, 1 (668 Career SBs, Switch Hitter)
SP Kid Nichols, 131
SP Brett Saberhagen, 2
SP Vida Blue, 51
SP David Cone, 2
SP Rick Reuschel, 11
MR Rod Beck, 11
MR Dave Righetti, 11

Brings me to 20 total players. I've gotten just about everyone...but my OF isn't exactly star-studded, with Kevin Mitchell, Willie Wilson and Curt Flood.

My full squad thus far:

Pos	Player	Bid
C	Johnny Bench	86
1B	Rafael Palmeiro	21
2B	Craig Biggio	11
3B	Frank Baker	81
SS	Ozzie Smith	66
LF	Kevin Mitchell	2
RF	Curt Flood	2
CF	Willie Wilson	1
SP	Sandy Koufax	126
SP	Kid Nichols	131
SP	Brett Saberhagen	2
SP	Rick Reuschel	11
SP	Vida Blue	51
SP	David Cone	2
MR	Dave Righetti	11
MR	John Wetteland	1
MR	Rollie Fingers	39
CL	Rod Beck	11
MGR	Tony LaRussa	21
BENCH	Bill Joyce	12
BENCH
BENCH
BENCH
BENCH
BENCH
		Remaining:
		312

Can't say I'm disappointed in them...but I could use a power hitter or three.

[Maple Leafs]

How the hell did we all miss Griffey the first time around?

Well, I was still happy to get a two-time MVP and future 500+ HR guy for $1.

[sterlingice]

Ok, pass me some of what you guys are smoking. How does Griffey get 120-something or Ichiro get 70-something while HOF Billy Williams goes for 40 or Dale Murphy for like 20. Methinks there's a very young skew here.

SI

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Ok, pass me some of what you guys are smoking. How does Griffey get 120-something or Ichiro get 70-something while HOF Billy Williams goes for 40 or Dale Murphy for like 20. Methinks there's a very young skew here.

Well, Griffey is likely a case of a round two guy where people were bidding as much as they had left. He is a multi-time gold glover, with 500 HR power.

(But I do think Tris Speaker is a better CF...)

[Suicane75]

I think the format of an auction draft leads to the skew more than what people think of said players abilities.

[Suicane75]

1B- Cecil Fielder 1
2B- Pete Rose 77
SS- Pee Wee Reese 3
3B- Cap Anson 43
LF- Vince Coleman 1
CF- Ken Griffey Jr. 123
RF-
SP 1- Steve Carlton 77
SP 2- Hal Newhouser 45
SP 3- Curt Schilling 87
SP 4-
SP 5-
LH- Randy Myers 3
LH- Sam McDowell 2
RH-
RH-
CL- Dennis Eckersley 67

BENCH- Isao Harimoto 1


Adding Griffey and 2 very good starters is nice, Berra and Clemens would have been nicer.

[Vince]

I would like to re-iterate that I hate you. Hate. HATE.

123 over my damn 121...bastard.

I like your team so far though

[ISiddiqui]

Ouch... I only got:

Sparky Anderson - Manager
Ken Boyer - 3B

Instead of bidding the farm on one person, I spread out my points among Lefty Grove, Reggie Jackson, Yogi Berra, and Juan Marichal and missed out on all of them .

[Coffee Warlord]

Here's what we're looking at.

Welp, point number 1 is we need a friggen shortstop, after losing out on both of our choices. (Grrr.) Other than that though, I like our position players. Definatly a throwback team here, with a cast of epic sluggers down the middle. Speed at the top in Carey, and who better to keep team cohesion than the man himself, Yogi Berra?
I've got some options in the bench.

Pitching...eh. It's certainly not bad. Not the greatest rotation you're gonna see, but we've got a collection of talented veterans, and 1 young god in my man Prior. Relief pitching, as I said, was damned hard to sort through. We've got a top notch closer, and a collection of guys who have for the most part got the job done. Fair enough.

Starting Lineup
---------------
1) CF - Carey, Max (15)
2) RF - DiMaggio, Joe (110)
3) 3B - Robinson, Brooks (67)
4) 1B - Foxx, Jimmie (105)
5) LF - Maris, Roger (65)
6) C - Berra, Yogi (110)
7) 2B - Sandberg, Ryne (25)
8) SS -

Bench
-----
C - Kendall, Jason (16)
1B - Grace, Mark (11)
2B -
3B - Santo, Ron (21)
SS -
OF - Winfield, Dave (12)
OF - Lofton, Kenny (1)

Starting Rotation
-----------------
1) Dean, Dizzy (96)
2) Niekro, Phil (18)
3) Gomez, Lefty (72)
4)
5) Prior, Mark (36)

Bullpen
-------
LR - Lieber, Jon (1)
MR - Jones, Doug (14)
SU - Foulke, Keith (5)
SU - Isringhausen, Jason (14)
CL - Nen, Robb (27)

Manager
-------
Weaver, Earl (5)

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Vince

I would like to re-iterate that I hate you. Hate. HATE.

