The All-Whiner NFL Team

WSUCougar · 11-19-2003, 04:43 PM

A preliminary list...chime in with your nominations.

QB Kordell Stewart, Jeff George
RB Corey Dillon, Ricky Watters
WR Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Keshawn Johnson (there are plenty of others)
TE Jeremy Shockey
T: Kyle Turley
G:
C:
P: Todd Sauerbrun
K: Mike Vanderjagt

DL: Warren Sapp
LB: Bryan Cox
CB: Charles Woodson
S:
Coach: Brian Billick

Coffee Warlord · 11-19-2003, 04:44 PM

LB: Bryan Cox

korme · 11-19-2003, 04:46 PM

So.. anyone who speaks up?

WSUCougar · 11-19-2003, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Shorty3281
So.. anyone who speaks up?

No...whines. Are you saying someone is listed undeservedly? Are do you condone whining?

Darkiller · 11-19-2003, 04:48 PM

I don't think Jeff George is in the league this year.

WSUCougar · 11-19-2003, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Darkiller
I don't think Jeff George is in the league this year.

Neither is Ricky Watters...but they get the Veterans Committee vote.

clintl · 11-19-2003, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by WSUCougar
A preliminary list...chime in with your nominations.

CB: Rod Woodson

Do you mean Charles Woodson? I can't remember hearing Rod Woodson say anything that resembled whining, and I live in an area where the Raiders are covered extensively.

WSUCougar · 11-19-2003, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by clintl
Do you mean Charles Woodson? I can't remember hearing Rod Woodson say anything that resembled whining, and I live in an area where the Raiders are covered extensively.

Yup. My bad. I edited it.

SegRat · 11-19-2003, 04:58 PM

Chris Hovan

SegRat · 11-19-2003, 04:59 PM

Ray Lewis

clintl · 11-19-2003, 05:18 PM

Owner: Al Davis

TroyF · 11-19-2003, 05:18 PM

I don't think Vanderjagt should be on the list. He said something that nearly everyone was thinking. Had it been Marvin Harrison who would have made that statement, the media would have agree with Harrison and said it was about time someone stood up to Manning.

V's biggest problem is the position he plays, I don't consider him a whiner.

TroyF

Kodos · 11-19-2003, 05:34 PM

Has anybody else noticed that Manning seems to be playing with more passion this season?

Dutch · 11-19-2003, 05:40 PM

And next we'll have "The NFL shut up and color" team featuring....everyone else!

Craptacular · 11-19-2003, 08:24 PM

Cris Carter got a waiver of the 5-year waiting period and was immediately inducted into the whiners' Hall of Fame.

sabotai · 11-19-2003, 08:36 PM

What exactly has Jeremy Shockey "whined" about?

TroyF · 11-19-2003, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by Kodos
Has anybody else noticed that Manning seems to be playing with more passion this season?

Yes. And I think that "idiot" kicker had more to do with it than Manning or Dungy would ever like to admit.

TroyF

Daimyo · 11-20-2003, 12:10 AM

Could be that Manning is just now in his 6th season and finally is surrounded by a decent defense and quality receivers beyong Harrison and Pollard. If you look at his stats from 1999 and 2000 (in just his 2nd and 3rd seasons) this year isn't really much of a leap at all. In the two years inbetween the team gutted the heart of its offensive line, lost the best running back in the NFL to injury, let its receiving corp atrophy to basically one guy, and had a defense that forced the team to score 30+ points to just to have a chance to win!

So yeah.. I guess Vandy's comments are one possible explanation...

Daimyo · 11-20-2003, 12:12 AM

DOLA, I don't think Vanderjagt is a whiner at all. Just an emotional guy who doesn't know his place. I think to be a whiner your comments need to be motivated at least a little by greed or selfishness.

TroyF · 11-20-2003, 01:56 AM

Daimyo,

A better defense? For all the hype about the Colts improved defense, it is actually worse than last years version. Last year the Colts finished 8th in yards per game and 7th in points allowed per game. This year, they fall 17th and 15th in those two respective marks.

For all the hype that James gets this year for returning to form, the Colts are averaging 3 yards a game less rushing than last year.

Still, I digress. Vanderjagt's comments were not directed at Peyton Manning the statistical entity. Kodos, likewise didn't comment on Peyton and his raw "numbers". If that's what you got out of V's comments (and I think the media is with you for what it's worth), you read them 100% incorrectly.

He was talking about Peyton becoming more of a leader on the field. Not just shrugging his shoulders when the Colts lost. Taking it personal, getting pissed and not being afraid to show the rest of the team that side of him. Watching any Colt game this year, you can see Peyton is doing just that. He's emotional. When things start going south, he doesn't bury himself into his shell.

