Depth Chart Play Time

Bonegavel · 11-20-2003, 03:23 PM

I started a new game and am handling every aspect myself. In Exhibition game 3, I set the QB to a playing time of 3, hoping to give each QB a bit of time. Here is the box score (i'm including the other positions just for reference sake):

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Rushing                  Att    Yards  Avg    Long   TD  
28 Buckhalter            10     20     2.0    4      0  
22 Staley                6      12     2.0    11     0  
36 Westbrook             5      5      1.0    2      0  
48 Ritchie               4      10     2.5    4      0  
39 Kurtz                 1      0      0.0    0      0  
  
Passing                  Att    Comp   Yards  Yd/Att Long   TD     Int    Sckd  
5 McNabb                 28     20     214    7.6    51     1      0      2  
  
Receiving                Catch  Yards  Avg    YAC    Long   TD  
80 Thrash                6      62     10.3   16     17     0  
87 Pinkston              5      39     7.8    5      20     1  
48 Ritchie               3      16     5.3    7      6      0  
22 Staley                2      59     29.5   51     51     0  
88 Bartrum               1      4      4.0    0      4      0  
28 Buckhalter            1      10     10.0   0      10     0  
85 Morey                 1      16     16.0   3      16     0  
82 Smith                 1      8      8.0    0      8      0

Do I just not understand what playing time means?

This brings me to a further question of what is Jim's intention for the Exhibition games? Seems like it is simply to play roulette with player injuries and not a device to give experience or view potential.

Jim, does the engine see Exhibition games differently than regular season games? Doesn't appear so, as it seems to want to keep the starters in, no matter what playing time I give it.

sabotai · 11-20-2003, 03:28 PM

The playing time combo does not effect QB playing time. It never has. It does for all of the other positions I have seen.

As for preseason games, it's strange. I'll have a few games where the time is split for the QB's, but then I'll have some others where just 1 QB played.

Easy Mac · 11-20-2003, 03:30 PM

set it to 1

Huckleberry · 11-20-2003, 03:32 PM

Okay, when calling my own plays I can substitute offensive skill position players whenever I want by selecting "view" play.

But I can't substitute defensive players. Really, that's my only complaint so far. If I'm calling plays I want to be able to send in the entire 2nd team with a single button.

Easy Mac · 11-20-2003, 03:33 PM

dola, here are my stats when I set it to 1:

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2003 Game 1 - Starter:  Peete
 Passing		Att	Comp	Yards	Yd/Att	Long	TD	Int	Sckd
   17 Delhomme		20	11	72	3.6	17	0	2	0
   9 Peete		8	6	106	13.2	39	0	0	0

Game 2 - Starter:  Delhomme
   Passing		Att	Comp	Yards	Yd/Att	Long	TD	Int	Sckd
   17 Delhomme		23	11	102	4.4	21	0	1	3
   16 Weinke		7	3	82	11.7	74	2	0	1

Game 3 - Starter Weinke
  Passing		Att	Comp	Yards	Yd/Att	Long	TD	Int	Sckd
   9 Peete		24	12	133	5.5	23	1	0	0
   16 Weinke		7	3	62	8.8	60	1	2	1

Game 4 - Starter:  Peete
   Passing		Att	Comp	Yards	Yd/Att	Long	TD	Int	Sckd
   17 Delhomme		27	13	164	6.0	60	2	1	1
   9 Peete		13	7	86	6.6	32	0	2	0

sabotai · 11-20-2003, 03:37 PM

Easy, preseason or regular season?

yabanci · 11-20-2003, 03:38 PM

The strange thing is, sometimes I see quarterbacks play all preseason while others split time, as you would expect. I remember Jim trying to get the balance right in one of the patches for FOF4, I think, though I recall there being little improvement. Just from looking at box scores, it seemed to me that if two quarterbacks had high endurance they would share time in exhibition, but where one quarterback was highly rated and the backup was rated very low, the highly rated quarterback would get all the preseason snaps. But I never studied it enough to do anything but speculate.

Also, I read somewhere here recently that lowering your starters' playing time didn't mean they would share more playing time, they would just be pulled more quickly for fatigue or injury (but I don't recall seeing any support for this theory). In any event, this is one of the things people have complained about year after year, so I'd be intersted to see your questions answered by someone who knows for sure.

Easy Mac · 11-20-2003, 03:40 PM

preseason

Maple Leafs · 11-20-2003, 03:42 PM

In the regular season, does playing time for a QB effect anything at all? For example, if I set it to '1', is the QB more likely to get yanked due to poor play?

Easy Mac · 11-20-2003, 03:44 PM

2004 Preseason

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Game 1 - Starter:  Battle
  Passing		Att	Comp	Yards	Yd/Att	Long	TD	Int	Sckd
   1 Battle		18	7	83	4.6	29	0	0	2
   6 Middleton		8	6	64	8.0	24	0	1	0
   15 Chilton		8	3	28	3.5	11	0	0	0

Game 2 - Starter:  Chilton
   Passing		Att	Comp	Yards	Yd/Att	Long	TD	Int	Sckd
   6 Middleton		16	4	29	1.8	11	0	4	1
   15 Chilton		14	8	119	8.5	30	1	0	2

Game 3 - Starter:  Middleton
   Passing		Att	Comp	Yards	Yd/Att	Long	TD	Int	Sckd
   6 Middleton		29	15	162	5.5	25	0	2	0
   1 Battle		7	3	33	4.7	21	0	0	0

Game 4 - Starter:  Battle 
I called plays and never subbed out)

Bonegavel · 11-20-2003, 03:44 PM

Regular season Game 2, QB set to 1, and Johnson (8) is my punter:

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Passing		Att	Comp	Yards	Yd/Att	Long	TD	Int	Sckd
   5 McNabb	38	29	226	5.9	36	1	1	4
   8 Johnson	1	1	5	5.0	5	0	0	0

Easy Mac · 11-20-2003, 03:44 PM

not in regular season

Maple Leafs · 11-20-2003, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bonegavel
Regular season Game 2, QB set to 1, and Johnson (8) is my punter:

But that's just a fake punt, yes?