123 over my damn 121...bastard.

I like your team so far though

Eh, I have too many holes to fill, Fielder and Coleman were supposed to be 1 purpose bench guys so unless I can magicaly pull a couple of HOFers out of thin air im in trouble. That being said, if we do allow trades before voteing starts, you can have Griffey.....for a price.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

That being said, if we do allow trades before voteing starts, you can have Griffey.....for a price.

It begins...

[Comey]

From this round...

Clarkson, John - 1

Crawford, Sam - 30

Daulton, Darren - 11

Freehan, Bill - 1

Grich, Bobby - 45

Grimes, Burleigh - 23

Henke, Tom - 1

Jennings, Hughie - 22

Mazeroski, Bill - 20

Rusie, Amos - 28

Add this to my old team...here goes

C Bill Freehan
C Darren Daulton (he's my favorite player ever)
1B
2B Bill Mazerowski
3B
SS Honus Wagner
IF Hughie Jennings
IF Bobby Grich
OF Joe Jackson
OF Hank Aaron
OF Ed Delahanty
OF Sam Crawford
SP: Orval Overall
SP: Eddie Plank
SP: Joe Wood
SP: Kid Nichols
SP: John Clarkson
SP: Burleigh Grimes
SP: Amos Rusie
RP: Tom Henke

I think my pitching staff matches up with anyone...my reliever is a bit weak, but I may not need him. My outfield is *very* solid, with four HoFers (well, Joe Jackson would be)...and my infield has pretty good defense, so far. Honus Wagner is arguably the finest player ever. I do need some good 1B/3B though...so, let's hear it for Von Hayes and Howard Johnson!

[Maple Leafs]

Comey, I think I have Henke...

[Booj]

Alou, Felipe - 1
Fernandez, Tony - 1
Herman, Billy - 17
Kingman, Dave - 15
Mattingly, Don - 25
Tettleton, Mickey - 1
Ventura, Robin - 5
Williams, Bernie - 1
Williams, Billy - 45

TOTAL USED: 805 POINTS
TO GO: 195 POINTS, 4 Players.
======

Happy with some of the guys I got. I nabbed a good 1B, 2B, 3B and LF as well as a manager. All came at pretty cheap too.

[sooner333]

Second Round acquisitions:

C- Benito Santiago (11)
C- Vern Stephens (21)
1b-Orlando Cepeda (52)
ss- Luke Appling (47)
of- Brian Giles (17)
of- Ichiro Suzuki (79)
of- Dave Parker (17)
p- Juan Marichal (107)
p- Early Wynn (93)
p- Kevin Brown (13)
p- Ugueth Urbina (12)
p- Bobby Thigpen (3)
p- Dontrelle Willis (1)
mgr- Connie Mack (12)

this adds to
3b- Arlie Latham (1)
of- Barry Bonds (200)
1b- Mark McGwire (1)
of- Ty Cobb (65)

I have 260 more points to spend on 8 players.

[Comey]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Comey, I think I have Henke...

Well holy crap. That escaped me from Round 1...he never even came up.

Oh well.

[Honolulu Blue]

I got forked in my picks, but I did pick up three key guys - my staff ace (Lefty Grove), my closer (Kent Tekulve), and the best SS no one has heard of (George Davis).

I'm still willing to put my starting lineup against anyone:

c Ted Simmons
1b/3b Darrell Evans
2b Joe Morgan
ss George Davis
3b Mike Schmidt
of Bobby Bonds
of Eric Davis
of Kirk Gibson
cf Richie Ashburn
rf Frank Robinson
2b Lou Whitaker

The pitching staff is still in flux, but I'm sure I can pick up some suitable arms. I have lots of points:

sp Lefty Grove
sp Gaylord Perry
sp Bert Blylven
rp Kent Tekulve

[Bearcat729]

I think Comey bid on John Clarkson who I won in round 1 as well

[Ramzavail]

Originally Posted by Honolulu Blue

and the best SS no one has heard of (George Davis).

I am sorry, I will have to disagree.

I have heard of Geroge Davis - but Cecil Travis is the best SS nobody has ever heard of.

The war completely robbed this guy of a HOF bid.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/travice01.shtml

[ISiddiqui]

My team:

Manager - Sparky Anderson - 1

Will Clark (1B) - 10
Gehringer, Charlie (2B) - 60
George Brett (3B) - 80
Cronin, Joe (SS) - 30
Roberto Clemente (RF) - 60
Mantle, Mickey (CF) - 150
Minoso, Minnie (LF) - 20
Seaver, Tom (P) - 100
Palmer, Jim (P) - 30
Wilhelm, Hoyt (P) - 20

Luis Aparicio (SS) - 10
Ken Boyer (3B) - 10

Total = 581 (419 points left)

12 players picked and a manager, 13 to go.