This isn't just mine or Kodo's opinion. His teammates have said he's been more of a vocal leader this year. Columnists in Indy have been writing about it sinse training camp. He's not only doing his job this year, he's making other people accountable for their actions on the field.

It all started when he bashed V by calling him an idiot, drunk kicker. Nobody had ever seen that side of Manning before. He was pissed and he let it out. He's started to do that more frequently now. If you think that "ididot" kickers comments didn't have a little something to do with that, I think you are wrong.

TroyF

WSUCougar · 11-20-2003, 09:00 AM

I guess I should have better worded the intent of this team. I'm thinking of guys that are distractions to their team. How about the All "Pop-Off Your Mouth When You Should Shut-up and Play" Team?

I agree that Vanderjagt said what needed to be said, but he did so (IMO) in an inappropriate forum and embarassed his team. Productive in the long run? Sure, you can argue that. Is it what you want to see from a player on your team? Behind closed doors - absolutely. Otherwise, I dunno.

Shockey is already legendary for his mouth and talking without thinking. Personally, I am not as down on him as a lot of people are, but he still can be a big distraction to his team.

Cris Carter is next in line at the crowded WR slot. Andre Rison might be another candidate.

Ray Lewis had off-the-field troubles, but I wouldn't qualify him as a whiner.

Did I miss something about Chris Hovan?

Pacersfan46 · 11-20-2003, 09:18 AM

As a Colts fan who has watched every game for the last 8 years I think I have a very good view of this Vandy vs Peyton issue.

It's clear to me, that Vandy's comments have made Peyton realize something. That being a team leader also means you can help shape the demeanor of the entire team through your own actions.

Watching Peyton this year has had a new feel to it. It's strange, but he's into it more than ever. I believe he always felt this way, but realized he needs to be more outward about it, because the team needs to see that.

Lastly, I love Mike Vanderjagt. He basically made Hunter Smith spike the ball when he got the fake FG touchdown. Vanderjagt is the most emotional, involved kicker I've ever seen .. and I love it. I believe when you're the most accurate kicker the league has ever seen ... you may earn a right or two that other kickers don't. Though he may have stretched those rights out a little bit.

Abe Sargent · 11-20-2003, 10:19 AM

Romo?

Deion Sanders?

Cris Carter?

Brian Billick as coach?

Simeon Rice (who fired his agent when the agent said that he would be unable to get Rice a 75 mill 3 year contract, because Rice thinks he's that valuable)

David Boston?

Heck, if he doesn't play because he's a little hurt, Vick.

Ryan Leaf

-Anxiety

Darkiller · 11-20-2003, 10:43 AM

I just read that DT Chris Hovan, for all the hype surrounding the guy, only has 1 sack and 13 tackles through 10 games...

Kodos · 11-20-2003, 10:51 AM

Yeah, I was referring only to his demeanor. You see a little more Marinoish emotion from Manning these days, and I like it.

11-19-2003, 04:48 PM	#5
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11-19-2003, 04:58 PM	#9
SegRat High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Oshkosh, WI	Chris Hovan __________________ USFL: Charlotte Fightn' Squirrels

11-19-2003, 04:59 PM	#10
SegRat High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Oshkosh, WI	Ray Lewis __________________ USFL: Charlotte Fightn' Squirrels

11-20-2003, 09:00 AM	#21
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	I guess I should have better worded the intent of this team. I'm thinking of guys that are distractions to their team. How about the All "Pop-Off Your Mouth When You Should Shut-up and Play" Team? I agree that Vanderjagt said what needed to be said, but he did so (IMO) in an inappropriate forum and embarassed his team. Productive in the long run? Sure, you can argue that. Is it what you want to see from a player on your team? Behind closed doors - absolutely. Otherwise, I dunno. Shockey is already legendary for his mouth and talking without thinking. Personally, I am not as down on him as a lot of people are, but he still can be a big distraction to his team. Cris Carter is next in line at the crowded WR slot. Andre Rison might be another candidate. Ray Lewis had off-the-field troubles, but I wouldn't qualify him as a whiner. Did I miss something about Chris Hovan? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

11-20-2003, 09:18 AM	#22
Pacersfan46 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis	As a Colts fan who has watched every game for the last 8 years I think I have a very good view of this Vandy vs Peyton issue. It's clear to me, that Vandy's comments have made Peyton realize something. That being a team leader also means you can help shape the demeanor of the entire team through your own actions. Watching Peyton this year has had a new feel to it. It's strange, but he's into it more than ever. I believe he always felt this way, but realized he needs to be more outward about it, because the team needs to see that. Lastly, I love Mike Vanderjagt. He basically made Hunter Smith spike the ball when he got the fake FG touchdown. Vanderjagt is the most emotional, involved kicker I've ever seen .. and I love it. I believe when you're the most accurate kicker the league has ever seen ... you may earn a right or two that other kickers don't. Though he may have stretched those rights out a little bit. Last edited by Pacersfan46 : 11-20-2003 at 11:41 AM.