Bonegavel · 11-20-2003, 03:53 PM

So, the QB Play Time setting in the depth chart is only effective during Preseason. Makes sense, but it would be nice to be able to use that as a Macro for substituting a sucky QB suring the regular season.

IOW, if you set it to 8, there is an 80% chance the coach will sub the second string QB at some point during the game to replace the guy that is stinking up the joint. Or something along those lines.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to play-call the game to get that.

Bonegavel · 11-20-2003, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maple Leafs
But that's just a fake punt, yes?

Actually:

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They fake the field goal.  
4-05-NED32 (05:58)   PHI 8 Johnson pass completed to 48 Ritchie for 5 yards.  
Tackled by NED 26 Wilson, assisted by NED 24 Law.  
--

Sloan · 11-20-2003, 03:59 PM

I usually just put my starting QB as #3 on the depth chart, and my #3 as #1. I usually get a pretty good balance then. I have seen one occasion where my usual starter played the entire game even though he was listed #3.

Maple Leafs · 11-20-2003, 04:00 PM

By the way, on the subject of fake FGs, isn't it nice to see the holder doing the throwing now instead of the kicker?

FrogMan · 11-20-2003, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maple Leafs
By the way, on the subject of fake FGs, isn't it nice to see the holder doing the throwing now instead of the kicker?

This season, in the NFL, I don't remember who, but I saw a kicker, lined up for a field goal, take a direct snap and try a pooch punt. He could have tried a pass if he had wanted to. This to say that having the kicker try a pass isn't so farfetched...

FM

Bonegavel · 11-20-2003, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maple Leafs
By the way, on the subject of fake FGs, isn't it nice to see the holder doing the throwing now instead of the kicker?

yes, that change is good.

11-20-2003, 03:32 PM	#4
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	Okay, when calling my own plays I can substitute offensive skill position players whenever I want by selecting "view" play. But I can't substitute defensive players. Really, that's my only complaint so far. If I'm calling plays I want to be able to send in the entire 2nd team with a single button. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

11-20-2003, 03:44 PM	#11
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	Regular season Game 2, QB set to 1, and Johnson (8) is my punter: Code: Passing Att Comp Yards Yd/Att Long TD Int Sckd 5 McNabb 38 29 226 5.9 36 1 1 4 8 Johnson 1 1 5 5.0 5 0 0 0 __________________ Last edited by Bonegavel : 11-20-2003 at 03:49 PM.

11-20-2003, 03:53 PM	#14
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	So, the QB Play Time setting in the depth chart is only effective during Preseason. Makes sense, but it would be nice to be able to use that as a Macro for substituting a sucky QB suring the regular season. IOW, if you set it to 8, there is an 80% chance the coach will sub the second string QB at some point during the game to replace the guy that is stinking up the joint. Or something along those lines. Oh well, I guess I'll have to play-call the game to get that. __________________

11-20-2003, 03:28 PM	#2
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	The playing time combo does not effect QB playing time. It never has. It does for all of the other positions I have seen. As for preseason games, it's strange. I'll have a few games where the time is split for the QB's, but then I'll have some others where just 1 QB played.

11-20-2003, 03:30 PM	#3
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	set it to 1

11-20-2003, 03:37 PM	#6
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Easy, preseason or regular season?

11-20-2003, 03:38 PM	#7
yabanci College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2003	The strange thing is, sometimes I see quarterbacks play all preseason while others split time, as you would expect. I remember Jim trying to get the balance right in one of the patches for FOF4, I think, though I recall there being little improvement. Just from looking at box scores, it seemed to me that if two quarterbacks had high endurance they would share time in exhibition, but where one quarterback was highly rated and the backup was rated very low, the highly rated quarterback would get all the preseason snaps. But I never studied it enough to do anything but speculate. Also, I read somewhere here recently that lowering your starters' playing time didn't mean they would share more playing time, they would just be pulled more quickly for fatigue or injury (but I don't recall seeing any support for this theory). In any event, this is one of the things people have complained about year after year, so I'd be intersted to see your questions answered by someone who knows for sure.

11-20-2003, 03:40 PM	#8
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	preseason

11-20-2003, 03:42 PM	#9
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	In the regular season, does playing time for a QB effect anything at all? For example, if I set it to '1', is the QB more likely to get yanked due to poor play?

11-20-2003, 03:59 PM	#16
Sloan High School JV Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Michigan	I usually just put my starting QB as #3 on the depth chart, and my #3 as #1. I usually get a pretty good balance then. I have seen one occasion where my usual starter played the entire game even though he was listed #3.

11-20-2003, 04:00 PM	#17
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	By the way, on the subject of fake FGs, isn't it nice to see the holder doing the throwing now instead of the kicker?

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