[oykib]

I picked up:

RHP "Bullet Joe" Rogan
RHP "Smokey" Joe Williams
LHP Ron Guidry
3B/OF Chipper Jones

That makes my current team:

Starters

C Josh Gibson
1B Eddie Murray
2B Barry Larkin
3B Shigeo Nagashima
SS John Henry "Pop" Lloyd
LF Tim Raines
CF Oscar Charleston
RF Vladimir Guerrero

Rotation

1-RHP Robin Roberts
2-LHP Masaichi Kaneda
3-RHP "Smokey" Joe Williams
4-RHP Dazzy Vance

Bench

2B Max Bishop
3B/OF Chipper Jones

Bullpen

RHP Bulllet Rogan
LHP Ron Guidry

Manager

Billy Southworth

[TLK]

MGR- Casey Stengel	104

C- Ernie Lombardi	21
1B- Willie Stargell	42
2B- Frankie Frisch	4
3B- Eddie Matthews105
SS- Robin Yount	64
OF- Al Kaline	46
OF- Mel Ott	63
OF- Tommy McCarthy1

1B-3B Tony Perez	36
3B-SS Pie Traynor	30
OF- Dale Murphy	17

SP- Don Drysdale	87
SP- Jim Bunning	37
SP- Carl Hubbell	38
SP- Don Sutton	45
P- Luis Tiant	6
RP- Willie Hernandez3
RP- Rick Aguilera	6

[Chief Rum]

I got some key guys in the first round, but by and large I missed out on a lot of players. I only had four guys overall after the first round. While the pickings were slimmer this time around, I think I took quite a step forward, landing Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, Reggie Jackson, and Harmon Killebrew. Three of the top power hitters of all time (with Sosa's pedigree growing), and the premier power pitcher of the past two decades. I'm still stunned he (or any of these guys) were available in the second round.

Here's who I got in the second round:

SP Roger Clemens
OF Harry Heilmann
OF Reggie Jackson
SP Tommy John
1B Harmon Killebrew
SP Jack Morris
C Thurman Munson
3B Graig Nettles
OF Lefty O'Doul
RF Sammy Sosa

That is added to:

C Roy Campanella
2B Eddie Collins
SS Ernie Banks
SP Bob Feller

So my lineup looks like this at the moment:

Manager:

I went for McGraw in the first round and missed out on him. I decided just to save my points here until later. I'm glad I did. I think I can still pick up a pretty good manager in the late going, at least not too far off the top guys anyway.

SP: Bob Feller
SP: Roger Clemens
SP: Tommy John
SP: Jack Morris
SP:

I thought after the first round, I was a goner with the rotation, but I think I recovered quite well. Feller and Clemens form one of the most powerful one-two duos around, and John and Morris are the kind of consistent long term guys that can really fill out a rotation. I need much more depth here.

RP:
RP:
RP:

My pen needs a lot of work, but it isn't for lack of trying. I have failed to get Eck, Fingers, Smoltz, Reardon, Franco, and even my guy Percy (who went for an astounding 112 points, sheesh). I'll get these spots filled. It's just going to take a little more digging.

2B Eddie Collins
CF Lefty O'Doul
C Roy Campanella
RF Sammy Sosa
1B Harmon Killebrew
SS Ernie Banks
LF Reggie Jackson (he can make the transition)
3B Graig Nettles

I really like how I filled out my lineup, although, just like everyone else, I am sure, it's the guys I miss out on that get me up in a bunch. For instance, in the first round, I narrowed my first base choice down to Foxx and Gehrig. I wanted Gehrig, but I went for Foxx, because I figured everyone would go for the Iron Man. I threw 100 on Foxx, and just a couple on Gehrig. Well, as it turns out, I overestimated this bunch, and Gehrig got a top offer of 40 from TroyF. That's just absolutely shocking. I was outbid for Foxx, of course.

I think Killebrew is an awfully nice replacement, though. That Campanella to Jackson line is a Murderer's Row in a big way, with some 2200-2500 homeruns among them. Collins, one of the top hitters and basestealers of the early age, and Lefty O'Doul, the #4 alltime average hitter should do fine to set up the big bats.

Bench

C Thurman Munson
OF Harry Heilmann

My bench is weak right, but that's what you expect when you only get four guys in the first round. I'm looking forward to finding other darkhorse candidates to fill it.

Total points left: 122 (for 11 players and a manager)

Chief Rum

[Vince]

Congrats on Killebrew...I really wanted him in the second round. Tommy John and Jack Morris are also great pickups. I didn't want to get into a war for Clemens, because I think that Nichols and Grove were better...but he's also a great pick. I like your team so far, Chief.