11-19-2003, 04:44 PM	#2
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	LB: Bryan Cox

11-19-2003, 04:46 PM	#3
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	So.. anyone who speaks up?

11-19-2003, 05:18 PM	#11
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	Owner: Al Davis

11-19-2003, 05:18 PM	#12
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I don't think Vanderjagt should be on the list. He said something that nearly everyone was thinking. Had it been Marvin Harrison who would have made that statement, the media would have agree with Harrison and said it was about time someone stood up to Manning. V's biggest problem is the position he plays, I don't consider him a whiner. TroyF

11-19-2003, 05:34 PM	#13
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Has anybody else noticed that Manning seems to be playing with more passion this season?

11-19-2003, 05:40 PM	#14
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	And next we'll have "The NFL shut up and color" team featuring....everyone else!

11-19-2003, 08:24 PM	#15
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	Cris Carter got a waiver of the 5-year waiting period and was immediately inducted into the whiners' Hall of Fame.

11-19-2003, 08:36 PM	#16
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	What exactly has Jeremy Shockey "whined" about?

11-20-2003, 12:10 AM	#18
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	Could be that Manning is just now in his 6th season and finally is surrounded by a decent defense and quality receivers beyong Harrison and Pollard. If you look at his stats from 1999 and 2000 (in just his 2nd and 3rd seasons) this year isn't really much of a leap at all. In the two years inbetween the team gutted the heart of its offensive line, lost the best running back in the NFL to injury, let its receiving corp atrophy to basically one guy, and had a defense that forced the team to score 30+ points to just to have a chance to win! So yeah.. I guess Vandy's comments are one possible explanation...

11-20-2003, 12:12 AM	#19
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	DOLA, I don't think Vanderjagt is a whiner at all. Just an emotional guy who doesn't know his place. I think to be a whiner your comments need to be motivated at least a little by greed or selfishness.

11-20-2003, 01:56 AM	#20
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Daimyo, A better defense? For all the hype about the Colts improved defense, it is actually worse than last years version. Last year the Colts finished 8th in yards per game and 7th in points allowed per game. This year, they fall 17th and 15th in those two respective marks. For all the hype that James gets this year for returning to form, the Colts are averaging 3 yards a game less rushing than last year. Still, I digress. Vanderjagt's comments were not directed at Peyton Manning the statistical entity. Kodos, likewise didn't comment on Peyton and his raw "numbers". If that's what you got out of V's comments (and I think the media is with you for what it's worth), you read them 100% incorrectly. He was talking about Peyton becoming more of a leader on the field. Not just shrugging his shoulders when the Colts lost. Taking it personal, getting pissed and not being afraid to show the rest of the team that side of him. Watching any Colt game this year, you can see Peyton is doing just that. He's emotional. When things start going south, he doesn't bury himself into his shell. This isn't just mine or Kodo's opinion. His teammates have said he's been more of a vocal leader this year. Columnists in Indy have been writing about it sinse training camp. He's not only doing his job this year, he's making other people accountable for their actions on the field. It all started when he bashed V by calling him an idiot, drunk kicker. Nobody had ever seen that side of Manning before. He was pissed and he let it out. He's started to do that more frequently now. If you think that "ididot" kickers comments didn't have a little something to do with that, I think you are wrong. TroyF

11-20-2003, 10:19 AM	#23
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Romo? Deion Sanders? Cris Carter? Brian Billick as coach? Simeon Rice (who fired his agent when the agent said that he would be unable to get Rice a 75 mill 3 year contract, because Rice thinks he's that valuable) David Boston? Heck, if he doesn't play because he's a little hurt, Vick. Ryan Leaf -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

11-20-2003, 10:43 AM	#24
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	I just read that DT Chris Hovan, for all the hype surrounding the guy, only has 1 sack and 13 tackles through 10 games... __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

11-20-2003, 10:51 AM	#25
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Yeah, I was referring only to his demeanor. You see a little more Marinoish emotion from Manning these days, and I like it.

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