[Vince]

Dola - So I guess TroyF is out? And he had such a steal with Gehrig for 40...

And Comey, I think I have Kid Nichols.

[BishopMVP]

TroyF was on yesterday but never submitted any bid or gave me any indication he was working on it. If he wants to submit a bid for Round 3, that would be great. If not, he's out. atz840 had to move all his things back out to college over the last couple days, but he should be back for Round 3.

[Honolulu Blue]

Bishop:

I have two questions about the auction:

1) Now that Chubby is out, can we re-bid on his players in this round? Or are they permanently out of commission?

2) I notice that one person has Joe Torre, the manager; and another has Joe Torre, the player. Are we allowed to split people like that?

[BishopMVP]

1) They're permanently out. If I had thought about it before the auction, I might have put them up for re-bid, but I'm against changing the rules in the middle of the auction.

2) Yes, it is allowed. If you're going to do it though, just make a note of whether you want him as a player or manager. Otherwise, I'll assume whichever I remember him as. I would have put down Already Bid for Torre if it hadn't been pointed out he was wanted as a 3B.

[ntndeacon]

Well I got some nice additions to my team.
1B Jake Beckley 17
2B nellie Fox 21
SS Phil rizzuto 41
3B George Kell 14
LF Goose Goslin 11
CF Lloyd Waner 63
RF Wee Willie Keeler 39
P Tim Keefe 9
P Mickey Welch 5

This in addition to
2b Rod Carew 63
SS Rabbit Maranville 3
LF Ducky Medwick 6
RF Babe Ruth 274
P Catfish Hunter 1
manager Walter Alston 6
need 11 more players and have 427 to spend
My pitching staff needs bodies. But grabbing a couple of 300 game winners makes me happy. I wanted Grove and Berrra too. But I did get my starting CF in Waner my starting 3b in Kell and starting 1B in Beckley
My starting Lineup looks like
C nobody
1b Beckley
2b Carew
3B Kell
ss Rizzuto
LF Medwick
Cf Waner
Rf Ruth
Not too bad
the middle of the infield has 4 solid guys with Fox and Maranville sitting there too.

[oykib]

I thought it was one team per guy. I think a lot of people would have bid on torre and other guys if they knew about this rule ahead of time. It might have changed a lot of people's teams.

[BishopMVP]

From the official rules in the first thread - "No player-managers. Bids for managers and players are considered seperate, so you could have 1 person simultaneously playing for 1 team and managing another. If your manager has played in the majors, please note you want him as a manager."

I don't recall when exactly I edited that in, but it was well before Round 2 began, so Torre as a Third Baseman was still available.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by oykib

I thought it was one team per guy. I think a lot of people would have bid on torre and other guys if they knew about this rule ahead of time. It might have changed a lot of people's teams.

From the original rules: "Bids for managers and players are considered seperate, so you could have 1 person simultaneously playing for 1 team and managing another."

[oykib]

BTW, Bishop, What's the new division alignment look like (after the dropouts)?

[oykib]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

From the original rules: "Bids for managers and players are considered seperate, so you could have 1 person simultaneously playing for 1 team and managing another."

Must've missed that. Thanks.

[BishopMVP]

I don't know what the new divisions are now. I'm going to wait and see if TroyF/atz840 continue or not and if anyone else drops out. For the divisions that lose teams, I'll keep the rest intact and only balance out if one division drops down to 3 teams left.

[Suicane75]

Has this Auction/Draft hit the wall?

[ntndeacon]

i just turned my list in.

[Suicane75]

I didnt notice Bishs post up top, I didn't think we had set up round 3 yet, guess I better to work, heh.

[BishopMVP]

Yeah, sorry about that. Been busy moving into college last couple days. The official deadline will be Friday night @ 11:59 PM EST. I probably won't get around to posting it until early Saturday morning or that afternoon, but I'm not going to guarantee you get in if you don't turn them in by Friday night. Right now, I (think I) have bids from:

ISiddiqui
Honolulu Blue
Maple Leafs
ntndeacon
oykib
Coffee Warlord.

If any of these were questions or comments and not bids, I'll get around to reading them once I finish my list (sometime tomorrow.)

[ISiddiqui]

They're permanently out. If I had thought about it before the auction, I might have put them up for re-bid, but I'm against changing the rules in the middle of the auction.

I think this was the best decision. It would be totally unfair if the players were put back into the pool to be re-bid on.

[BishopMVP]

Bump and update:

The deadline will be extended to Saturday night @ 11:59 PM EST.

ISiddiqui
Honolulu Blue
Maple Leafs
ntndeacon
oykib
Coffee Warlord
TheLionKing
booj
Ramzavail

[oykib]

bump

[BishopMVP]

Will be up around 5 after I get back from classes. I'll post a new thread at that time.